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Re: 353 Detroit oil recommend
« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2017, 11:26:53 AM »
I've heard good things about the 5W-40 in winter operations.  I bet the old tractors back on the farm wish they had some of this.  It's amazing those engines last as long as they do considering the amount of noise they make in the middle of winter when sitting for a week or so waiting for the oil pressure to come up to something.  :o
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Re: 353 Detroit oil recommend
« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2017, 07:26:44 PM »
could this be why detriot used a different oil spec on marine engines? a sliver 6v92 in a truck was 350 hp the marine version was 550hp or more. they ran a lot of fuel into them. twin turbo instead of 90 injectors 130   140. a boat motor has a constant load on it. it never coasts down hill. look at the little 5.9 cummins 200 to what 250hp in a dodge 450 to 480 in a boat. and a big price tag. i priced a 5.9 marine a couple yrs ago $45000 the remans were a lot less

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« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2017, 08:10:51 PM »
I only see one quote from an oil book in this oil thread . Every oil company has a oil book that tells every product that company makes . Each oil type has pour point and all kinds of data . The oil company has no reason to sell you 15- 40 VS 40 wt . Look up any oil salesman and ask for a book . then look it up for yourself  and make a decision based on oil facts not he said or he uses . When the book says recommended for 2 cycle Detroit Diesel that's what it means . When it says not for 2 cycle DD . Get a book .
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« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2017, 11:23:27 AM »
this from an old Detroit man   the old dd that had the 2valve head needed the straight wt oil more so than the 4valve heads he was giving me all kinds of( big words) that I didn't under stand why it was different but just some thought  ;D

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« Reply #24 on: January 14, 2017, 10:45:36 AM »
you put staight sae 30 or 40 in in it the summer and straight sae 10 in the winter and you wont have trouble so i took his advise and no problems.words of wisdom i think so.

Straight 10 weight in a high rpm diesel does not sound like wisdom to me.

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Re: 353 Detroit oil recommend
« Reply #25 on: January 14, 2017, 11:07:47 AM »
In the past year that I've had a 3-53 I've used 30wt, 40wt, 10w30 and 15w40 all Rotella.  Doesn't make any difference.  It still uses oil  ;) ;D :)
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« Reply #26 on: January 14, 2017, 01:26:35 PM »
Best.  Post.  Ever.   :D
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Re: 353 Detroit oil recommend
« Reply #27 on: January 14, 2017, 09:06:50 PM »
I used delvac 1300 all winter long and never had any problems. I also pre heat with hot water hook up. Best way in my mind.

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Re: 353 Detroit oil recommend
« Reply #28 on: January 24, 2017, 08:19:10 AM »
15/40 in ours and starts way better.  Old timer down the road has used 0/40 in his since it came out.
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Re: 353 Detroit oil recommend
« Reply #29 on: January 24, 2017, 08:13:14 PM »
The DD mechanic in the twin cities said straight 40 year round.
I use hot hoses, 300 watt magnetic heater on oil pan, & a frost plug heater.
Once your running it still wants straight 40.

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Re: 353 Detroit oil recommend
« Reply #30 on: January 30, 2017, 09:16:22 PM »
We always use 15x40 in all of our diesels winter and summer . My buddy is using 0x50 synthetic in his 6cyl  perkins C5  and it seems to be fine so far .

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Re: 353 Detroit oil recommend
« Reply #31 on: January 31, 2017, 08:38:20 PM »
I run Rotella t straight 40w in the summer and 30w in the winter after my rebuild.

Before the old 353 blew up I was running delvac 15 40 and it leaked over a gallon a day but I think it was the motor not the oil choice. Decided to do it to spec and only run straight weight after I got her rebuilt. No leaks and it builds good pressure while cranking.

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Re: 353 Detroit oil recommend
« Reply #32 on: February 04, 2017, 09:28:37 AM »
I'd really love to know exactly why.  You know, the science behind it.  It's common knowledge that multi viscosity oils protect better than straight weight oils.  I want to know why this isn't so for Detroit 2 stroke diesels.

A great question Ox,  I think this is a big part of it

Ref: 7SE270 0510 Copyright 2005 DETROIT DIESEL CORPORATION


LUBRICATING OIL SELECTION CRITERIA

Temperature Limits for Oil Viscosity Grades
3.2   HIGH TEMPERATURE/HIGH SHEAR VISCOSITY
High Temperature / High Shear (HT/HS) Viscosity is measured at 302 F (150 C) under shear
stress conditions similar to very thin
film lubrication areas such as those found at the piston
ring-to-cylinder wall interface. The value obtained from this test provides an indication of
temporary shear stability of the viscosity index improver used in multigrade oils. In 15W-40
grade oils, a HT/HS viscosity below 3.7 centipoise (cP) indicates that the oil will not perform as a
40 grade oil at engine operating conditions.


Seems if you can find multi weight with a 3.7 centipoise (cp) rate or better you would be set.

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« Reply #33 on: February 04, 2017, 11:10:12 AM »
Thanks for finding that - it's very counter-intuitive to what I've read and been taught over the years.  Maybe it's time for me to rethink what I thought...  ???
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« Reply #34 on: February 04, 2017, 02:44:56 PM »
"Seems if you can find multi weight with a 3.7 centipoise (cp) rate or better you would be set."

I'll condition that statement by adding you should meet or exceed the Sulphated Ash spec as well.

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« Reply #35 on: February 04, 2017, 04:26:06 PM »
Rotella T6 synthetic. Lowest ash content of any oil on market including Delo straight weights.
It's all I use. You would never crank a Detroit up here in winter on 30w.

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« Reply #36 on: February 04, 2017, 05:42:33 PM »
run what ever you think is best for you  :)

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« Reply #37 on: February 04, 2017, 06:24:16 PM »


Rotella advertises sulphated ash at 1%

As i understand Delo 100 reports out to 0.8 wt/%

Detroit spec'ed the 2 strokers oil to sulphated ash less than 1%

From what I have learned  the old DD 2 strokes need a specific oil, straight weight 40, low ash,
the challenge is how to start them in the cold and is modern multi weight oil up to the task??

IMHO a block heater is the best solution even with the challenges that may bring
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