phoenix / goodwill rebuild

[dablack]

GREAT!  We should be all dried in at that point and working on plumbing and electrical (if all goes as planned). 

I was moving the metal around on the 2x4 stack (storm had blown it off) and saw the 2x4 that everyone signed.  I should have had that board in the middle of the stack and not on the edge.  The sun had gotten to some of it.  This weekend, Bill, Andy, and Nancy are coming so I will have them sign what we get done as well.  I also have one of my Dallas buddies coming over so we will have a four man, one woman crew on Saturday!  I will be shocked if we DON'T get all the trusses and down stairs interior walls done.  That means I will have the long weekend, next weekend, to frame the upstairs exterior walls.  After that, thing will slow down until more money comes in.  By late June we should have the cash for roof decking. 

Austin

[dablack]

Well, it isn't Monday but I have a ton to report. 

Bill showed up Thursday afternoon and we spent that straightening some walls that had leaned on me after the rain.  We had to pop the top plates in the corners and trim some stuff to get me back to true. 

Then Andy and Nancy showed up Friday morning.  Bill was here bright and early as well.  Sadly, I had to work so I wasn't home until about noon.  So they got to try and figure out the scribbles I had left them on what to do!



 

Nancy was cutting studs faster than they could put them up!

 

 

The rest of the day was spent putting up a couple of trusses and building the stairs.



 

 

 

We started Saturday morning with a nailing lesson from from Bill!



 

Then Andy built a table for the kids!



 

By the time we went down for lunch, the house looked like this.



 

This was for dessert!  Madeline made it herself.



 

The afternoon we used to finish up the trusses. 



 

The forks that Bill built were VERY HANDY!



 



 

Nancy had fun with the kids during breaks the rest of the time she was handing up the nail gun and helping lift.



 

We were done by 4:30 and everyone hit the road.  We got so much done this weekend.  Andy, Nancy, and Bill were a huge help!  What a blessing their visit was!

Austin

[Den-Den]

It looks great, sounds like there was some good teamwork going on.

[Magicman]

And the Heart continues to beat.   

[grweldon]

Great job guys!  It's exciting to watch!

[thecfarm]

Yes it is exciting to watch. A very good thread for us and you to watch your progress and you will be able to view it for years to come. 

[dablack]

Well, I don't know how Andy and Bill feel today but I took Sunday completely OFF!  Those trusses wore me out!  My right knee is swollen and that hamstring keeps tightening up when I sit down for more than 5 minutes.  I went to work this morning so I could rest more!  HA!  I had a ton of fun with the guys and Nancy.  I think if I would have had them for another couple of hours, I would have had to go pick up some shingles!

I don't know if I'm going to get anything done after work with this knee but if it isn't feeling so bad I will brace up some walls a little more and make sure all the trusses are nailed down tight.  The rest of the week will be OSB for the exterior surfaces of the trusses trusses and 1x material for the subfloor.  This next weekend, if the subfloor is done, I will start the upstairs exterior walls. 

Austin

[Papa1stuff]

I have a dumb question, why are the trusses so high (2 ft) lot of space between floors? ???

[dablack]

Not a dumb question at all, and in fact it is a very technical.  It is about how the truss resolves the horizontal forces.  The trusses take the load above them and puts that load into the tops of the exterior walls.  My load bearing walls are 26' apart.   None of my interior walls are load bearing.  If I had load bearing interior walls or a house that was only 20' deep, the trusses wouldn't be so tall.  Engineered I-joists for my application are solid and have plywood as the "core" and are "only" 16" tall.  The reason I went w the trusses are two fold.   Since I'm building a two story I would have needed two sets of engineered I-joists that would cost $6k.  Then I would have had to frame up the attic on top.   I went w trusses.   The floor trusses and attic trusses were only a little more and the attic trusses mean I can just set them and the attic is framed.   The second reason is with the open floor trusses, it makes it easy to run the ac vents, plumbing, and wiring.  Engineered I joist would have required drilling in allowed areas to run the wiring and plumbing through.   AC wouldn't have fit at all. 

Austin

[Bill Gaiche]

I got home Sat. night @ 11pm. Shoulders were sore the next day but not bad. Didn't do anything on Sunday. Tilled garden this morning and went over and got the sycamore out of the kiln for a dinning table for niece.. Will put in some juniper tomorrow so I can finish up gun case. Austin, sometimes the day jobs are easier than what was done this past week. Andy probably went down and bought himself a new ladder for practice. bg

[Andy White]

Austin,
Yesterday was pretty rough on this old fat man! After I got moving around a little, things started working better. You and Bill done a really good thing by keeping those ladders away from me, I'd still be horizontal today. Had a great time, and will be getting back for another round of "Black's Weekend Health Spa". Looks like work will be getting in the way until after the first week of June. I will be working on designs for your upcoming cabinets for the bosses approval. Call if you need, and keep up the great work. You'll be done before you know it.                 Andy

[Magicman]

You guys are the bestest.  8)

[dablack]

Lynn,

It is true.  Those guys are indeed the bestest!  Bill can even see the future!  Thursday evening he said, "I wouldn't do that Austin!  That truss is going to go over the wall."  I said that it would be fine.  Sure enough.....there it went.  To save face I told him that I had gotten mad and threw it over the wall! 

The kids have asked more than once when are your friends coming back over.  We were laughing so much, to the kids we were just playing.

Austin

[dablack]

Finally got more done on the house build. 

This weekend was spent bracing up the floor trusses and making sure they were square.  Then the rest of the time was spent cutting sub-floor boards.  The subfloor is all 1x material that is random width felled, cut, and stacked by the goodwill crew back in Dec. 

I cut until I had enough of one width to make it across the floor trusses and then momma would hand it up to me and I would nail it down.  Still lots more to do but now that we have a couple of rows down, it should go a little more quickly.  We will be living with the subfloor for a while because we don't have enough oak to put down.  I will rent a floor sander, smooth it out and put some poly on it.  It will work great for a year or so. 



 

My lumber stack keeps getting smaller!



 

Austin

[beenthere]

Austin
You are laying it at 90° to the trusses.

Now wondering which direction you will lay the oak flooring when that time comes??

The subfloor at an angle is a good reason to then allow the oak flooring to be put down at 90° to the trusses.
Flooring parallel to the trusses not such a good idea IMO

[dablack]

I really appreciate the input.  I thought and thought about putting the subfloor on at an angle but the pieces are just too short.  The rough cut pieces are all about 100-110" long so when I cut off the rough ends, I'm not getting anything over 8'.  Assuming an 8" wide board, cut to 96" long with my chop saw, that board gives me 5 1/3 sqft of sub floor.  My little chop saw will only cut stuff 7" wide or less.  Anything wider and I have to flip it over and finish the cut. 

If I went on a 45 degree angle with that same board, I would have to cut the board to 98.5" in length and then cut two 45s on the ends.  This gives me 5 sqft and it is a whole lot more cutting and flipping and saw adjustments.  In fact, I think it would be easier to just use a circular saw which would slow me down even more.  Plus some of my boards are 12" wide.  That is 8 sqft vs 7.5 sqft for sq cut vs 45 degree. 

With the loss of sqft and the time it would take, I just went with square cut and putting the subfloor 90 degree to the floor trusses. 

What do you think will happen to the oak floor with it set parallel to the floor trusses?

thanks
Austin

[Andy White]

Austin,
Looking good on the floor. If you have any doubts about the oak flooring, just deck the subfloor with a layer of 1/2" plywood at 90°
to the subfloor, then run the oak any way you want. I think tho, I would run it perpendicular to the trusses for the most support. If your lumber pile runs out before your framing is finished, we'll cut some more!  You can come get my saw, and set it up and saw, saw, saw.
Nancy and I will try to get another weekend scheduled for helping. Stay safe, and keep up the good work.
Andy

[Magicman]

You are looking good as usual.   

I would not lay the flooring parallel to the trusses.  45° is fine and actually standard for subflooring, but it does have flaws/drawbacks, creates more waste, and also there is more unsupported distance between the joists/trusses. 

On my Cabin Addition, I used a belt sander with 30 grit to smooth the subflooring.  It was laid perpendicular to the floor joist and so is the flooring.  (See Reply 444 & 457)

[Magicman]

If your lumber pile runs out before your framing is finished, we'll cut some more!

I will come back.   

[dablack]

Beenthere,

I looked into the "subfloor on a 45" thing a little bit more.  I wanted to know if it was just to reduce bounce or what.  The only thing I could find had to do with bounce in the floor.  With the subfloor on a 45 that allows you to install the finished floor across the floor joists or trusses.  That way both the subfloor and finished floor bridge the supporting joists or trusses resulting in a very stiff floor. 

My subfloor, after sanding should be 15/16 to 1" thick.  My floor trusses are 3.5" wide and set at 16" OC.  That leaves a gap of 12.5" to span.  I will be living with just the subfloor for a while so if there is any bounce, I will drop in some thin ply like Andy said.  I really appreciate your input.  It really made me think.  I will leave this one up in the air until later. 

Andy,

I think my lumber pile will make it to the finish.  I was showing the shrinking pile as proof that the wood is actually being used to build the house.  With that being said, I am going to have to cut more oak later.  We would love to see you and Nancy again.  We had a great time last time.  I hadn't done much since that weekend.  I did something harsh to my knee that last day and work got crazy too.  This past weekend was my first chance to really get back into it.  I even let Stacey run the chop saw.  She isn't as fast as Nancy yet but she got it done!

Austin

[dablack]

You are looking good as usual.   

I used a belt sander with 30 grit to smooth the subflooring.  It was laid perpendicular to the floor joist and so is the flooring.  (See Reply 444 & 457)

I remember reading that and I never noticed that the subfloor and finished floor were going to same way!  Since we will be living on the subfloor for a while, I will hit it with 30 to get it smooth and then take a little smoother than that to get where it will take poly ok.

If I remember correctly, you cut enough that I would have extra of whatever I needed.  I do want you to come back but I sure don't want you to have to haul that saw across state lines without proper signage!  Plus, Andy is going to let me loose on some old oak on his mill. 

Austin

[Magicman]

If you went back to where I laid my floor joist, you would see that they were 2X12's on 16" OC.  I used 1X6 SYP (same as yours) for subflooring and there was no bounce.


 
I sawed this cabin which was 2X12's on 24" OC.  1X6 SYP subflooring and 1X6 Red Oak were laid all perpendicular to the joist.  No problems.

Don't worry about me pulling the sawmill.  You have it covered, but if you need me, I'll bring the Orange back.   

[dablack]

I think that cabin is picture perfect.  Love that porch! 

The only problem I see is that weird tree over on the right.  Looks like a giant weed!  I think I have a bunch of those over here too!

Austin

[Magicman]

Yes, very Sweetgummery for sure.

That cabin won 1st place in the 2011 Wood-Mizer Personal Best contest.  It is a 16'X24' cabin with a 6' front porch and a full 20'X24' open carport on the back.  (My last year's win was also a 16'X24' building.)

[grweldon]

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