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Anyone cutting cross ties on an LT35
« on: November 11, 2015, 05:33:41 PM »
   Is anybody cutting cross ties on an LT35 hydraulic mill? If so what do you consider a reasonable number to cut on a daily basis.

  A guy called me and wanted a few hardwood 2X4's and I happened to have a few ash logs my son brought up last week from his FIL place. I cut them yesterday and he picked up his order that afternoon now he wants me to cut a bunch (said several hundred) cross ties (7"X9"X8') for him and is willing to pay $10 each to have them cut. Less than my normal fee but he does not want to keep any of the side lumber so basically just 4 cuts on most logs. He'd provide logs, a helper and MHE and I just provide the mill and sawing services.

   I agreed to go look at his site this week and told him I'd think about it. He is about 10 miles from me. I know a bigger mill would be better suited to this size work but have any of you tried cutting large numbers of ties with similar mills?

   Any gottchas I need to be looking at in something like this? Any experience you have would be appreciated.
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Re: Anyone cutting cross ties on an LT35
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2015, 05:58:55 PM »
I see no gotcha's  other than heavy slabs at times, I would probably saw out some outside lumber just because,, getting them off the mill is the only task I see, other than handling after that.    four side slabs can go fast, so you could be looking at well inside five minutes a log for just the tie, it still seems like a bit of a waste, but whatever winds the clock,   hope it goes well for you both,
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Re: Anyone cutting cross ties on an LT35
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2015, 06:08:43 PM »
   Not saving the side lumber sure seems wasteful to me too but since I'm just providing sawing service not my issue unless I wanted to try to make a deal with the guy for the side lumber and try to resaw it and market the short hardwood lumber generated.

    Its the customer's logs but I was always led to believe a successful sawmill operation was supposed to market every thing but the woody smell.
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Re: Anyone cutting cross ties on an LT35
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2015, 06:08:56 PM »
I don't think an LT35 is ill equipped for such a job, give the girl credit, she can handle it, no problem... 5 minutes a tie? Sure, with decent logs, a decent environment, some help or support equipment... Won't leave any room for breaks, you'll be runnin'. Like you said, looking at the location, and log quality will be key. If you think you can do 7-8 per hour or better, and not kill yourself, deal in!!! Good luck, let us know how it progresses...
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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2015, 06:45:37 PM »
If a fellow can't saw four sides with help in 5 minutes, then something is wrong,  and I will add, I would save the slabs for firewood,  I just found an extra board per side to make sure the wane is off, it can be tricky going for it with just four cuts,  but I am pretty slow thinking, so whatever,  I have done the deed on quick ties, and it still is hard to do, and gets heavy at the same time,
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Re: Anyone cutting cross ties on an LT35
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2015, 07:20:04 PM »
Heavy quicker with age, that's for sure...5 minutes per tie, with help, key phrase, with help, or nice logs...without help or ugly logs, and one quickly finds one's self hussling hard, killing yourself, and doings things that will haunt you for weeks...I too, am a slow thinker, and often spend as much time looking at a cant as I do sawing it...too maximize its potential... At times, counterproductive... I have a simple, stupid procedure that I use on logs that are barely worth sawing out more than I want, a tie, a 6x6, or whatever... Whenever you don't want side lumber...I put the small end on the operator side, take my tape and mark the end of the log for the product I want, center and level the pith, and let her have it...with the occasional minor adjustment of an 1/8" or so...but it helps me, one of the thinkers, to move on quicker...
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Re: Anyone cutting cross ties on an LT35
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2015, 07:32:39 PM »
I don't know squat about what you can do with your LT35 ( cause I don't really know bandmills).
However I am pretty sure you could run 50 a day with a bit of help.
10 bucks a tie is 500 bucks isn't it.
The side lumber is gravy even if its firewood, that is good gravy here at this time of year.
I would have to look at the logs first and maybe look at the help.
Seems like a good job to me but I have made errors once or twice.
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Re: Anyone cutting cross ties on an LT35
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2015, 07:38:58 PM »
Your LT35 (with hydraulics) would do that just fine. Although you are working for basically just over what it costs to run the saw. Smaller logs, I'd make firewood, larger ones I'm to lazy to lift the slabs so I'd cut boards anyway. At that price I'd negotiate to keep whatever isn't turned into ties.
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Re: Anyone cutting cross ties on an LT35
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2015, 08:38:03 PM »
I'm obviously not doing something right.  I've been sawing full time for 16yrs now. I'm currently running a Lt70 wide head with log deck, power conveyor, transfer table,and twin blade edger. I only saw cypress lumber and cants. I usually average cutting about 30 logs per 8 hour day. Some days less, some days more. I'd say you would be hard pressed to cut 50 logs a day on a Lt30 with support equipment.  I also have two catapillar telehandler forklifts hauling logs to the log deck, hauling lumber/cants from the mill, hauling away slabs,sawdust,and edger waste, stacking boards etc. This is being done with 4 experienced people. I'm not saying you can't do it. I just think it won't be fun or sustainable for any length of time.  Good luck with your job. If I can be of any assistance or advice just message me.
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Re: Anyone cutting cross ties on an LT35
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2015, 09:43:48 PM »
A 7x9x8 cross tie is 42 bdft times 50 is only 2,100 bdft.  I know on my old manual LT40 that 2000 bdft per day of 2 inch lumber with one off bearer was pretty easy.  I cut nearly 3,500 bdft of 8x8x16 white oak cants for trackhoe mats in a day with two off bearers and a small track loader with forks and didn't have to push myself all that hard. 

And at $10 per tie, that is $0.238 per bdft. and not far off from my normal rate of $250/thousand (when sawing by the bdft).  Sounds like a good opportunity and a fairly easy sawing job to me. 
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Re: Anyone cutting cross ties on an LT35
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2015, 09:50:45 PM »
I'm obviously not doing something right.  I've been sawing full time for 16yrs now. I'm currently running a Lt70 wide head with log deck, power conveyor, transfer table,and twin blade edger. I only saw cypress lumber and cants. I usually average cutting about 30 logs per 8 hour day. Some days less, some days more. I'd say you would be hard pressed to cut 50 logs a day on a Lt30 with support equipment.  I also have two catapillar telehandler forklifts hauling logs to the log deck, hauling lumber/cants from the mill, hauling away slabs,sawdust,and edger waste, stacking boards etc. This is being done with 4 experienced people. I'm not saying you can't do it. I just think it won't be fun or sustainable for any length of time.  Good luck with your job. If I can be of any assistance or advice just message me.




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« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2015, 10:28:14 PM »
Just to make sure everyone understands what I'm saying, think about this. To cut 50 logs per day on any bandsaw in an 8 hour period you must cut one log every 9.6 minutes continuously for 8 hours. Yes if you have everything set up to start sawing, ie. Logs cut to length, staged at log deck, etc... Don't forget you will change blades multiple times during this 8 hour period, it's possible to do one day. The next day it will take hours to clean up the sawdust, slabs, edger waste, sticker cut lumber, sharpen saw blades etc... Sustaining 50 logs a day is verrrry difficult. Not to mention the wear and tear on your body.
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« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2015, 10:53:12 PM »
With one helper I definitely agree with cypress man.  Thats a lot of wear and tear on you and the equipment. 
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« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2015, 11:18:44 PM »
Yes the mill is capable of doing that numbers of ties in MHO. Keeping logs in front of the Mill, slabs out of the way and handling the ties is the challenge. A set of gravity rollers at the end will help.  Most days I saw 40 in about 6 hrs.  You need a straight 12inch log to get a 7 by 9.

 

 
 

 
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Re: Anyone cutting cross ties on an LT35
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2015, 11:38:50 PM »
it all depends on the logs. when sawing with the tk b20 some days we work hard to get 25 7x9 some days we will cut 60  but i am sawing big logs mostly and sawing all the lumber i can get. :)
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« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2015, 11:58:54 PM »
I saw ties on a lt15 so it can be done. What you have to do is figure out if it is cost effective for you. On my little lt15 with power feed I can only cut about 20 per day. I am a green horn and still learning so I am sure it could be a lot faster. I would kill for the hydraulics but being that your mill has hydraulics and a bigger power plant, I don't see why given your situation it wouldn't work. I would suggest possibly chipping the side cuts or something to at least not be wasting a product that could be sold in some way.
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« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2015, 07:32:51 AM »
Slow down and enjoy yourself think long haul too much rush and you will burn out. Set your mill up with roller tables and do everything to make handling easy. No contracts or quotas mix it in with your regular customers. Can be a good filler between other jobs. The outside boards would be good for pallet stock and probably be most of the profit. Watch your back ties are heavy. Frank C.
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Re: Anyone cutting cross ties on an LT35
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2015, 07:49:43 AM »
Not quite 30 years ago I took a job sawing ties with  an LT30 manual mill.  We sawed 7x9, 7x8, and some 6x8 depending on the log size. The owner had a loader, kept logs on a deck, moved all slabs , ties, and boards if we made any.
Also had an off bearer.  Ties were never lifted.  After sawing, we placed a 2x with a curved steel flange to fit over the round roller guide and rolled the tie off  and onto a stack next to the mill.  When there were 12 ties, stack was moved by loader.  Sawed for about a week.  Usually about 45 and up per day.  One day we sawed 77, but the logs were perfect size.  Remember, manual mill.  Also had to sharpen blades at night.  This was before resharp came along.  No debarker, but logs were pretty clean.  Even some hickory in the mix.
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« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2015, 08:41:47 AM »
If the ties are going to be sold to a treatment plant you might want to spend some time understanding the gradeing rules. There are rules regarding wayne, barkseam ,holes,hart placement,  shake and these rules also change for the rail barring area of the tie . Its not that hard to understand but something to keep ties from being rejected.
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« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2015, 09:21:24 AM »
I have a TK 1600 and am fairly new to cutting. We have a Skid Steer with Forks, Grapple, and Clam Bucket. makes moving everything easier. I have a portable 8' long cross buck near the mill and put my cants on it. When loaded out comes the Stihl 028 and I have 2' chunks of firewood.  The $10.00 each is his offer, why not counter and state your rate? He evidently knows what the going rate is and wants a better deal.
Give him an hourly rate with the price of replacement blades thrown in, then his "help" can be evaluated for productivity and you will not be paying for their "schooling". Just saying.
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« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2015, 01:01:29 PM »
I have never cut ties but am interested in seeing how it goes for you! As stated, see if you can test the water so to speak. $500 a day is nothing to sneeze at as long as you are not tearing stuff up(you or equipment). I hope it works out for you and you keep us posted. Brian
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Re: Anyone cutting cross ties on an LT35
« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2015, 02:02:35 PM »
I don't think there's any issue about whether the LT35 is capable, but 5 minutes per log sounds awfully aggressive to me.  First it depends on how big a log you're starting with -- a 12" log will go a whole lot faster than a 20" log (yeah, I know that's probably an exaggeration ...).  Then, are they clean?  Branches cleared off?  Relatively straight? 

The hydraulics on a 35 are plenty powerful but not particularly fast.  I'm thinking of the whole process -- disposing of flitches (potentially fairly heavy if not processing side lumber), backing all the way up, unclamping, rotating, re-clamping, sawing (and manually re-engaging blade), repeat, repeat, repeat.  Then you've got to (have someone) move a fairly heavy cant, clear flitches, and have the next log on the loading arms ready to go.  Others have mentioned blade changes ...

I'm not particularly fast, but not slow either, and this would have me pretty tired running 100 mph all day long.  Maybe could be done, but I for one don't think it's practical to keep up 8 hours a day for several days.  I'd probably assume 10 minutes per log, that still is about 50 logs in an 8-hour day which sounds more realistic, as snowshoveler has suggested.  Just MHO. 

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Re: Anyone cutting cross ties on an LT35
« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2015, 02:37:56 PM »
Throughout my 30 years sawing, logging, building a mulch business etc, if I had waited until I was sure of everything including making a profit, I would have never bought a mill, let alone investing beau coup money, getting a planer, moulder, scragg saw and all the other toys we use.  Some times things didn't work out, some times worked out spectacularly.  You are doing the research the best you can, but you won't know for sure until you dive in.  Worst case scenario is that you won't make as much money as you thought, have too much side lumber left over, you will be tired, and know that you won't do that type of work again or will make changes next time.
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« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2015, 03:28:27 PM »
Make sure there is flexibility in the agreement.  I don't think you want to cut RR Ties every day or try to make a quota. The big thing will be your helpers.
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Re: Anyone cutting cross ties on an LT35
« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2015, 05:14:01 PM »
Personally I'd do it, at least once.

I can't see how you are really going to be loosing money on the deal. The question is really, "Are you making enough to want to do it again?". And the only way to answer that is to actually do it for a few days, cut the 200 ties, and then decide.

Either it's a good job, and you are happy. Tell the guy to call any time he wants more cut.

Or you figure after your expenses you worked a week for only minimum wage. In that case you still take the $2,000 as agreed, but tell the guy that if he needs it done again it will be $12 a tie (or whatever number you need to make it work)

Setting up the job site and having some good help is what is going to make or break the deal. You need to be sawing, with the logs just appearing, and slabs and ties disappearing as if by magic. If you have to stop and do materials management and housekeeping all the time, you wont get the production you want, and that's the difference between making $60hr and $120 hr.
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« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2015, 05:22:17 PM »
It always seems to be how much an hour,, fact is if you do indeed make four face cuts to produce a cant of any size, then this should be 5 minutes a log, for the folks that have not sawn ties well it may be better not to give input. material handling is the same as any sawmill operation, it should facilitate ease on the off bearing, and the stacks should be planed out.  It really is simple, but can redundant.  As stated before there is always will be issues with blades and potential break downs,  so it is what it is, saw milling.  A bird in hand is better than two in the bush,  nuff said,
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« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2015, 05:52:56 PM »
It's no problem getting rit of the scrap wood.
I made three 4x4x4' boxes and fill them with the scrap.
I park it along the road and sell it for $30.00 a box.
It goes fast and I dont have to deal with the scrap.

 

 

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« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2015, 06:10:26 PM »
 one might as well talk about grits,, this vet wants to know about sawing ties, not fire wood, but if he does four slabs he will have plenty of it,,
only have a few chain saws I'm not suppose to use, but will at times, one dog Dolly, pretty good dog, just not sure what for yet,  working on getting the gardening back in order, and kinda thinking on maybe a small bbq bizz,  thinking about it,

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« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2015, 06:15:07 PM »
one might as well talk about grits,, this vet wants to know about sawing ties, not fire wood, but if he does four slabs he will have plenty of it,,

I was just says what to do with all the waste...
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Re: Anyone cutting cross ties on an LT35
« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2015, 07:40:08 PM »
     Wasted lumber and disposal of by-products is not my problem. Potential lost income from the side lumber or firewood is not my issue. Finding/Providing help and stacking is not my problem. Marketing and the price for ties is not my problem - I don't care if he sells them for $11 or $100 each.

    As I understand at this point the client would be staging piles of logs in landings along the road and I would pull up beside them and saw them. When I was done with a pile I'd hook up and move down the road to the next pile.

    I would just be sawing his logs.  He'd find, provide and pay for the help.
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« Reply #30 on: November 12, 2015, 07:58:57 PM »
I don't know nothing! But it sounds like a good gig to me. If you can swing it give it a try with no promises. At least you will have tried and know if its for you or not. If it is, make a few bucks, if it isn't gracefully bow out and look for the next opportunity. Opportunity is missed by most cause it shows up in bib overalls and looks like work (old saying). I would love to hear all about it and how it worked out great. JMTC Brian
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« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2015, 08:16:55 PM »
I don't have any input myself. I'm just reading & going to see how the job ends. Maybe get lucky to see a picture.
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Re: Anyone cutting cross ties on an LT35
« Reply #32 on: November 12, 2015, 10:13:02 PM »
I agree with the " try it out " club. You do not have to do it again. I would also try to get a couple more dollars per tie just to see what he says.
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Re: Anyone cutting cross ties on an LT35
« Reply #33 on: November 13, 2015, 05:20:59 AM »
     The biggest single issue I see is the "help" he's providing.  With really, really good help you may have a shot at it.  If the help is like what I get sometimes, you might as well be working solo.
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Re: Anyone cutting cross ties on an LT35
« Reply #34 on: November 13, 2015, 09:16:23 AM »
I have cut thousands of ties on an LT40. This has the potential to be a good gig. I would look at the setup and point out the help would have to be somebody that would work. What he is offering is about a third of the gross price of the tie. That can vary a little from area to area. If you are moving from pile to pile there is time involved in moving. If at a fixed location you have to move ties, logs and slabs. What about the logs that won't make a tie? Some will make it to the mill that will open up bad or have a little too much sweep or just a little bit too small. Is there a market for cants and what about the shares/fees sawing them. You can cut a tie in 5 minutes. You can not average a tie in five minutes in the run of a day. If you average a tie in 10 minutes in the run of a day for 8 hours that would be about 50 ties a day and there would be cants. Some cants would be from logs that didn't make it as a tie and some would be from side lumber. I sharpen my own blades and allow for sharpening at $10.00 per blade. Very little fuel would be involved in that small amount of cuts. $50.00 should cover blade and fuel. You should come in at about $450.00 a day before wear and tear. Not a bad wage. Bottom line is I would try it for a few days. The variables is the quality of the logs and labor he provides. Give it a week or 2 and see how it works, could be a good gig.
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Re: Anyone cutting cross ties on an LT35
« Reply #35 on: November 13, 2015, 12:53:46 PM »
Finding/Providing help and stacking is not my problem.
WV, I agree with your other points, but not this one ... in fact, nomad beat me to it.  I've been to a few places where the customer was so well organized and had plenty of help, I could barely keep the mill moving fast enough (@rasman57 ...!!).  But that's the exception rather than the rule.  Often either waiting on the help to catch up (or figuring out where they went  ::) ), or pitching in with moving things around.  If you're going to crank through 50 logs/ties a day for several days, you can't be doing that very much.

I think your job will actually be easier than that of a single helper.  That guy is either going to be a young buck with energy to burn, or he's going to start gasping for air in a few hours.  Just think about off-bearing a single tie -- tough for one guy doing it all day long, along with everything else.

If I were you, I'd insist on 2 helpers, maybe even 3 if they're wanting breaks or to rotate jobs.  That keeps you sawing and not doing other stuff.

Other than that, I'm with the others ... go for it!!
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Re: Anyone cutting cross ties on an LT35
« Reply #36 on: November 13, 2015, 08:57:34 PM »
A few years ago a company that I have sold Ties to did a pamphlet to show the advantages of sawing ties over low grade lumber. One of there points was revenue per saw line. . I am going to exclude kerf in this example.
If you cut the 12inch log into 1 inch boards you would have 10 saw lines per log and if you charged .25 per bf your revenue per saw line would be $1.05
 If you are sawing that same log into a 7 by 9 tie with the arrangement you have there will be 4 saw lines with a revenue of $ 2.50 per saw line.
So every time you make a trip down the log you make $2.50  instead of $1.05 .
That would make me smile all day . 8)
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Re: Anyone cutting cross ties on an LT35
« Reply #37 on: November 13, 2015, 09:08:19 PM »
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So every time you make a trip down the log you make $2.50  instead of $1.05 .

I don't cut for money and have a manual mill, however when adding cost, my turning the log could be worth more then the cut line after the turn.

I am wondering if I am looking at this wrong as I am unexperianced and not being critical of what you are saying.  Just wondering.
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Ps  I know in this situation what you say is gold but if it was differrent and the guy cutting also got the boards, it would surly be worth getting the extra .25 per board foot that is around the tie.

Ps Ps  I wish I hadn't posted this cause it is a stupid point as the job in question is what it is. Note to self, Think before engaging fingers.

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Re: Anyone cutting cross ties on an LT35
« Reply #38 on: November 13, 2015, 09:44:39 PM »
gww       
This was there example to try to show the advantage of sawing ties. I understand your point but the log has to be turned 4 times at least no mater what you saw and your right I was addressing his situation. I dont mean to highjack the thread but one of the advantages of producing something like a ties or a timber is lack of cuts. Every time the blade makes a cut you loose a percentage of your product in sawdust.

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Re: Anyone cutting cross ties on an LT35
« Reply #39 on: November 13, 2015, 09:54:56 PM »
   Thx to all for your input. Good history, background and points to ponder.

WH_C,

    Good point about logs cut that don't make the grade. I will include that in discussion - might suggest he provides the logs. I cut them and get paid whether he can sell it or not.

    I don't understand the comment about the cants. All I'd be cutting would be the ties. Everything else is client owned scrap as far as I am concerned.

Sawyer,

   Thanks for the points. I will be sure to keep the "help" high on the list. Maybe the help is getting paid by the piece also. Provides more incentive but he may not need much and be happy with less then me.

   My grandfather once set up a tie cutting business back when this was a manual operation with only 2 sides squared. He paid about 3 times the going rate and could still make a decent profit but his crew would only work 1-2 days. He cut pay and they'd work 4 days. Finally cut to going rate and they'd work all week and beg of overtime on weekends. I think the cutters normally got a nickel a tie and Grandpa started out paying 15 cents and selling for a quarter.  Dropped to a dime then to a nickel was only way to keep a crew cutting full time.
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Re: Anyone cutting cross ties on an LT35
« Reply #40 on: November 13, 2015, 10:02:32 PM »
Pallet Cants. In my area the standard is 3 1/2" by 6". If a log is below grade for a tie you can still get a couple of cants out of it.
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Re: Anyone cutting cross ties on an LT35
« Reply #41 on: November 14, 2015, 04:55:41 AM »
Bill,

   I could suggest several salvage options for poor wood including making pallet cants but these are not my logs and not sure if the guy has or wants to deal with a contract with any pallet makers.

   If this were my wood I'd try to figure some way to sell everything but I can't stress enough - It is not my logs. I'd just be sawing to the customer specs and all he has indicated he wants is 7"X9"X8' ties. He has been crystal clear I'd only be making 4 cuts per log and no indication he wants anything else.
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Re: Anyone cutting cross ties on an LT35
« Reply #42 on: November 14, 2015, 05:46:51 AM »
As long as he understands that leaving 100 logs doesn't guarantee 100 ties you should be good to go. Not all logs are created equal. A log that looks good from the loader seat might open up with a knot hole that cull's it or have too much sweep. Good luck with the venture.
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« Reply #43 on: November 14, 2015, 10:33:45 AM »
And you should get paid on the logs you saw, not on the ties that meet the tie grade from the logs you saw.
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« Reply #44 on: November 14, 2015, 06:12:31 PM »
I would charge him a little more because you will still be lifting an heaving around on heavy ties. I can tell you he is probably going to take them to Sutton just below the dam to the treatment plant and in the summer they were paying somewhere around $32 bucks a cant for standard size..it would be worth it for him and you to split it down the middle after trucking cost. he supply the logs and helper and you have the mill.

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Re: Anyone cutting cross ties on an LT35
« Reply #45 on: November 14, 2015, 07:59:15 PM »
Beenthere,

   I agree and will discuss that. Costs me just as much to saw a reject tie as a Grade A #1 gold spike bearing tie.

Brandon,

    Why? If he pays me what we agree on I don't care how much he makes on them. I'm not interested in a partnership. What if he only gets $18 a tie? Do we cut my price? He's taking the risk and I'm keeping my life simple enjoying what I like to do. If I'd wanted complicated I'd get a job selling ladies shoes.
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