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General Forestry => Tree, Plant and Wood I.D. => Topic started by: Busysawyer on April 15, 2018, 09:33:10 PM

Title: What are these?
Post by: Busysawyer on April 15, 2018, 09:33:10 PM
First one I think is basswood. I am new to identifying trees so please be easy on me.

(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/49432/20180402_113053.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1523841939)
 


(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/49432/20180402_113112.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1523842090)

 
Next looks similar but a little different. 
Hickory maybe?

(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/49432/20180402_113212.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1523842120)
 
(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/49432/20180402_113217.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1523842139)
 
Title: Re: What are these?
Post by: xlogger on April 16, 2018, 05:27:31 AM
here in nc I would say it looks like poplar
Title: Re: What are these?
Post by: Pjames on April 16, 2018, 06:56:15 AM
I second the poplar
Title: Re: What are these?
Post by: Klunker on April 16, 2018, 09:08:33 AM
He's in Michigan, Not what we call poplar up here. Poplar=Aspen in the Great Lakes area.

I would say Ash 1st, possibly Basswood altho Basswood has a habit of growing in clumps, not always but usually.
Title: Re: What are these?
Post by: Southside on April 16, 2018, 09:18:08 AM
I agree with both of you. I thought tulip poplar until I saw the location is Michigan then Ash came to mind. 
Title: Re: What are these?
Post by: Busysawyer on April 16, 2018, 03:05:50 PM
I have to remove these trees to clear space for the milling project. I cut the first one and believe it to be bass woodwood. The heartwood is yellow. The second tree looks similar in the pics but in person the bark looks quite a bit different. Does bass wood normally have a yellow core.  One of the reasons I thought the second was hickory is that it looks the same or very similar to one of the larger hickory that was marked by the tree buyer we had here.
Title: Re: What are these?
Post by: Dave Shepard on April 16, 2018, 08:05:34 PM
Those look like tulip and ash to me. Pignut hickory can look like ash.
Title: Re: What are these?
Post by: Dave Shepard on April 16, 2018, 08:06:19 PM
Those look like tulip and ash to me. Pignut hickory can look like ash.
Title: Re: What are these?
Post by: bill m on April 17, 2018, 06:23:17 PM
Looks like Tulip to me. How about a close up picture of the branches and buds.
Title: Re: What are these?
Post by: Busysawyer on April 17, 2018, 08:22:05 PM
 
Those look like tulip and ash to me. Pignut hickory can look like ash.

I thought the second was pig nut hickory. Does tulip have yellow heartwood?
Looks like Tulip to me. How about a close up picture of the branches and buds.


I would but I already cut and burned the tops of the second one in the pictures. Will be cutting the one I think I pig nut hickory as soon as the weather breaks and will post pics of branches. 
Title: Re: What are these?
Post by: WDH on April 17, 2018, 08:42:10 PM
Yellow poplar, the aspens, and hickory all have alternating branches.  The branching in ash is opposite.

The first pic looks like yellow poplar and second one ash. 
Title: Re: What are these?
Post by: Busysawyer on April 17, 2018, 09:07:28 PM
Yellow poplar, the aspens, and hickory all have alternating branches.  The branching in ash is opposite.

The first pic looks like yellow poplar and second one ash.
Is yellow poplar the same as tulip?  We had a tree buyer mark a few large poplar to buy and the had a much chunkier three dimensional bark. I realize bark can look quite a bit different between an 18in dbh tree and a 48in dbh tree. The large trees he wanted to buy and said were poplar looked like this pic.
(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/49432/Screenshot_20180417-210137.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1524013489)
 
Here is a pic of my son standing near one of the trees I was told was tulip poplar (http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/49432/20180228_184812~0.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1524013627)
Title: Re: What are these?
Post by: Busysawyer on April 17, 2018, 09:13:38 PM
I also found this picture.  The one on the right looks like the smaller tree I'm calling bass wood and the left looks like the larger trees we have that I was told tulip poplar.
(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/49432/20180417_211347.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1524014003)
 
Title: Re: What are these?
Post by: Dave Shepard on April 17, 2018, 09:35:50 PM
Yellow poplar and tulip are the same, liriodendron tulipifera. It is often yellow, but it can also have greens, browns, and purples in the lumber. It is softer than ash or hickory. Basswood does not have very distinct grain, and around here, is full of sapsucker holes.
Title: Re: What are these?
Post by: Busysawyer on April 17, 2018, 09:48:13 PM
Yellow poplar and tulip are the same, liriodendron tulipifera. It is often yellow, but it can also have greens, browns, and purples in the lumber. It is softer than ash or hickory. Basswood does not have very distinct grain, and around here, is full of sapsucker holes.
Thank you. It's kinda funny I had to Google sap sucker and I found out that I've been calling people something I didn't even know what it was. "Ya yellow bellied sap sucker you" ive used that phrase I don't even know how many times and I finally found out where it came from. Apparently they are a woodpecker common to Michigan.  We have numerous pileated and black back wood peckers on the property but don't know if I've seen any yellow bellied sapsuckers. I'll keep my out for them from now on. Look like some really destructive little 8!@#%^&*.
Title: Re: What are these?
Post by: WDH on April 18, 2018, 06:56:07 AM
Basswood also has alternate branching. Look at the branching.  If ash, it will be opposite.
Title: Re: What are these?
Post by: Busysawyer on April 18, 2018, 05:09:39 PM
Well I could tell right away when I started cutting the second tree that it was not very hard wood. After I dropped it i was able to see the branches and the flowers. Tulip poplar it is. At least I'm pretty sure.
(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/49432/20180418_132604.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1524085756)
 
Title: Re: What are these?
Post by: Clark on April 18, 2018, 05:56:21 PM
Basswood buds will be red. None of the trees have bark that I would identify as basswood.

Clark
Title: Re: What are these?
Post by: WDH on April 18, 2018, 08:54:56 PM
The yellow poplar bud is valvate, like a ducks bill.  At the base of the leaf petiole, there is a circle that goes all the way around the stem.  It is called a stipular scar, and encircling the twig at the leaf petiole is a characteristic of the Magnolia Family.  Yellow poplar is in the Magnolia Family.  Also those fruiting structures in the pic are definitely yellow poplar.  You can see that fruiting structure in the pics on this link.

Liriodendron tulipifera Fact Sheet (http://dendro.cnre.vt.edu/dendrology/syllabus/factsheet.cfm?ID=54)
Title: Re: What are these?
Post by: DelawhereJoe on April 19, 2018, 12:53:18 AM
Your little flowers in your last pic tell me its tulip poplar,  I don't know of any other tree with them. That spike and what looks like petals around it, the petals are the seed kinda like a maple "helicopter / whirly-bird " seeds.
Title: Re: What are these?
Post by: KEC on June 09, 2018, 08:52:48 PM
Note that Tulip has white is the bottom of the furrows in the bark, tends to grow very straight, and has a symetrical crown. In the fall you can pick them out with the yellow leaves. When cut, the color of the wood changes from what it looks like fresh-cut after a few days.