Felling saw

[CX3]

Ok I think I will get the 395 husky.  Im not going to spend 1250 on the 661 and be upset with performance like I have been with the 660.  I guess I too can buy some thread lock and tighten a screw or two.  And replace a bolt now and then,  Thanks for the input

And I would have to agree on the skip tooth chain on the 18 inch bar.  You could not do my type of cutting with that setup.  Nearly impossible to bore or use tip of bar for anything. 

[David-L]

I start with a sharpened saw and touch it up at lunch, unless I hit something of course.. And is very quick with the skip tooth ( sharpening and cutting that is ) ,bore cut all the time and it is not pully at all in pine. Limbing is no problem and have not thrown any chains on this job and I have cut to date 25mbf. I am felling and limbing with the same saw. Matter of fact I am amazed how sharp it stays, I am running skip tooth on the landing saw also and use a bore technique to deck the logs off the skidder. That ones a 24" bar. Are you sure you guys know what your talking about. Just Kidding. I like trying new things and this IMO seems to be working just fine for me in this pine. I am self taught in this game for the most part and the way I or you learn is to try things. I will add I have been doing this for over 20years and learned alot. Sometimes the hard way.

[CX3]

It may work in pine, but it wont work in the hardwoods of southern Missouri.  You'll get your DanG gizzard blasted

[4x4American]

the 661 has gotten very good reviews.  A 660 isn't a turd by any stretch of the imagination!  It is a saw that will stand the test of time.  It doesn't shine with a little bar in little wood, a 660 shines with a big bar in big wood.  You might call it a turd if you're using it in the wrong application.  The 461 is a great unit.  My favorite saw.  I have a husky 372 with the x-torq, and that saw is way underpowered.  I have quite a bit of runtime on 372's.  I find that I spend alot of time pulling on them when with my stihls most will run after first pull.  I had problems with one new 372, when I turned it on its side to make a gunning cut or a back cut, it would die.  Full tank of saw gas.  I don't know what the deal was I just gave it back to my boss and got a different saw out the truck.  It was a brand new saw too.  The older 372 xpw's (75cc) had more grunt.  My 372 xtorq has hard time pulling 28"  once i wear out the bar I'm going to switch it to a 24"

[so il logger]

It may work in pine, but it wont work in the hardwoods of southern Missouri.  You'll get your DanG gizzard blasted
[I second this about the skip chain on short bars there must be alot of difference from softwood to hardwood like white oak or hard maple. And we have big timber round here too but seems like once you go longer than 24 on 660 it falls flat on its face. No doubt a very long lasting tough saw but lets all hope the 661 is a whole lot meaner of a beast  :D/quote]

[Dave Shepard]

The 660 was no 066. ;)

[so il logger]

No they reversed the numbers lmao :D My dad cut timber all his life he has ran every saw imaginable. He picked up a 395xp and said well figure that.... I cant cut anymore and now I realize what I was missin. His last felling saw was 660 before that 066 and 064. Before that I have no idea but he has said that they used to mix theyre gas with motor oil instead of mix so hes been around

[CX3]

30 weight non detergent still makes fine mix in a pinch

[Andyshine77]

The issue with the later 660's was how restricted the exhaust became. So restricted in fact port timing had to be changed so the saws could even run. Yes the 660's became miserable out of the box.

The x-torque 372 is a good saw, tuned correctly they have a little more torque than the older non strato 372. They do have some issues with the big carb that's used on the X-torque. I personally still prefer the non strato 372.

7900 is a phenomenal saw!!! However the new 7910 had to be reworked a little to meet emissions, and out of the box they don't quite have the power of the original. The good news is it's all in the muffler, put an old style muffler on her and you're good to go.

18" bar and skip chain on a 7900, you best be running an 8 pin sprocket. Honestly it makes no sense to me, I run full comp up to 32" the only negative is the amount of teeth that need to be sharpened.

[weimedog]

I have a husky 372 with the x-torq, and that saw is way underpowered.  I have quite a bit of runtime on 372's.  I find that I spend alot of time pulling on them when with my stihls most will run after first pull.  I had problems with one new 372, when I turned it on its side to make a gunning cut or a back cut, it would die.  Full tank of saw gas.  I don't know what the deal was I just gave it back to my boss and got a different saw out the truck.  It was a brand new saw too.  The older 372 xpw's (75cc) had more grunt.  My 372 xtorq has hard time pulling 28"  once i wear out the bar I'm going to switch it to a 24"

Any idea who set that 372 x-torq up? Any idea of where it is tuned "no load" rpm's? And if it wasn't setup buy someone who knows how,  how long has it been run that way? Might be toast.... Shouldn't stall. Shouldn't be underpowered either relative to any 70cc saw.

[HolmenTree]

30 weight non detergent still makes fine mix in a pinch

CX3 Actually a high detergent oil is recommended.
In 1986 when I met a Stihl factory engineer from Germany he recommended a series 3 diesel engine oil if Stihl mix oil wasn't available. Shell was the brand he recommended .
I take his word for it as he was one of the top engineers  . His name was Jurgen Wolff. Name spelling may be off.

[4x4American]

I have a husky 372 with the x-torq, and that saw is way underpowered.  I have quite a bit of runtime on 372's.  I find that I spend alot of time pulling on them when with my stihls most will run after first pull.  I had problems with one new 372, when I turned it on its side to make a gunning cut or a back cut, it would die.  Full tank of saw gas.  I don't know what the deal was I just gave it back to my boss and got a different saw out the truck.  It was a brand new saw too.  The older 372 xpw's (75cc) had more grunt.  My 372 xtorq has hard time pulling 28"  once i wear out the bar I'm going to switch it to a 24"

Any idea who set that 372 x-torq up? Any idea of where it is tuned "no load" rpm's? And if it wasn't setup buy someone who knows how,  how long has it been run that way? Might be toast.... Shouldn't stall. Shouldn't be underpowered either relative to any 70cc saw.

I don't think anyone set them up.  Bossman buys em 4-6 at a time and keeps em in boxes til we need em. 

I bought a 372 off of Spike60 and he did a great job getting it dialed in.  I've since retuned it and it's way better than any of the 372's that we had at the logging company, but still my 461 just shames it. 

[CX3]

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CX3 Actually a high detergent oil is recommended.
In 1986 when I met a Stihl factory engineer from Germany he recommended a series 3 diesel engine oil if Stihl mix oil wasn't available. Shell was the brand he recommended .
I take his word for it as he was one of the top engineers  . His name was Jurgen Wolff. Name spelling may be off.

That may be correct.  I always thought non detergent was what I was told.  Hmmm