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I want to build a table
« on: January 10, 2012, 10:54:59 AM »
I need a side table for my home office.  Never made a table, but since I cannot find the size and style I need, I guess I'll have to make it(like I need another project!).   It needs to be 72"LX24"DX29.5"H.  The feet/legs must be set back 3.25" from the outer edge of the table top to clear the floor heat register.  I saw this table at Crate &Barrel that inspires what I want. 


Although this table is European Oak, It looks like Black Walnut, which is what I want.  I want each side to be live edge with about 1" of sapwood.  The top can be a glue up. 
I don't have a jointer.  I have a Dewalt planer and a Unisaw.  Should I use hand planes to joint the boards?  Should I use dowels when gluing up?  Should I use a spine down the center underside of the table, and two across for the legs?  How should I attach them to the top?  Any recommendation for leg design?  I was thinking Roman style- two legs coming down for each side with a single foot under those legs on each side.
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Re: I want to build a table
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2012, 02:28:14 PM »
I'll tackle your first question: If you don't have a jointer, then yes, you will need to joint the boards with your hand planes. That's exactly what I do with all of the lumber that goes into my furniture: joint one face with handplanes, then thickness with the planer, then joint one edge with a hand plane, then true the opposite edge with the table saw.
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Re: I want to build a table
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2012, 03:56:45 PM »
If it were me, and I was going to have individual legs on the corners, I would use a 3 or 4" wide apron around it and attach the top with table top mounting clamps by grooving three of the apron rails for wood movement. Both apron rails where the grain orientation to the top is 90 degrees would get grooves 3/8" offset from the top edge and on a side where the apron rail is parallel to the top grain, same.



With a table that long a rail in the middle with 90 degree orientation to the top, grooved 3/8" offset for the top clamps also, to help keep it flat.  This would not be needed if your boards where 24" instead of the 72" lengths. The grooved aprons on the 72" apron boards would keep it flat. You could end but the apron rails into legs squared at the top and make two matched 90 degree groves in the aprons with the table saw for a brace block that you would drill a hole through into the leg corners for a holding screw.





Or get steel leg braces and groove narrow slits with the table saw across the aprons for the braces.



In this example I had some fancy hips to attach so the leg is attached on the lower edge of the apron with a screw hole bored up through the hips into the apron wood for extra support along with the table clamps.


Another other approach is to use tenons on the aprons that come in and but one another inside the legs on a 45. And attach with the clamps to the top. My way only requires a table saw to make a single pass for each cut, the 45's and the 3/8" offset grooves. I would use wider brace blocks for a taller table like yours for more holding wood. Although I used three smaller screws into the legs, a heavy screw for table legs would do fine. And flatten a corner of the legs if you use a steel brace for leg attachment. :)

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Re: I want to build a table
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2012, 10:15:08 PM »
Brad,

That design looks like it would be unstable or wobbly. 

I would also attach the top using the table top fasteners that fit in a groove on the apron or leg and screw into the top. 
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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2012, 10:26:34 PM »
Have You checked out? What is available at IKEA?
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Re: I want to build a table
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2012, 10:33:25 PM »
There needs to be some kind of way to brace it that looks nice and doesn't detract from the simple design. 
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Re: I want to build a table
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2012, 01:58:34 PM »
Here are a couple of pictures of a table in Burch Run, Mi. that I took on the way to the Pig Roast.  I hate that I didn't take a picture of the leg/table attachment, but it was like the two center illustrations that SD showed above.
 

 
 

 
 

 
I will probably build something similar to this for the Cabin Addition, 
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Re: I want to build a table
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2012, 09:15:49 PM »
Looks like it is made of good old pine.
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Re: I want to build a table
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2012, 10:04:59 PM »
What really caught my eye was that the board ends looked intentionally sawed from the top side and splintered.  The stain then highlighted it.  Yes it was pine.
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Re: I want to build a table
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2012, 03:09:13 AM »
Thanks for the responses.  Here's a pic of a table that is not wood, but this is the leg style I was talking about- two verticals and one horizontal foot.


I've got to find the material yet.  I'm wondering how this style would attach.  Also I'm also guessing that I'd need a horizontal foot where the verticals meet the table top?  How would you traditionally attach the legs?
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Re: I want to build a table
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2012, 06:48:02 AM »
With some corner block bracing where the top meets the legs on the underside, I bet that will be fine, and that leaves a lot of leg room/working space under the table.
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Re: I want to build a table
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2012, 07:41:48 AM »
I would simply bring the skirt in closer and still attach the legs like SD's illustration above, but I would use hanger bolts to actually attach the legs instead of screws.  That is such a strong method that can be easily broken down or tightened,
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Re: I want to build a table
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2012, 09:27:15 AM »
I just finished a large cherry table.  I gave up on the joiner.  I did it all on the table saw.  Used #20 biscuits and Titebond glue for the top slab.  The steel clips do a splendid job attaching the top to the skirt.  If you don't use a skirt for your table, you need some serious method to prevent racking of the legs.  Start now on experimenting for the desired finish.  Find a wide-belt sander you can use to finish sand the top.  It's too easy and leaves a beautiful, smooth, flat surface.  Take your time, and spend twice as much time thinking as you do cutting.  Regards, Clark

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Re: I want to build a table
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2012, 06:17:58 AM »
What about a board running the length of the underside of the table with the legs mortised in and some small angle braces to prevent racking.  You could make it like a sub! assembly and the just mount the leg assembly to the top with as many screws as it takes to make you feel comfortable and then plug all the holes of course. :)

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Re: I want to build a table
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2012, 09:31:45 PM »
How about something like this?  I built this as a single leg per end trestle table, but it could easily be adapted to a two leg version.  If you look at the end view you'll see 2 walnut plugs.  Underneath these are hex bolts that pass through the leg assembly and daylight into a mortice in the stretcher that runs parallel to the length of the table.  The stretcher is morticed into the leg assemblies, but not glued.  I wanted this to be portable so the entire thing can be broken down into its individual parts.  Once the bolts are cranked tight the table is very sturdy.       




  

  

  

 

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« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2012, 09:52:10 PM »
Axe Handle Hound, that is one beautiful table.  What did you use for the finish?
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« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2012, 10:05:16 PM »
Axe Handle Hound, that is one beautiful table.  What did you use for the finish?

Thanks Ernie.   It's quartersawn white oak finished with a clear stain, two coats of Waterlox Original Sealer, and two coats of Waterlox Marine Finish.  I got the Waterlox for free from someone so I tried it and I absolutely love the Original Sealer.  The Marine finish is a bit soft and glossy for my tastes, but the table is several years old now and still looks great so the durability is pretty good. 

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Re: I want to build a table
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2012, 10:41:20 PM »
It can't get any roomier under the table than that, axe handle.  That looks great, love the q-sawn white oak, too.  Thanks for sharing.
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« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2012, 08:32:58 AM »
That is a beautiful table and very crafty workmanship.   smiley_thumbsup
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« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2012, 03:08:42 AM »
Axe, thanks for the pics- worth a thousand words.  That is similar to how I want to build mine.  I'll probably skip the cleat and screw the top brace into the top.
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