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Help me find Hardwood Pegs
« on: May 10, 2015, 09:25:17 PM »
Do any of you folks out there have personal recommendations for a source for hardwood timber pegs?  My LT40 Super will make a lot of things, but NOT these!
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Re: Help me find Hardwood Pegs
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2015, 10:58:04 PM »
My friend made a jig and cut our walnut pegs on his table saw.    I also bought some oak pegs from somewhere .... Maybe it will come to me.

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Re: Help me find Hardwood Pegs
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2015, 11:26:14 PM »
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Re: Help me find Hardwood Pegs
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2015, 05:29:26 AM »
Do a search here on how to make a jig to cut them on a table saw. If you want 1" pegs, mill some 1" lumber from the butt end of a log. Just watch the grain of the wood as you mill. Then rip the lumber on a table saw. Watch the grain there too! If you search, you will find the post with pictures of the table saw jig.

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Re: Help me find Hardwood Pegs
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2015, 07:17:22 AM »
Try Northcott  Wood Turning, Walpole, NH

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« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2015, 09:19:46 AM »
Try Northcott  Wood Turning, Walpole, NH

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Re: Help me find Hardwood Pegs
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2015, 07:36:18 AM »
Chunk of wood, froe and mallet, and a drawknife.

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Re: Help me find Hardwood Pegs
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2015, 03:13:58 PM »
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Re: Help me find Hardwood Pegs
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2015, 03:31:38 PM »
Parker, do you want to buy pegs or make your own?  The sources offered above to buy would work.  If you want to make them, it is not that hard and you can get good help here.  Let us know.
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« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2015, 11:59:50 PM »
would beech make good pegs??

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Re: Help me find Hardwood Pegs
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2015, 01:01:40 PM »
I would think that beech would work well, though I've never tried it. I usually use oak, though I have used Ash. Beech wouldn't have rot resistance, so I wouldn't use them outside.
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« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2015, 12:40:19 AM »

 I,de like to use oak but we don,t have enough trees to cut any on our property.ash I can get but I was wondering how it would work rot wise.i guess as good as beech..i bet locust would work great but there again I don,t have any on our land... how about ironwood?? we do have a bunch of that big enough for pegs..

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« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2015, 01:04:18 AM »
Alaska yellow cedar will be strong and will not decay.
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Re: Help me find Hardwood Pegs
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2015, 05:22:09 PM »
I wish I had a good source for Alaskan Yellow Cedar.
Beautiful wood with great rot resistance, but it's all several hundred miles Southeast of me.
I'll be taking my first Timber Framing class in a few weeks and conveniently I'm pretty skilled at wood turning and have a very well outfitted turning shed.
Looks like I'll be making pegs in the future.
It wouldn't surprise me if there are several places across America that fab these for sale to the many timber framers out there.
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« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2015, 05:27:15 PM »
Hey Parker!
I just realized that it was your post.
Maybe I can help you out with this.
Even in the big state of Alaska...it would seem it's a small world.
It would be an easy thing to take a straight grained rip from whatever flavor of wood and just start turning and cutting to length.
Do they need to be tapered or straight?
What diameter are you looking for?
What species of hardwood?
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« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2015, 10:41:10 AM »
My 2 cents I much prefer Hand riven pegs.  Any time you rip pegs on a table saw you run the risk of cross grain which is a problem when driven hard.  Riven pegs are by design with the grain.  Makeing pegs is not hard but there is a learning curve.   If you want me to make some pegs I can get, Cherry , Black Walnut, Hickery, Red Oak, Ash let me know.
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« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2015, 04:40:07 AM »
So, I'm curious now...what would the difference be in a riven and shaved peg and a riven and lightly turned peg.
At this point you're still looking at a peg that was split along the grain lines and then cut down to a taper regardless of which method is used.
Rive and spoke shave=cut grains at end taper.
Rive and wood turn=cut grains at end taper.
What could the difference possibly be?  We've split it along the grain and then cut through the grains at the end taper...am I missing something here?
As I see it, the only difference is that I could rive a longer piece and then turn 2 or 3 pegs from 1 piece and still have the same grain orientation.
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Re: Help me find Hardwood Pegs
« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2015, 05:05:05 AM »
I can't see an issue with turning the pegs from a riven blank. The grain is the same and you are basically trimming away everything that's not a peg. Whether that's trimmed off with a spokeshave or a chisel?

Also as long as you are careful with the grain orientation when you are sawing out blanks they should also be fine. There are various tables about how much the strength drops at various grain angles. One issue would be that the original board is usually sawn parallel with the pith, so you usually have some slope in the grain already. Enough to matter? Possibly not. If a design is that critical, it's probably not a good design. If something fails because it's only 95% the perfect strength, it shouldn't have been built that way to start with.

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Re: Help me find Hardwood Pegs
« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2015, 07:30:24 AM »
I went to riven pegs when I started drawboring my joinery. Drawboring asks the peg to deflect a bit without damage. A sawn peg will just not do this as well ,in my experience, even though I paid close attention to the grain.   
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« Reply #19 on: May 24, 2015, 06:53:31 AM »
Ianab, That's where I was coming from, if it's that critical then it needs a better design.  Thanks for weighing in on this.

S,Hyland,
Again I appreciate the honest assessment.  I agree with the added stress of a drawbored peg.  I may have my own opinions, but I'm learning the craft and I want them to be based on solid truths.
I can readily see the difference between sawn and riven pegs.  And I still see no tangible difference between riven and turned vs. riven and shaved.
What is your view of this?
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