timberjack 360 isnt running right

timberjack97 · March 22, 2014, 09:19:31 PM

my timberjack 360 grapple skidder isn't running right when I need power it acts like its not getting fuel I put new fuel filters on on it new water separator filter and I hear like a wining noise in my controls to run my grapple and also how much oil does the transmission hold when its completely empty something just isn't right any advice thank you

Brleclaire · March 23, 2014, 12:58:49 AM

Could be fuel pump. We have a 360 that would run but just lacked power. After changing filters and making sure there were no blockages in fuel line from tank. Replaced pump and ran like a top. The manual says tranny capacity is 8 gallons. Is the whining in hyd. System from valve bank area or by hyd pump in engine area.

timberjack97 · March 23, 2014, 09:42:35 AM

did you replace your lift pump that made it better then the noise is coming from the valve bank area could my lack a power becoming from my transmission

Brleclaire · March 23, 2014, 11:23:18 AM

Yes the lift pump that brings fuel from the tank to the filters. Start with the simple stuff on whining noise. Check hyd oil level and trans fluid level then work your way on down the line from there

timberjack97 · March 23, 2014, 01:30:42 PM

I put an electric pump on to help the hand lift pump wont that help?

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snowstorm · March 23, 2014, 05:36:51 PM

Quote from: timberjack97 on March 23, 2014, 01:30:42 PM
I put an electric pump on to help the hand lift pump wont that help?

if you put an electric pump on it you dont need the lift pump. my valmet and rottne have facet electric pumps. they work well but are not cheap. napa can get them about $100

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timberjack97 · March 23, 2014, 06:50:48 PM

what size pump do I need

what size pump do I need

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kiko · March 23, 2014, 06:55:20 PM

What kind of supply pump does it have? The old style has a lever below it to prime, if it has this one there is a filter inside the pump that cannot be changed. Lift pump must be replaced and of this filter is stopped up a electric pump will not help esp. If the fuel is traveling through the lift pump. If it has the plunger style lift pump, there is a screen at the pump inlet that may be clogged.

timberjack97 · March 23, 2014, 07:37:46 PM

it has the rubber push hand pump I wanted to replace the lift pump but a guy told me my cam was out and that I couldn't do that is that true?

kiko · March 23, 2014, 08:17:04 PM

Cam was out? What does that mean, is the
Lobe for the lift pump worn out? How was this determined ?Check the screen, if not clogged. Check the overflow valve on the return line where it exits the injection pump. This is the relief valve for the lift pressure. When it pulls down is there any engine smoke? Could be a boost leak at air tube intake gasket or waste gate. Also it may be nessesary to check the lift pressure. If you can't do this replace the lift pump.

timberjack97 · March 23, 2014, 08:47:35 PM

I took my fuel filters off and pumped the lift pump by hand and had lots of fuel come out does that mean the lift pump is working ok?

kiko · March 23, 2014, 09:06:10 PM

Not nessesarily, the pump move fuel when not pressurized and still be bad.

timberjack97 · March 23, 2014, 10:00:01 PM

could my transmission be making it have no power too?

kiko · March 23, 2014, 11:00:14 PM

I know these cummins engines like the back of my hand and I have tried to help. I ask questions that are pertinent to finding where the power lose is, but you are just all over the place. Maybe you should check the short between the steering wheel and the seat and I will check out of this thread.

timberjack97 · March 27, 2014, 06:48:03 PM

hey guys I took your advice and put a new limp pump on from cummins but I m still having the same problem when you first start running it for like 15 minutes it does fine but after that it just starts losing power you can be in 3 gear holding in to the floor and barly wants to move its self I don't know what to do next

lift pump

timberjack97 · March 28, 2014, 08:22:27 AM

does anybody have any advice for me?

timberjack97 · March 28, 2014, 05:56:49 PM

hello I need some advice

duckslayingpro · March 28, 2014, 06:20:22 PM

I cant help you with your motor. But some people may take it as you being rude with your last post asking for advice. Good luck too ya though

timberjack97 · March 28, 2014, 07:06:52 PM

I m not being rude I just don't know what to do now

Ken · March 28, 2014, 07:15:50 PM

The unfortunate reality is that many problems can not be diagnosed through a chat room. Although I hate to do it there are times that you are much farther ahead by calling in some technical support from your local Cummins or Timberjack (John Deere) dealer. They may be expensive but if your machine is not working you are going farther behind every day. I know my machine quite well but had to bring in the experts today. Down time is a killer

tj240 · March 28, 2014, 08:12:58 PM

i ran a 360 cable machine and a friend ran another no problems with the one i ran but my friends had prob that sounds like yours the throttle petal is electronic and had to be replaced another problem was in the computer they are animals as far as work but all the electronics will drive you nuts try the throttle pedeal i believe it is electronic

bushmechanic · March 28, 2014, 08:53:48 PM

Man for some reason timberjack97 you seem to rub people the wrong way. I don't think you do it on purpose but you seem to get off on the wrong foot. I think you need to listen more and stop talking. Kiko is likely the most knowledgeable guy on here to help you with your problem, but it seems that you have alienated him. You have to realize that nobody on here is getting paid to help and it is only if we want to help we weigh in on topics. I'm a heavy duty mechanic by trade and as I'm guessing kiko is also by his knowledge of equipment. In order to help there is a process called troubleshooting which will direct you to your problem, it is a step by step process. So when you are asked a question answer it to the best of your knowledge and wait for a response, please don't keep butting in. Power loss can come from a lot of different things but you need to rule out stuff so you don't waste time and buy unnecessary parts, again it's a process. You say it sounds like it's running out of fuel well maybe you have dirt in the suction line or a bad line itself. We can help if you let us.

Firewoodjoe · March 29, 2014, 05:47:04 AM

Any way you can check fuel pressure? If the engine don't change in sound or smoke color maybe it's not fuel. You said works fine for a few minutes well maybe your tranny gets warm and slips. Need to check the fuel accurately. Sorry for your luck

Brleclaire · March 29, 2014, 10:28:11 AM

When u have it in gear and you say it will barely move in third gear does the engine rpm go up like it should. If it does then it your tranny the sound u hear is probably the tranny not your hydralics. Check the fluid level first. You have to have the tranny warm and in neutral with parking brake off to get an accurate reading. If that's ok then call somebody to come check it over. The older 360's have a clark transmission so if u know mechanic who has worked on these that would be good. What year is the skidder?

Firewoodjoe · March 29, 2014, 11:06:45 AM

I'm guessing a 97 because his name is timberjack97. Not sure though. We have a 97 360 with the second engine and 20,000 hours and tranny is good yet. But that don't mean anything