Just wondering if there is such a thing?
I have been milling with a 24" husky bar on my 395 xp and have noticed it tends to flex the harder I push on the saw.Because of this I have to go slower then the saw can actually mill. So I am wondering if there are other bar types that would flex less?
I am using a jobber j100 csm not an Alaskan style.
Thank you
I love my Husqvarna saws but i do not like Husqvarna bars. I don't know what brand to recommend to you, i have been running forester platinum bars on my 372 husqvarnas and so far so good. I am going to buy a new saw in a month or two and i'm going to try a 20" Oregon powercut on it.
Cannons are noted for their high quality, high price, and high weight. Never used one, but it might be stiffer.
You have to keep in mind Husqvarna is not the only source for a bar .On that I have a 32" Oregon bar on a classic old 2100 CD Husky and it seems pretty rigid and an Oregon 24" on a 281 .Hard to say how old they are .
Always seems to be a bone of contention about bars .People seem to worry about weight and forget all about hard nose bars like they came over on the Mayflower or something .I'd say if you could find one which I'm not even sure where that would be that might be the ticket .
Most of the time they are wider which just by that would make them stiffer as long as the oiler was good it should not be a problem .Just don't tighten them up like a banjo string .
Can u change the teeth or depth gauges so the saw pulls into the wood more. If your flexing a 24" bar you must be really standing on it. I mean no offense on your current method. But I know for falling and bucking (which I know is different than ripping) I hate a saw that makes me work. I sharpen it so I can just pull the trigger and the saw feeds itself in to the wood.
Quote from: Pine Ridge on April 10, 2020, 08:01:03 PM
I love my Husqvarna saws but i do not like Husqvarna bars. I don't know what brand to recommend to you, i have been running forester platinum bars on my 372 husqvarnas and so far so good. I am going to buy a new saw in a month or two and i'm going to try a 20" Oregon powercut on it.
I run forester bar and chain on both of my saws and I think they are as good as anything out there. I don't cut every day for a living, but I cut a fair amount of firewood and logs for my mill. First bar I bought was a 28" for my 372xp and I liked it so much I bought a 20" for it and a 16" for my ms260. Others may have different opinions, but they work fine for me.
Firewoodjoe makes a good point.
What is your tooth angle and raker depth?
Does it always flex in the same direction?
Thank you all for the replies.
I don't actually have to push on the saw so much as I have to hold it back. If I let er rip on its own seemed to be when it would go a little wonky on me. I thought it was the bar flexing but it has turned out to be 2 nuts on the saw holder adjustments that I had somehow overlooked.
This mill came with a set of the worst instructions I have ever seen. I am not sure if it is because of the translation from french to english or what , but they are horrendous.
Tightening those two nuts seems to of corrected the issue. So far I have managed to get it to be off by 1/4" over 12 ft. A bit more fine tuning and I should be able to get it better then that.
Cheers
So after a fair amount more time milling I am still noticing my husky bar likes to flex and wonder in the cut. I am guessing this is a drawback of the mill design I am using as it does not have a clamp that holds the tip like the Alaskan style does. I am now once again searching for a bar with zero flex to it .
Cannon bars they're extremely tough in a 32 I can't flex the bar at all well an Oregon or Husky or Stihl bar I can.
Quote from: Skeans1 on January 31, 2021, 11:46:31 AM
Cannon bars they're extremely tough in a 32 I can't flex the bar at all well an Oregon or Husky or Stihl bar I can.
Thank you for the reply . That is the bar I am looking at. It is about 3x the price including shipped to me , but if it doesn't flex and lasts like I hear they do it seems worth it. I am only running a 24" atm because the current mill configuration I am using will only handle up to a 20" log. And the husky bar certainly has some flex to it .
Another one that crossed my mind is the old Windsor bars they're really tough as well.
Ordered a cannon bar yesterday . I will see how it goes once it gets here.
You did well ordering the Cannon bar. I belong to an online chainsaw milling group with thousands of members, so there's a lot of input from guys that are just talking about chainsaw milling. The Cannon and Stihl bars are rated the highest. The Cannon bars are rated the best, by far, for the very long bars. Incidentally, and I'm not picking on any manufacturer, but the 2 bars with the most complaints are always the Husqvarna and the Forester bars. Anytime somebody mentions one of those two bars, the immediate response is to replace them.
Just thought I'd share a consensus opinion from an experienced group that is doing nothing but chainsaw milling......
I know that the only Cannon bar that I have is very heavy (weight wise) and stiff. It also seems thick. That's probably what you want. But like @lxskllr (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=39990) mentioned, high quality and high price and high weight. Plus, they will make almost anything, but BE PREPARED, your wallet will feel it. But WOW, it's good stuff!
Ya they aren't cheap but I am ok with that as it seems like one of those you get what you pay for kind of thing.
Was $245 cad including tax and shipping for the 24" and I paid 89.99 cad +tax for the 24" husky bar when I bought the saw.
New bar should be here by Wednesday
Just let US know if you are pleased.
For an ultimatum, YOU HAVE 24hrs :D
Bar came today . Only 6 days past the expected delivery date which is certainly not too bad nowadays. It seems like it is significantly heavier then both of the husky bars ( 24" & 28" ) I have for the saw. Seems very well made . Hoping to get to give it a go sometime this week.
Its pathetic how the only two things I own that are actually made in Canada are my viking boots and this cannon bar. Anyway I will report back on how the bar performs once I have either milled or ruined a few logs lol
Where in Canada are you ordering this (and other chainsaw gear)? Very difficult to find good prices online it seems
Quote from: rangeroad on February 16, 2021, 01:26:58 PM
Where in Canada are you ordering this (and other chainsaw gear)? Very difficult to find good prices online it seems
I ordered the Cannon bar from Canadian Equipment Outfitters Inc
[font=Segoe UI, Segoe UI Web (West European), Segoe UI, -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, Helvetica Neue, sans-serif] [/font][font=Segoe UI, Segoe UI Web (West European), Segoe UI, -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, Helvetica Neue, sans-serif]It is the only thing I have ordered from them but given the pathetic local shop situation where I am ( sick of the lying and the ripoff artistry ) I am also now looking for a good Canadian online place to order stuff from. After waiting since early December for 2 18" chains for my little MS 251 because the shop kept " forgetting " to order my chains each time they placed an order , today I went to pick them up and was told it would be $100 for the two chains. I was expecting somewhere in the $75-$80 dollar range for the 2. I asked why they were so much only to be told they charged me $20 for shipping. I have never in my life had to pay for shipping from anything from a store or dealer for anything. So this is what dealers do where I live on top of not knowing how or wanting to give any type of actual service. I am actually convinced they have no idea how to do work on a chainsaw other then putting on a new chain or bar. They are simply sellers , in fact we refer to the owner of one shop as " Eddie sales " because he is completely useless for anything else. [/font][font=Segoe UI, Segoe UI Web (West European), Segoe UI, -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, Helvetica Neue, sans-serif]I am a big believer in supporting local but with zero service along with price gouging I no longer feel that way when it comes to my saws. I need to find good online access to parts and stuff and learn how to do stuff myself . I ain't made of money and even if I was I would still feel the same based on principal. [/font]
I have no idea why all that extra stuff is part of my post or why the font changed . I tried to go fix it but it didn't work. Anyway....
Thank You for replying back about getting the Cannon, even if you've not run it yet. I was thinking about this the other day and I wondered. Now I know.
Preservere and you'll get: what you want, how you want it, when you want it, and for a price that's acceptable.
Cleaned up Greenhighlanders post, cause there was a question in there that might be missed...
I ordered the Cannon bar from Canadian Equipment Outfitters Inc. It is the only thing I have ordered from them but given the pathetic local shop situation where I am ( sick of the lying and the ripoff artistry ) I am also now looking for a good Canadian online place to order stuff from.
After waiting since early December for 2 18" chains for my little MS 251 because the shop kept " forgetting " to order my chains each time they placed an order , today I went to pick them up and was told it would be $100 for the two chains. I was expecting somewhere in the $75-$80 dollar range for the 2. I asked why they were so much only to be told they charged me $20 for shipping.
I have never in my life had to pay for shipping from anything from a store or dealer for anything. So this is what dealers do where I live on top of not knowing how or wanting to give any type of actual service. I am actually convinced they have no idea how to do work on a chainsaw other then putting on a new chain or bar. They are simply sellers , in fact we refer to the owner of one shop as " Eddie sales " because he is completely useless for anything else. I am a big believer in supporting local but with zero service along with price gouging I no longer feel that way when it comes to my saws. I need to find good online access to parts and stuff and learn how to do stuff myself . I ain't made of money and even if I was I would still feel the same based on principal.
tl;dr
Greenhighlander wants a decent Canadian supplier that won't screw him over.
Thank you for cleaning it up . I am embarrassed at how many times I tried to and failed :D
I am challenged by 'puters too, maybe it's a Canadian thing. :D I don't know of a reliable online supplier in Canada, at 1/10th the U.S. population the market simply isn't big enough to attract them. Then we have to pay duty and an exorbitant exchange rate regardless where we buy. My local dealer, our own @Paul_H (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=199) works hard to look after his customers and the base is growing as a result. The dealers in neighboring cities not so much, like yours they don't seem to care but are the only game in town and they know it.
Sawguy, that is what makes capitalism shine. From the spirit of competition to the single handed domination. Sometimes it's not fair for the buying public but it's just a matter of time before an entrepreneur goes into that particular market location and shows how competition is going to be, and you'll either have sellers compete successfully or the smaller and less bending person drove out of business. Then you are back to square one.
I believe that's why Stihl mandates their sellers be AT LEAST in different zip codes, preferably further apart than that. But I'm just guessing on that last part say_what
We have 3 dealers in our city within a couple miles of each other
Was just looking over the new cannon bar before putting it on the saw . Noticed that the gaps around the tip weren't even and on one side the rails don't line up right . There isn't any play in it.
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Not sure what to make of this so I figured I would come ask the experts. Is it a big deal or good to go ?
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@Greenhighlander (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=49686)
Both of my bars are like that my 60" more so then my 32.
Quote from: Skeans1 on February 19, 2021, 09:59:45 AM
@Greenhighlander (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=49686)
Both of my bars are like that my 60" more so then my 32.
Thank you for the reply. I always error on the side of caution and I guess this is an example of being over cautious haha
Time to put er on and give it a go
Quote from: Greenhighlander on February 19, 2021, 10:08:37 AM
Quote from: Skeans1 on February 19, 2021, 09:59:45 AM
@Greenhighlander (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=49686)
Both of my bars are like that my 60" more so then my 32.
Thank you for the reply. I always error on the side of caution and I guess this is an example of being over cautious haha
Time to put er on and give it a go
If you would like I can get a picture of them for if that would help any.
Quote from: lxskllr on February 16, 2021, 06:54:51 PMAfter waiting since early December for 2 18" chains for my little MS 251 because the shop kept " forgetting " to order my chains each time they placed an order , today I went to pick them up and was told it would be $100 for the two chains. I was expecting somewhere in the $75-$80 dollar range for the 2. I asked why they were so much only to be told they charged me $20 for shipping.
Greenhighlander if you ever get to this end of NS I'll tell you were to go.....to get a much better deal on saw chain that is.
Quote from: Skeans1 on February 19, 2021, 10:32:51 AM
Quote from: Greenhighlander on February 19, 2021, 10:08:37 AM
Quote from: Skeans1 on February 19, 2021, 09:59:45 AM
@Greenhighlander (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=49686)
Both of my bars are like that my 60" more so then my 32.
Thank you for the reply. I always error on the side of caution and I guess this is an example of being over cautious haha
Time to put er on and give it a go
If you would like I can get a picture of them for if that would help any.
Thank you for the offer but I have no reason not to take your word for it.
Quote from: Hilltop366 on February 19, 2021, 12:12:58 PM
Quote from: lxskllr on February 16, 2021, 06:54:51 PMAfter waiting since early December for 2 18" chains for my little MS 251 because the shop kept " forgetting " to order my chains each time they placed an order , today I went to pick them up and was told it would be $100 for the two chains. I was expecting somewhere in the $75-$80 dollar range for the 2. I asked why they were so much only to be told they charged me $20 for shipping.
Greenhighlander if you ever get to this end of NS I'll tell you were to go.....to get a much better deal on saw chain that is.
LOL Believe it or not I may of been told just where to go a few times over the years haha
I rarely make er to the mainland nowadays other then to visit family during the holidays but I may just take you up on the offer someday .
Finally got a few hours to try out the new bar . Happy to report it performed much better then the husky bar . Was a beautiful morning for making some sawdust .
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Quote from: Greenhighlander on February 27, 2021, 12:45:39 PM
Finally got a few hours to try out the new bar . Happy to report it performed much better then the husky bar . Was a beautiful morning for making some sawdust .
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Sounds like you did very well for yourself! This seems like a good time to "buy once, cry once" rather than trying to pinch pennies (there's a place for both strategies sometimes). The price difference between the Cannon and the others looks like a lot at first, but honestly, but you can make that up by selling 1-2 slabs, and all the satisfaction you will get using this bar over it's lifetime is certainly worth a little extra investment up front.
The best thing about that Cannon bar, and I got this info direct from one of them in an e-mail, an Oregon tip will fit, when the time comes. I know that for a fact because I recently changed the tip on one. Believe it or not, the most difficult part was getting the old rivet out. The new one went in and was easy to "swell", so all is good. smiley_thumbsup
There isn't really a market for slabs here . I am just milling beams and lumber for my own construction needs. First up is a 12 cord woodshed . Then I have a few bridges by my pond that are in desperate need of new boards along with a shed and a chicken coop that both need some mending .
I am hoping that by the end of all of that and the end of the " millable " logs by my house I will have the hang of it and be ready to mill some much larger high value logs on my other much more remote property , to build the infrastructure I need to move there. I still need to fine tune a couple of the adjustments on the mill to get the lumber perfect .
Also good to know about the tip when the time comes , so thank you for that info .
Quote from: Tacotodd on February 27, 2021, 01:16:59 PM
The best thing about that Cannon bar, and I got this info direct from one of them in an e-mail, an Oregon tip will fit, when the time comes. I know that for a fact because I recently changed the tip on one. Believe it or not, the most difficult part was getting the old rivet out. The new one went in and was easy to "swell", so all is good. smiley_thumbsup
Not always I have a couple Cannon bars one of which an Oregon tip doesn't fit right. They have some that have their name on them or use to for a few dollars more.