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Offline alanh

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« Reply #40 on: March 07, 2016, 09:41:57 AM »
Im not an experienced miller but I`ve had the experience of cutting up some 3' X 16' pine on my non hydraulic mill, they only needed the butts trimmed and without our 580 Case backhoe with a 4 way loader bucket AND a 5000 lb forklift it would`ve been IMO, impossible.

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« Reply #41 on: March 07, 2016, 09:56:38 AM »
There's nothing wrong with telling your customer that you made a mistake and after thinking a lot about it, you don't think you can handle those bigger logs.  Either he'll choose smaller trees or pay to have the big ones handled.  That being said, this job CAN be done by you.  It'll take massive amounts of time, energy, fuel, chains, etc.  Anything can be done if you throw enough time and money at it.  If you decide to do this job, I think getting paid by the hour would be better than by the board foot.  Most of your time will be in processing the massive logs in order to get them on your mill!  A nice sit down chat with your customer over a cup of coffee would be a nice way to start, perhaps.
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« Reply #42 on: March 07, 2016, 12:19:59 PM »
    Den-Den made a good point I meant to mention also. Turning quarters or halves is also going to be much harder than turning a round log. I seriously doubt any lone man is going to turn them by himself even with the supersized Logrite cant or peavey hook.

   Even handling the 2X10X18 boards are going to be a chore. Do you or the customer have a long trailer or big flatbed truck to haul them on? I've had customers order lumber they could not transport with the equipment they had. May not be your responsibility for the transport but you are going to have to move the boards and need to help advise the customer on such issues as part of your responsibility as the sawyer and functional area expert.
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« Reply #43 on: March 07, 2016, 02:14:49 PM »
Anybody local with a 10" capacity Swing blade mill that you could contract the sawing part too?

That will handle a job like that, probably without moving the logs from where they fall. You could subcontract the actual sawing, and add your charges for the felling / prep work and working as an off-bearer.

Still going to be hard work, but at least you then have the right machine for the job.
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« Reply #44 on: March 07, 2016, 06:22:03 PM »
I kinda missed the 3, 4, and 5 foot part, and didn't realize it was a manual mill...I would try and find him a guy with a swing blade mill like Ianab reccommended. Or a mobile dimension.  That sounds like wayy too much effort for nuttin special..
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« Reply #45 on: March 07, 2016, 07:01:33 PM »
It is a big job. Tell him you will do it by the hour. Like $175.00, $200.00. Get some of your buddies and pay them $15.00 an hour. 2 or 3 of them. Have them bring there saws. Buy new saw chains for there saws. Have them wear the safety stuff too, If they don't have it get it for them. You can take the price of the stuff out of there pay.
Tell him he is responable for the equipment to move the logs.
Get $1,500 or more to start.

I bet the trees have gone buy and are junk on the in side [the butt log]
And at the end of every week get payed, So when you go home you are even with him.
If he don't like your turms, tell him Have a nice day and go do something else. :D
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« Reply #46 on: March 07, 2016, 07:25:21 PM »
Hey guys sorry I'm just not replying. It was a long day at work.... I read every one's opinions and thoughts, took them seriously and have my mind made up. I think it's too much for me to take on at this point. Lack of equipment/knowledge/ etc. It's frustrating on myself because I love a good challenge and rarely say no to much anything. But I don't want to screw anything up for him as far as lumber goes and more importantly I don't want a bad reputation. Thanks for all the input it really was a lot of help.
Hey everybody! New to the forum and sawing as well. Willing to learn a much as possible. I recently bought a norwood MX 34. Any info or tips will be greatly appreciated!

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« Reply #47 on: March 07, 2016, 07:52:21 PM »
   Hard decision but I think your reputation will be rewarded accordingly. Good luck.
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« Reply #48 on: March 07, 2016, 07:53:00 PM »
dalton that is a wise decision you could probably handle 36" logs in shorter lengths but you can destroy a good sawmill with logs that size and you cant make any money on them either i have sawn a bunch of them up to 44-48" but i rolled a 12' pin oak off in the woods a while back that was over 60" in the biggest spot where the limbs grew around it at about 7' up from but it was still about 50" at the little end. told the boss i wasnt going to spend a day and a half sawing pallet stock out of something like that :o ;D there should be some pics in my gallery :)
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« Reply #49 on: March 07, 2016, 08:04:08 PM »
Dalton.....you made a good choice smiley_thumbsup smiley_thumbsup smiley_thumbsup smiley_thumbsup

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« Reply #50 on: March 07, 2016, 08:06:59 PM »
You never lose money on a job you don't take.
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« Reply #51 on: March 07, 2016, 09:14:34 PM »
 

 

My crawler loader barely picked up this 14 footer - 18 inches at the butt - red oak.  it lifted the log and the hydraulics would settle to the ground without lever input.  your mill will collapse under the weight of bigger ones and youll never get it straight again.   I bought an alaskan mill to mill these up.

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« Reply #52 on: March 08, 2016, 07:28:56 AM »
I swear off really big logs every time I try to saw them  :).  My 56 HP tractor limits the size of log that I can pick up and move.  If i can't pick it up with the tractor, I will not mill it. 
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« Reply #53 on: March 08, 2016, 10:27:13 AM »
I think you made the right choice. That feeling that was making you nervous is your instincts telling you don't do it. I wish I had listened to mine more.

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« Reply #54 on: March 08, 2016, 10:57:28 AM »
I admire you for taking the voice of experience (guys here) and listening to it.  That puts you one step ahead of me when I was 26. I lost 10K on a job due to inexperience and took years to recover from it.  That lesson later saved me probably 100K in the future as I never repeated it.  Just be glad YOU saved the 10K before a hard lesson was learned  :embarassed:
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« Reply #55 on: March 09, 2016, 12:00:02 AM »
I've turned down jobs that I thought were beyond my capability -- but I always told the customer exactly why. In a couple of cases the customers came up with alternatives that worked for both of us. The rest respected my decision.

I also once took on a job that was a little past the capabilities of my manual mill. Before I agreed to do the job I told the customer I wasn't sure my mill could handle it, but the only way to find out was to give it a try. He liked my attitude. As it turned out, I got the job done -- took a week to do but it felt like I'd done a month's worth of work. That led to a 5-year working relationship, plus a new hydraulic mill ;D.

It really helps to do the job on paper first -- what steps are you going to take, what equipment will you need, how will you ensure your (and your mill's) safety? How long will it take? What could go wrong?
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