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Re: Log prices
« Reply #300 on: August 17, 2021, 07:19:58 PM »
I am in western NY. My neighbor has about 30K ft. of hemlock she would like to sell on the stump. I told her I would try to find out what she should get for it. I am going to take a look at it as soon as our schedules allow. She has had a couple of loggers asking about it and I would like to give her an idea. Assuming it is good size and reasonable quality - what would be fair?

I have all hardwood so I don't keep track of softwoods. With things changing so fast what is the hardwood market looking like? I have been cutting and sawing for personal use so have not looked into the latest pricing. The latest numbers from the NY DEC (winter 21) seem low to me. If you have some info I would like to hear it and also where to find the latest info.
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« Reply #301 on: August 17, 2021, 07:55:28 PM »
A public way of seeing what people will -actually- pay on the stump in NY is checking bids for DEC jobs in your region. They give an "overall" designation of hdwd/sftwd, their expected minimum bid and eventually the three highest bids (I'd there even were any!!) If you open the PDF it will give volume estimate, species distribution and details on the land parcel. I will try to edit this post from computer later, on phone now. Keep in mind these are folks that assumingly meet all requirements (NYLT, insurance, etc) to harvest timber on state land and this may impact bids.

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Re: Log prices
« Reply #302 on: August 17, 2021, 09:10:25 PM »
I am in western NY. My neighbor has about 30K ft. of hemlock she would like to sell on the stump. I told her I would try to find out what she should get for it. I am going to take a look at it as soon as our schedules allow. She has had a couple of loggers asking about it and I would like to give her an idea. Assuming it is good size and reasonable quality - what would be fair?

I have all hardwood so I don't keep track of softwoods. With things changing so fast what is the hardwood market looking like? I have been cutting and sawing for personal use so have not looked into the latest pricing. The latest numbers from the NY DEC (winter 21) seem low to me. If you have some info I would like to hear it and also where to find the latest info.
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Re: Log prices
« Reply #303 on: August 18, 2021, 09:19:09 AM »
Local fellow is paying $650 CAD per MBF ($515 USD) for white cedar logs. That's up from $550 CAD ($435 USD) in January 2021 and $500 CAD ($395 USD) in 2019.
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« Reply #304 on: August 18, 2021, 10:08:34 AM »
Well here is the NYSDEC Timber Sale site. Timber Sales on State Forests - NYS Dept. of Environmental Conservation I didn't see any recent jobs (quick look) in region 8/9 that would give you helpful info but maybe in the future. Interesting to look at regions so far away from me though, one of those Cattaraugus jobs had a single 12"DBH Cucumber(magnolia) in the sale :)

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« Reply #305 on: September 07, 2021, 07:43:47 PM »
I am in western NY. My neighbor has about 30K ft. of hemlock she would like to sell on the stump. I told her I would try to find out what she should get for it. I am going to take a look at it as soon as our schedules allow. She has had a couple of loggers asking about it and I would like to give her an idea. Assuming it is good size and reasonable quality - what would be fair?

I have all hardwood so I don't keep track of softwoods. With things changing so fast what is the hardwood market looking like? I have been cutting and sawing for personal use so have not looked into the latest pricing. The latest numbers from the NY DEC (winter 21) seem low to me. If you have some info I would like to hear it and also where to find the latest info.
I am cutting and selling my hemlock direct to a local sawmill and they are paying up to $330/1000 delivered.
Local concentration yard is paying $240/1000 delivered.
I am guessing stumpage would  be $100 -$150/1000. 

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Re: Log prices
« Reply #306 on: September 28, 2021, 01:06:46 PM »
We currently are getting .12 per bf here.  I'm not sure what the mills are getting, assume it's higher but that is a tough job breaking it down.

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Re: Log prices
« Reply #307 on: September 29, 2021, 08:50:43 AM »
12 cents a foot on the stump, the landing, at the mill?  For what type of logs? 

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« Reply #308 on: September 29, 2021, 09:08:09 AM »
At the stump, delivery isn't that much but charging .45 cents per mile. At a landing it's a bit higher and not afraid to sell to walk ons.

Most bids here are .20-.35 cents at the stump but those are state contracts where you need to be certified to even touch a tree.  They register your chainsaw into a database as well as you tree felling cert.  What happen to the days where you didn't need all that crap, most guys don't touch bids but money could be good.. tough choice.

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This is for softwood, Hard wood is for firewood mostly but there is a 50 mile limit. 

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« Reply #309 on: September 29, 2021, 10:13:06 AM »
You are felling it for 12cents a foot?  Or theyre felling you are hauling?  


The price just sounds really low for anything but a landowner selling poor stumpage to me.  I could be wrong. 
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Re: Log prices
« Reply #310 on: September 30, 2021, 06:00:46 AM »
.40 a bf for w pine  .28 a bf for hemlock  del here to my mill. That's up some. Truckers get .06 to .08 a bf to hall. Off what I pay. 
Getting a truck with a pup today w pine.
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Re: Log prices
« Reply #311 on: September 30, 2021, 06:54:20 AM »
You are felling it for 12cents a foot?  Or theyre felling you are hauling?  


The price just sounds really low for anything but a landowner selling poor stumpage to me.  I could be wrong.
Felling and hauling for .12c  Maybe I need to rethink this, but I thought that was fair.  I use the doyle scale so yesterday I had 11 EWP that were all 36" at the tip almost 11ft, came out to be 1103bf per log.  Minus $160 for diesel, $58 for gas and $34 for lube (cable lubes).
This is mostly for local land owners and I mostly work alone.  If I had a hand I would double that for sure.

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Re: Log prices
« Reply #312 on: September 30, 2021, 07:40:41 AM »
Ahh.. i was thinking you owned the timber.  So that is your harvest and haul fee as a contract logger.  


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Re: Log prices
« Reply #313 on: September 30, 2021, 11:45:40 AM »
You are felling it for 12cents a foot?  Or theyre felling you are hauling?  


The price just sounds really low for anything but a landowner selling poor stumpage to me.  I could be wrong.
Felling and hauling for .12c  Maybe I need to rethink this, but I thought that was fair.  I use the doyle scale so yesterday I had 11 EWP that were all 36" at the tip almost 11ft, came out to be 1103bf per log.  Minus $160 for diesel, $58 for gas and $34 for lube (cable lubes).
This is mostly for local land owners and I mostly work alone.  If I had a hand I would double that for sure.
Something about your numbers is not adding up?
Mills generally buy on even lengths(8.10,12,etc plus 4"-6" extra for trim).
A log 10'Lx36"diam=640bd ft so if you had eleven logs like that you would have 11x640=7,040bd ft
which would net you $844.80
All 36" logs would be highly unusual. I was paying $.12 per foot to cut,skid, and load in the late 1990s and that didn't include the hauling.


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« Reply #314 on: September 30, 2021, 12:06:26 PM »
I think hes got 45 cents a mile haul bill ontop, which puts you back to probably the 1970s for rates.  


I dont mean to make this sound harsh but you may want to do a little market research to be certain you arent shooting your own foot off bannerd
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« Reply #315 on: September 30, 2021, 12:42:55 PM »
Up here where things cost abit more $120/1000 to cut and skid  buck up and pile so log truck can pick it up your for sure not making much money . Things just cost to much . I'm cutting abit of white pine right now with my hardwood and pine is paying a average of $650/1000  on landing . They pay the trucking 

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« Reply #316 on: October 04, 2021, 12:39:18 PM »
Still some upward price on Maple lumber but the Hardwood Market Report shows the first signs of peaking and or easing this week for the first time in over a year. Pretty steep ride up to the crest. Hang on for the drop.

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« Reply #317 on: October 04, 2021, 12:58:47 PM »
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« Reply #318 on: October 04, 2021, 01:06:04 PM »
i just called the tie mill, dollars per thousand:
$600 WO switchtie 
$550 RO switchtie
$550 WO tie
$500 RO tie
$400 SM/hickory/black gum tie
$850 #1 WO sawlog
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« Reply #319 on: October 05, 2021, 09:56:30 AM »
Just by watching what is going on with lumber prices I'm sure thinking there is going to be alot of newer logging equipment for sale in not to much time .  Only thing here is the mills are out of logs so that will help in the short term . The one mill had to go back to 1 shift cause cannot get enough timber


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