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Re: Considering engine replacement
« Reply #40 on: August 08, 2017, 05:09:02 AM »
I am considering a Honda gx series 20HP. It is an easy fit - same bolt pattern as the Kohler.
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Re: Considering engine replacement
« Reply #41 on: August 08, 2017, 06:35:44 AM »
Bob,
I was hoping you would come back to the Honda.My GX670 has been a good performer.Technical support has never been a problem......or needed.Also the red color goes well with your Cook's mill.
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Re: Considering engine replacement
« Reply #42 on: August 08, 2017, 10:18:01 AM »
Honda's and Kawies are very good engines.
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« Reply #43 on: August 08, 2017, 09:13:45 PM »
As far small gassers go, honda would be my first pick.
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Re: Considering engine replacement
« Reply #44 on: August 09, 2017, 08:24:11 AM »
All I know about Kawis is, I had a 12 or 17hp in a John Deere 175 mower and I thought it needed a starter and called the dealer (this was nearly 20 years ago) and they wanted something like $400 for a starter.

I asked, "How much for a complete new engine???"

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« Reply #45 on: August 09, 2017, 11:00:52 PM »
I too went with a Honda (20.8 hp).  Was surprised to see the "made in China" sticker,  I guess what isn't these day.
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« Reply #46 on: August 10, 2017, 02:05:31 AM »
All Honda vertical-shaft lawn mower engines on both Honda lawn mowers as well as other brands (Toro, Sears, etc.) have been cast, assembled and shipped from the Honda plant in Swepsonville, North Carolina since 1982. That facility makes hundreds of thousands of engines every year, with many exported to Latin American and European distributors.

Now some of the larger, horizontal-shaft engines used in Honda generators, snowblowers, and pumps are made at Honda plants in Thailand. However, the vast, overwhelming majority of Honda engines sold in the US come right out of the Swepsonville plant.

If it says it's made in China I bet it's a clone.
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Re: Considering engine replacement
« Reply #47 on: August 10, 2017, 03:13:08 AM »
According to Honda's web page the GX series is made in Japan, Thailand or China. Those are the commercial rated engines.

The US plant builds the GS version which is a lighter duty engine, and would be used for lawnmowers etc.

If you bought via a legit Honda dealer it's probably a legit Chinese Honda.
If it's "grey market" then it's anyone's guess who actually made it.
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« Reply #48 on: August 10, 2017, 07:19:17 AM »
The best price I have found for the Honda GX 20.8 HP is 1199.99 + shipping (no muffler) from an un-mentionable company so I bet it is made in China. That's a red flag for many. Maybe this is a naive question but if Honda write the specs for a product and verifies the plant can meet them (which to me is the minimum of good business practice) why does it matter where it is made? (It is not my intent to throw a grenade in the kitchen and leave  :o)
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Re: Considering engine replacement
« Reply #49 on: August 10, 2017, 07:52:33 AM »
The Chonda engine I have on my mill is a 22 hp, listed for $899, on sale for $699. I had a 20% off coupon so another $140 off and shipping was $6.95 to my door. If you discount my screwup with the ether, it has been a pretty good engine. The external parts look just like the external parts on the Honda I have on my welder/generator. I know the piston is different, and would assume the rod is too, but don't know about crank or other internals. My only real complaint about the engine is non-adjustable carb jets and if it sets for awhile the Jets may get varnish build-up & run lean. However, my Honda did this too.

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Re: Considering engine replacement
« Reply #50 on: August 10, 2017, 11:00:24 AM »
The cure for all carburetor related illnesses is a fuel shutoff valve that is used to run the carb dry of fuel religiously every time one shuts the engine down.  Of course, this isn't required if the engine is used every single day, but for more than a week shutdown it should be run dry just to be safe.  Most small engines today don't have the shutoff valves on them anymore.  I've installed these valves on everything I own and between this and using non ethanol gas I've solved every single engine problem I've had.  All my engines now start on the first or second pull after opening the valve after a long winter sitting.  It's truly a thing of beauty. 

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« Reply #51 on: August 10, 2017, 06:37:44 PM »
My 2016 GX630 20.8 hp Honda has been verified through Honda Small Engine Product Registration as a valid SN that was manufactured in China.  Just the facts Ma'am!
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Re: Considering engine replacement
« Reply #52 on: August 10, 2017, 09:02:41 PM »
Mike, that source is good to know about. Thanks.
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« Reply #53 on: April 08, 2021, 03:02:48 PM »
Im updating this post because the compression fell dramatically last week (to 50 psi) causing rpm drop to 3000 when sawing 8 dia cedar. Deciding on a replacement for my 16 HP Kohler engine required far more evaluation then I expected. I bandied about between Honda and Kohler evaluating price, shipping cost, physical dimensions, shaft diameter and length, bolt pattern, etc. I am strongly leaning to a 20HP Honda GX633 even though the muffler will collide with part of the mill when the band is raised to about 26. I figure a muffler shop can add and bend exhaust pipe less than 2 to avoid this. What do you think?
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