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Title: Freezing cold milling tips
Post by: Peter Drouin on January 26, 2016, 05:36:32 PM
 

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When the PV won't stick in the frozen ground I use a block of wood.


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Works good for me.

I use a 12" sheet rock knife to get the frozen sawdust off the lumber.


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And always use this stuff in the winter.


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I wait till spring when it's on sale, and can get it for $1.00 a jug.

The other thing when your cutting frozen log or ½ frozen. And you know the blade is razer sharp and you get waves. Turn the feed rate up so the tooth will dig in and cut strate.
I see sawyers slow down thinking it will help and cut flat.
It will but, you wont get no wood cut. :D :D
So the next time try cutting a little faster. there is a sweet spot for your mill and horse power.
Hope this helps. Anyone out there have more ideas? 
Title: Re: Freezing cold milling tips
Post by: fishfighter on January 26, 2016, 05:43:28 PM
Move south? ;D Glad I don't have that problem.
Title: Re: Freezing cold milling tips
Post by: 4x4American on January 26, 2016, 05:50:02 PM
Good thread, Peter!  I would add that when the boards are stuck to the cant if you're not using the dragback a hookaroon is your best friend, particulary a Logrite.  Those things are handy. 

Oh and I like to shovel the sawdust back while its still shovelable with a snow or feed shovel.  And I always blow off the mill so the sawdust dont freeze to it.  I do that regardless of the weather.  I like to take an o ring pick and clean out the grooves in the guides. 

I found your feed rate advice to work well for me when I was having problems a few weeks ago. 

Also, if they are half frozen and big you can saw em in half and let em sit for a coulple days so they get froze all the way through faster
Title: Re: Freezing cold milling tips
Post by: drobertson on January 26, 2016, 06:24:00 PM
No doubt,  sawing half froze logs for the last few days, a pain, speeds and feed are a killer, reaction too,, 
Title: Re: Freezing cold milling tips
Post by: jwilly3879 on January 26, 2016, 06:43:44 PM
I was at this property doing a footing inspection and saw this method of sawdust removal.



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Title: Re: Freezing cold milling tips
Post by: POSTON WIDEHEAD on January 26, 2016, 07:10:49 PM
Good tips Peter but I hope it don't get this cold down here.  :)
Title: Re: Freezing cold milling tips
Post by: larrydown60 on January 26, 2016, 07:14:41 PM
I really like the snow blower idea. 8) :D
Title: Re: Freezing cold milling tips
Post by: 4x4American on January 26, 2016, 07:46:30 PM
Me too!  I might bring mine to the job tomorrow and make some room!




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Title: Re: Freezing cold milling tips
Post by: sandsawmill14 on January 26, 2016, 08:06:19 PM
dont saw under 30 degrees ;D 
i realize this would greatly shorten some of you guys season but it solves almost all cold weather problems :D :D :D

jwilly i have always wanted a snow blower and you may have just given me a reason :D :D :D
Title: Re: Freezing cold milling tips
Post by: Ohio_Bill on January 26, 2016, 08:20:31 PM
Peter , That is one fine looking lumber shed .
Title: Re: Freezing cold milling tips
Post by: WDH on January 26, 2016, 08:29:48 PM
If the logs are froze, so am I  :). 
Title: Re: Freezing cold milling tips
Post by: YellowHammer on January 26, 2016, 09:13:23 PM
Peter, you are a tough hombre, I think the peavy not sticking in the ground would have done it for me. :D
I tried to saw the other day when it was cold and my plastic dust collector hose snapped in half.  I was done, so I climbed into the tractor cab, turned on the heat, listened to the radio, and dug stumps. Much more better.   ;D

Title: Re: Freezing cold milling tips
Post by: Peter Drouin on January 26, 2016, 09:26:06 PM
YH, there's nothing better than a tractor with a cab. 8) 8) 8) 8)
I love mine, 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Freezing cold milling tips
Post by: Percy on January 26, 2016, 09:33:06 PM
Nice lumber shed and lumber collection Peter... I have a shack with a wood stove in it. Gets used alot this time of year
Title: Re: Freezing cold milling tips
Post by: sandsawmill14 on January 26, 2016, 09:35:57 PM
wdh, yh im with yall last week mon, tue to cold, wed had about .10" of ice so didnt work, thurs day was nice and we sawed a little over 3200 bdft fri it was cold and snowing but i had to go make payroll so we sawed about 500 bdft hit a rock froze to the bark so i payed up and we called it a day ;D

i dont have a tractor with cab but my backhoe does but i have broken all the windows out of it execpt the winshield (it busted but still in place) and 1 door :(  i replaced them all twice and decided to forget >:(  it came from ny but i forgot what city so no ac :( so windows or not its a trade off  ::)
Title: Re: Freezing cold milling tips
Post by: fishfighter on January 27, 2016, 06:07:14 AM
Yep, my backhoe has no windows too. No need here in the south. If the outside temp drops below 40F, I just throw another log in the fireplace and keep warm. Being retired does have it perks. ;D I can always put off things if I want. :D
Title: Re: Freezing cold milling tips
Post by: jmouton on January 27, 2016, 02:23:47 PM
hmmmm   a snow blower , what a good idea,,  just have to keep the bark out of the sawdust,, might have to try it ,,


                                                                                           jim
Title: Re: Freezing cold milling tips
Post by: thecfarm on January 27, 2016, 05:58:21 PM
Snowblower!!!! I wonder if you could open up the second stage,I think that's what's it's called,to allow more bark to go through. On my snow blower the clearance is just about nothing.
Title: Re: Freezing cold milling tips
Post by: terrifictimbersllc on January 27, 2016, 06:06:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nxtz7JoKZlM

Title: Re: Freezing cold milling tips
Post by: Kbeitz on January 27, 2016, 06:18:47 PM
Sure beats shoveling...
Title: Re: Freezing cold milling tips
Post by: thecfarm on January 27, 2016, 06:21:56 PM
Pretty clever you are,you are.
Title: Re: Freezing cold milling tips
Post by: jmouton on January 27, 2016, 06:24:09 PM
i am still looking for the start button on my  shovel,,, :D :D                    havent found it yet


                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                      jim
Title: Re: Freezing cold milling tips
Post by: WoodenHead on January 27, 2016, 07:54:11 PM
0 deg F (or -18 deg C) on a calm day is about my limit for cold weather sawing.  Frozen logs dull the blade a bit faster, but saw well.  Half frozen logs just sends me into waves.   >:(  I only have 28 gas ponies to work with though.  I'm not sure I could increase the feed rate in half frozen logs.  I'm usually just at the point where I hear the motor start to slow as I am sawing under normal circumstances.   ;D

Dress in layers, watch the fingers, and keep moving!   ;D
Title: Re: Freezing cold milling tips
Post by: Andries on January 27, 2016, 11:28:34 PM
Sometimes, the building schedule or log delivery forces me to mill when the weather looks like this:
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Miserable weather, but as the old Finnish guy said: "There's no such thing as bad weather, only bad choices of clothing."
But really, get some good clothes to wear and figure out how to stay dry and warm. That's the starting point for quality time on the sawmill in freezing temps. If you're starting to think that you've got frostbite on your feet, hands or whatever, you won't be able to concentrate on the milling.
I haven't tried the snowblower on sawdust yet. That'd really polish up the snow chute!
The suggestions re windshield washer fluid is a good one. We use the -40 rated stuff because, yup, it gets that cold here.
It works a couple of ways. The boards don't freeze to each other for a few minutes and the sawdust on the mill can be blown off with the leaf blower, as you mill. If the blower isn't used as you mill, you won't be able to gig the head back to the front because the top of the rail will be blocked with frozen dust.
If its colder than -25 C (-13 F) you probably won't be able to keep up with the freezing, then its time to sharpen bands in the shop.
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Title: Re: Freezing cold milling tips
Post by: Magicman on January 28, 2016, 08:26:47 AM
 :o  I see that and think "oh crap".
Title: Re: Freezing cold milling tips
Post by: Andries on January 28, 2016, 10:09:00 AM
Hey, that's not 'oh crap', that's my little known 'opening-snow cut'.
:D
Title: Re: Freezing cold milling tips
Post by: WV Sawmiller on January 28, 2016, 10:18:50 AM
 

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Andries,

  I heard the "Bad clothes" comment in Norway in 2008. We had a day care center next to our office and I saw 3-4 y/o kids out playing in weather like in your pictures and commented to our secretary and she said same thing. Said if the kids did not get out and play in weather like that they would never get to play.

   Prices were high over there but we did stock up on good snow suits for the grandkids and I also brought back snow racers (sits up about 1' high, 2 skis on back and one on front connected to steering wheel). The girls love for me to tow them behind my 4 wheeler. Make a chain of up to 3 and sometimes play crack the whip with tail end Charlie. They don't care if they take a tumble in the snow occasionally and love our outings.
Title: Re: Freezing cold milling tips
Post by: terrifictimbersllc on January 28, 2016, 10:22:56 AM
That's a very nice picture.
Title: Re: Freezing cold milling tips
Post by: terrifictimbersllc on January 28, 2016, 10:23:41 AM
Quote from: Magicman on January 28, 2016, 08:26:47 AM
:o  I see that and think "oh crap".
I look and think "nice clean log!"
Title: Re: Freezing cold milling tips
Post by: Ohio_Bill on January 28, 2016, 10:27:43 AM
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on January 28, 2016, 10:18:50 AM


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Andries,

  I heard the "Bad clothes" comment in Norway in 2008. We had a day care center next to our office and I saw 3-4 y/o kids out playing in weather like in your pictures and commented to our secretary and she said same thing. Said if the kids did not get out and play in weather like that they would never get to play.

   Prices were high over there but we did stock up on good snow suits for the grandkids and I also brought back snow racers (sits up about 1' high, 2 skis on back and one on front connected to steering wheel). The girls love for me to tow them behind my 4 wheeler. Make a chain of up to 3 and sometimes play crack the whip with tail end Charlie. They don't care if they take a tumble in the snow occasionally and love our outings.

Looks like fun . Sure is a wonderful picture .
Title: Re: Freezing cold milling tips
Post by: beenthere on January 28, 2016, 10:56:43 AM
Fun as long as going slow. But can get out of hand real quick, especially if "crack the whip" becomes part of the fun.  been there, done that... and very lucky no one was hurt bad.
Title: Re: Freezing cold milling tips
Post by: thecfarm on January 28, 2016, 12:55:50 PM
 :-X    ::)
Title: Re: Freezing cold milling tips
Post by: Peter Drouin on January 28, 2016, 06:41:56 PM
Quote from: thecfarm on January 28, 2016, 12:55:50 PM
:-X    ::)





:D :D :D :D :D I like to [crack the whip] beenthere  :D :D :D :D ;)
Title: Re: Freezing cold milling tips
Post by: WV Sawmiller on January 28, 2016, 07:36:56 PM
   Don't know what happened with my picture. Just showed up as a little black box so I opened post, modified, deleted and put it back. Looks like it is coming through fine now.

   Actually this was last year. Hope to repeat Saturday if the weather holds. Still just a little too deep for 4 wheeler but should be right Saturday morning. May be gone that afternoon and certainly by Sunday afternoon. The girls love it and I have fun too.
Title: Re: Freezing cold milling tips
Post by: thecfarm on January 28, 2016, 07:40:19 PM
I know I would have fun. And than some!!
Title: Re: Freezing cold milling tips
Post by: Brucer on January 28, 2016, 09:34:34 PM
Warning! If you're going to use a snowblower to move sawdust, first have a good look at the air filter! It might not have one.

I just finished rebuilding a 1981 Ariens ST1032 and I discovered it doesn't have an air filter. There is a shroud that covers both the exhaust pipe and the carburetor inlet. Instead of an air filter, there is a pipe that rises above the carb inlet to just shy of the shroud.

Apparently the theory is that the exhaust pipe heats the air inside the shroud and the carburetor pulls the heated air through the inlet pipe. This is fine when you're blowing snow because any snow that gets suspended in the air is going to melt inside the shroud. Not true of sawdust, though.

My manual shows an optional air filter. Apparently you could remove the blower on this machine and replace it with a lawnmower for summer use.
Title: Re: Freezing cold milling tips
Post by: 4x4American on January 28, 2016, 09:42:51 PM
good call brucer!
Title: Re: Freezing cold milling tips
Post by: terrifictimbersllc on January 29, 2016, 07:53:21 AM
Wonder if there is any potential for fire especially inside like the barn video above.
Title: Re: Freezing cold milling tips
Post by: petefrom bearswamp on January 29, 2016, 01:06:00 PM
BRRR Glad Im here in FL
My sawdust pile gets a lot of bark and edging pieces in it so Im afraid that Id be shearing too many auger pins.
Title: Re: Freezing cold milling tips
Post by: Percy on January 29, 2016, 01:20:48 PM
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This time last year ..... I was shoveling  big time....uuuugggghhhh
Title: Re: Freezing cold milling tips
Post by: WV Sawmiller on January 29, 2016, 01:36:23 PM
Percy,

   That's not shoveling - that's tunneling.

    We got another light dusting now supposed to be 52 tomorrow and 61 on Sunday so I think the end is in sight for us. Hope you guys are as fortunate.
Title: Re: Freezing cold milling tips
Post by: Brucer on January 30, 2016, 10:32:17 PM
So that's where all our snow went last year. Percy stole it.

Not going to happen this year, friend. We're getting it and we're keeping it.

;D ;D