Forestry Forum 2024 Presidential exit poll

[NewYankeeSawmill]

I just find it amazing that the populace is so blind to (or unwilling to look into) all the nonsense that happened (not just voting) during Covid.

There's a lot to unravel, and succinct is not a word ever used to describe my writing.... But I'll try.

It is/was an attempted take over by communists.

I believe that several well known psychological techniques were leveraged against the population at large. Not only are there famous experiments like Stanley Milgram's one about subordination to the clip-board and lab-coat, but the ability to control people by instilling fear into a population at large was really honed to perfection w/ the GWOT. The KungFlu was the perfect application of what was learned - a bad cold was engineered in the lab and people went nuts out of what: Fear. That fear was leveraged against all manner of Constitutional and Innate Rights which people willingly gave up (out of fear), Mr B. Franklin, I hear you! That was then used to divide society among vaxxx and anti-vaxx, lab- or natural- origin, mask or no-masks, etc., etc., etc... divisions were deliberately created among society at all points to foment hate and anger, and prevent unity and cohesion. This is classic Marxism, read your history, pickup a book! They literally tell you this is how they take over countries - divide the population!

Communists have long used cognitive dissonance to put people on edge, Pravda anyone (translated literally means "Truth", but it was a newspaper that spread government propaganda). This causes effects on the mind that are powerful but subtle, and we've all experienced it personally the last 4+ years, in various ways, shapes and forms: The talking heads on the tee vee tell you everything is rosy, but you can't afford gas nor groceries? That thing your brain does that makes you rub your temples when you hear crap like that? That's cognitive dissonance. It wears on you, doesn't it? That's not being done on accident! It's deliberate, to wear you down! That's what commies always did in the past, they used to brag about it! Guess what? They're doing it again, now, here.

The coup-de-gras is compliments of The Devil himself! His greatest trick is convincing people he doesn't exist, right? What do politicians tell you? What does school teach you? That government is here to help!

Anyone from WNC or ETN here wanna chime in about FEMA 'helping'...?

I got news for a lot of people on this board...

https://youtu.be/h242eDB84zY

Hint: The FedGov has been the bad guys since about 1946... They (have now admitted they) killed Kennedy for Chris'sakes, what more proof do you need!? You would have to have had your head in the sand for 60 years not know our government is run by traitors who don't care what The Constitution says... Probably since 1913, but that's a whole 'nother topic.

Half of Congress would hang if we were a lawful nation. Over half. You have to grok that. Once you get your head around the fact CONgress is nothing but a bunch of crooks stealing candy from babies, it all starts to fall into place.

... Most people have constructed a paradigm they live in where the Government is not only altruistic, but incapable of causing the kinds of harm to its citizens that they have and continue to do. We've got laws against that! They believe the lies they're told by Pravda (because Milgram). History and facts do not matter to their paradigm. Don't believe me? Ask anyone who says "I support Israel" today what they know about the USS Liberty. You get crickets, don't you? They don't WANT to know the truth, they want to continue to live in their paradigm. It's comfortable, they're used to it. Change is painful. You mean Israel isn't our greatest ally?

I was taught to question everything, and we ALL have now lived through personal experiences that reinforced that lesson (e.g. KungFlu?). Most of the US, and certainly the younger generations, have been INDOCTRINATED in public school, and by the media, that the world is not what it actually is. If you listened to the media (which all the good liberals did), you thought KamelToe had it close in the election. Nothing could have been further from the truth the entire time, but they kept telling the lie over and over again, didn't they? The election now proves that beyond a doubt - THEY WERE LYING TO YOU THE WHOLE TIME AND KNEW IT!!!! Do any of them accept that as truth today and adjust their paradigm? Nope, Trump cheated....Tee vee told me so.

Sigh... and now I start rubbing my temples, in disbelief that people really are that stupid.

To say 'we're screwed' is an understatement....

[47sawdust]

I did not vote for Trump and was not all that impressed by Harris.I live in Vermont and definitely lean left on social issues.
I am most distressed by the fact that neither party can field stronger candidates.
After Trump won the 2016 election election I read a book  called "American Nations" by Colin Woodard.The book describes the history of our political division going back to the Revolutionary War.The author describes us as being a country of 11 rival regions.It made made me realize we will probably never be unified in our respective beliefs.
To me the most important issue going forward is to treat each other with mutual respect despite political difference,color of skin,ethnic background and gender.We all can do better.Let's lead with compassion and our hearts.
Blessed day to all.

[jb616]

The current Democrats are projectionists, accusing the others of what they themselves are actually doing. The only threat of "democracy" was actually a threat to Democratcy. DJT actually cares for this country, all you have to do is listen the a few of the hundreds of interviews that he made with an open mind. These were legit interviews,  not scripted softball interviews for the left. Your eyes should also come to full open when you see life long Democrats moving to the Republican side. Its time to actually drain the swamp and end corruption on both sides, streamline the government,  and end the spiral into bankruptcy.

[Cedarman]

Since I am recovering from getting a new knee, I have a lot of free time to watch the boob toob.
I have been watching a  lot of MSNBC which I have not done before to get a feel for what the left is saying.
The left are saying Trump voters are sexist, racist and misogonist.  Non college educated, therefore stupid.  They just couldn't get it through Trump voters thick heads that they needed to change. That Kamala would change America for the better.  Extremely negative to the max.
The right seems to be saying that we are listening to the public and will make the changes that will make their lives better. Positive to the max.

Top of my list is that the new pres and congress will pass laws stopping the sexual mutilation of any one under 18.  I am appalled that a segment of our society condones this.  We should put emphasis on helping any youth that is frustrated with their bodies to seek help to get them through their troubling times without recourse to non reversible procedures.

Girls sports should not have transgender participants.  How many girls will be deprived of their sports experience until this unfair practice is eliminated?  Pass the law.

Will be glad when I can get to the mill again.

[Bradm]

I had a customer in on Wednesday and he moving in a daze and completely flabbergasted over the outcome.  I had made a friendly bet with him (lunch) over the outcome and even though he lost I still provided him with lunch.  What concerns me right now is the rhetoric I'm seeing and hearing coming from non mainstream sources.

Having studied some of the history of the last 70 years, I have noticed that the early 1970s could almost be considered a watershed moment of history.  There are a lot of connections, writings (many ideologically driven), business and NGO groups that either came on the scene or can trace their current roots to this era.

Hint: The FedGov has been the bad guys since about 1946... They (have now admitted they) killed Kennedy for Chris'sakes, what more proof do you need!? You would have to have had your head in the sand for 60 years not know our government is run by traitors who don't care what The Constitution says... Probably since 1913, but that's a whole 'nother topic.

Back it up to sometime between 1865 and 1900 when governments were sponsoring eugenics programs.  Also, though off topic, what are your sources on the government admitting to Kennedy?  Everything I've seen points to it and with Trump's about face on releasing everything about it during his first term has helped to solidify my thoughts on it.

[Jeff]

I get it, you hated him 4 years ago and still do now (Lord knows I do) .

Despite the hate, he's a consistent winner and overachiever.

Call it jealousy or envy, some people can't handle his success and wealth. There have been scandals, lies, and twisted truths, but he proves his haters wrong time and time again.

You may not have wanted him in this job, but there's nothing we can do about it. I know it might get worse over the next several weeks, but like him or not -

Tom Brady is doing a decent job as a broadcaster. Way better than Collinsworth....

Borrowed from a friend-

[NewYankeeSawmill]

Back it up to sometime between 1865 and 1900 when governments were sponsoring eugenics programs.  Also, though off topic, what are your sources on the government admitting to Kennedy? 

Right? Tuskegee was in the 1930's...
Wasn't there a sort of admission in an opinion piece or something in Time magazine earlier this year? I forget among all the rhetoric, there was something about it as a vague threat to Trump.

[aigheadish]

If you haven't read 1984 in a while give it another go. I think it should be read every 5 years or so to both remind us and see how it differs each time. I've read it probably 6 times now and each time it hits in a new way. The amount of doublespeak in society today is bonkers.

I'm not a huge Trump fan (he is funny, I'll give him that), and while I think he is the best offering, for President, we have right now, I'm still not convinced he's on "our" side. It's possible to do a lot of things that appear good and conservative and still do a few things that possibly enrich or enable terrible things to happen. I hope he's genuine but politics has left me jaded.

On a completely different note. This conversation is controlled, not disrespectful, and lovely. Where on the internet does this happen? Support the Forestry Forum. It's cheap, it helps the site, and it feels great!

https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=125278.0

[47sawdust]

aigheadish,
Very well said.
I too  am  grateful for this forum.
Thank you,Jeff

[Joewood]

aigheadish,
Very well said.
I too  am  grateful for this forum.
Thank you,Jeff

I agree whole heartedly 47.
 Just to be clear, Harris was not my first choice, neither was Biden, they were just better than the alternative. If Trump has his way food prices will rise, no one to harvest the veggies or milk the cows; he has vowed to roll back federal regulations on energy and the environment, extend tax cuts to the rich, and pursue an "America First" foreign policy; this will put us back in the 20^th century with higher prices and less choice at the marketplace.
OK, I'll get off my soupbox but I do agree with a lot that was said on here. We'll just have to muddle through the next four years.

[GAB]

Since I am recovering from getting a new knee, I have a lot of free time to watch the boob toob.

@Cedarman:
I wish you a complete and speedy recovery.
GAB

[doc henderson]

Thanks Joe.  I do respect your right to have that opinion, but I do not know where you are getting the idea that any of that is true.  I take care of myself and family.  I work my ass off and if I am going to help a stranger, that should be up to me.  I will gladly pay for room and board and health care for any truly disabled person.  I do not care to pay for 10 million illegal immigrants who were encouraged to come here to get votes to make it, so the Dems are the only ones to get elected in the future.  Instead of giving them a hand up, they are bringing us down.  the idea is to get good people who can contribute to our country.  Lets give the new team a try.

[doc henderson]

In all fairness, the info we get is quite dependent on the news we watch and listen to.  I also try to watch the more left news intermittently.  I tend to trust fox news best.  I would also say that many neurosurgeons are quite arrogant and can be real ashes most of the time.  But, if you really need a neurosurgeon, I would pick the ash if they are the best over the really nice one.

[WV Sawmiller]

Joe,

  I am betting the cows still get milked and the crops still get picked. They may be/likely will still be picked by immigrants but I'm hoping and expecting it will be legal immigrants who have been vetted and follow the rules and obey our laws.

    I worked most of my career overseas in foreign countries but I worked there legally with proper visas and work permits and look back and say "That country is better off today because of the work I and my expat co-workers did." I trained many foreign workers and treasured the memories of watching them grow and become successful because of the help we gave them.

    Nobody ever suggested we were shutting off immigration. We will just regulate who comes in and make sure they are people we want and need and who help boost our economy and  obey our laws instead of drug mules and people putting a strain on our resources.

  I have mentioned before that I made a mistake and entered Brazil illegally for a vacation I intended to take there. I did not have the proper visa. The Immigration people at the airport were very professional but they were firm and I could not leave the terminal. They put me back on the same plane I came in on and they sent me back where I came from. I bear them absolutely no ill will. They were fair but firm and I think the USA should be the same way.

[Southside]

aigheadish,
Very well said.
I too  am  grateful for this forum.
Thank you,Jeff

I agree whole heartedly 47.
 Just to be clear, Harris was not my first choice, neither was Biden, they were just better than the alternative. If Trump has his way food prices will rise, no one to harvest the veggies or milk the cows; he has vowed to roll back federal regulations on energy and the environment, extend tax cuts to the rich, and pursue an "America First" foreign policy; this will put us back in the 20^th century with higher prices and less choice at the marketplace.
OK, I'll get off my soupbox but I do agree with a lot that was said on here. We'll just have to muddle through the next four years.

 Not attacking you here but that is a very inaccurate, over used, and frankly offensive statement. This coming from a guy who does infact milk the cows and pick the crops for a living.  I also hire people to help with that and I can assure you the illegals here DON'T want to do farm work. 

You know who does want to do that type of work now? Young American females who care about their food sources. Yup, all but one of our employees on the farm side is female, under 37 and I see the same thing at other farms.  As a bonus they spend their money here and don't wire it out of the country. 

Trump has his faults, but the man truly cares about our future and this nation. I am involved with some political matters at the state level here in Virginia and I can assure you he is a unicorn with those values in the political world. 

[Resonator]

Local news said we had 96% voter turnout where I live (Marathon county). Will find out from my local clerk what the township voter participation numbers were, but I know from past experience they'll be high.

Numbers were high. Talked to my town clerk today, we had 91% voter turnout in my township for the election. They were busy signing in voters from opening until closing. One friend in the city worked until 12:30 in the morning counting all the absentee ballots.
If you know any poll workers, thank them for the work they do.

[Ron Wenrich]

I saw that Trump has sent in his letter of resignation.  Sadly, he has given up his job making fries at McDonalds.  He has penned a well written resignation letter, and thanked McDonalds for allowing him to be part of such a big national brand.  He said his resignation will be effective on Jan 20, 2025.  You have to admire his sense of humor.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/icymi-trumps-priceless-resignation-letter-to-mcdonalds-is-one-for-the-ages-no-wonder-he-won/ar-AA1tNTia

[East ky logging]

Just so happens that someone that "supposedly " has experience working at McDonald's will became unemployed that day. 

[beenthere]

I didn't directly vote for Trump. But did for the ticket he was on and what I think is now possible to happen in our future.


I voted for the First Amendment and freedom of speech.

I voted for the Second Amendment and my right to defend my life and my family.

I voted for the next Supreme Court Justice(s) to protect the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

I voted for the continued growth of my 401K and the stock market.

I voted for a return of our troops from foreign countries and the end to America's involvement in foreign conflicts.

I voted for the Electoral College and for the Republic in which we live.

I voted for the Police to be respected once again and to ensure Law & Order.

I voted for the continued appointment of Federal Judges who respect the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

I voted for our jobs to remain in America and not be outsourced all over again to China, Mexico and other foreign countries.

I'm voting for secure borders and legal immigration.

I voted for the Military & the Veterans who fought for this Country to give the American people their freedoms.

I voted for continued peace progress in the Middle East.

I voted to fight against human/child trafficking.

I voted for Freedom of Religion.

I voted for the right to speak my opinion and not be censored.

I didn't just vote for one person, I voted for the future of my Country.

I voted for my children, my grandchildren, and my great grandchildren to ensure their freedoms and their future.

I don't feel my one vote was in vain. I'm happy with the potential prospects that now have a chance to continue or to happen.

[thecfarm]

That's a good way to vote.

[SwampDonkey]

It was interesting, I caught a glimpse of a CBC-NB interview with people in Calais, Maine over the election results. Of all the end of the world blat'n (yes some were crying at the mic) to be heard from the Harris supporters.   Well, you could see the bias in plain sight of the whole piece. If they'd had come up to the Aroostook county area, they'd see Trump signs on almost every lawn. :D :D Too funny.  At least Biden, in his right mind or otherwise, congratulated Trump on his win. 

In the local village here, things have chugged along as far as markets and such for fabricated material, through every US election. Grocery store is still there to. Never been much else for decades, except a greasy spoon and a junk store. Only thing we lack is a gas station, which is quite odd until you realize the environmental red tape. Hardware store relocated 3 miles away, but no big loss to me.

[rusticretreater]

The man was president before and times were good, much better than now. Do they really think we have forgotten or do they believe that gaslighting us will really work? The screams from the left are more and more extreme as the previous "the sky is falling!" rhetoric didn't work.  Sure Trump did some things after the last election that a President should never do, but that is part of the cult of personality and ego that allows him to be so effective.

As with most elections, we have to select between two bad, meh candidates, which is why Washington and Jefferson didn't like a two party system.  I am more vote to prevent someone from gaining office than supporting the other candidate in Presidential Elections. The lesser of two evils.

By the grace of God and our founding fathers, the Constitutional system of government allows us to protect ourselves when things start to go awry.  As Kevin O'Leary put it "America did a reset".  

[customsawyer]

I find it interesting that the Dems campaign fund ended in debt. Even after raising over a billion dollars. Don't boost my confidence in their ability to help the economy.

[SwampDonkey]

The perspective from two economists. I follow Richard Wolff, he is one of the honest ones. Have not seen the other guy before, but he's equally well respected.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7iGPm0vloA&t=1773s

[Cedarman]

How does  a democratic donor who gave $100 to the campaign feel that it went as part of the million dollars that Oprah put in her pocket?  If Oprah believed in a Harris win, why didn't she and the other celebs donate some of their excess wealth instead of suckering the poor folks?