Pressure Treated wood

[Frank_Pender]

I ave mine    now, and no one else can have any, kind of thinking, Bibbyman.  I know that kind of thinking from city folk.  I have served 4 years on my county planning commission and "herd" it all.

[splinters]

Frank, from the stories of land use in the N. West, Planning board must have been an absolute joy.  I have experience on a Zoning board of appeals.  Which brings up another thought.
Perhaps instead of just hiding in the woods, we should try to make ourselves electable or find a like thinker who is electable and try to take back the local governments. Put some sanity back.

[L. Wakefield]

   Now that sounds like an effective method. There is strength in numbers as well. Landowner's alliances may seem a lot like a 'city' organization, but provides a tool for group consensus and expression. We have SWOAM and SAM. Positive social pressure for sane goals is a powerful tool. And if one side doesn't get in there, the 'other' side will.

   There is a lot to be said for isolation in terms of peace and quiet, and not everyone is a joiner or a politician. BUT- some of the worse types of activity you have been talking about have been totally illegal, underhanded, or just a 'white-trash' type of behavior that is not likely compatible with the person even caring to vote, let alone become active in politics.  lw

[Kevin]

We don`t have any problems up here, if you look at Jeff's Canadian map you'll see my nearest neighbor.

[DonT]

Okay, someone explain to me how,or why this thread went where it did.I thought I was asking a pretty simple question.DonT

[Jeff]

Welcome to the forestry forum. ;)

Just cause you take a certain path into the forest does not mean you gotta use it to come out.

Sometimes you get turned around in there, wander around for days, and eventually Ron Scott comes in and saves your butt.

[J_T]

My neighborhood has been a lot quiter since last fall.The folks that were playing the boombox a half a mile away had a large party in the fall and were out in the feild out back cutting doughnuts and fliped their truck and killed a boy. Even though I called the law many tines to them I would still of took my wrecker and trider to of helped if I had been called.We are 2000 foot from Tennessee in 3 miles on the state line rhoad you cross4 different county lines the closest law is 26 miles. No one else would call the law as they were afraid of these people!! They would turn up their boom box wait10 minuits turn it doun to see if the law would show up. So when my wondows would start to shake at 10 at night it was easer to put 20 rounds in one of my own junk cars! Lots of people around here have had things stolen thus far I have had no problem. My keys are in my trucks my garage is open all any freind need do is take what they need and leave a note. I have come home before to find some one in my drive using my tire changer and wheel balancer. If some one is nice to me I try to out nice them . I let others make the rules they want to be treated by . Hey Tom move on down here!!!

[Frank_Pender]

Well,  Splinters, tht is how I got on the board in the first place.  We had the only elelcted County Planning Commission in the state.   Then I went up against the state Land Use "people" and they brough pressure on a county commissioner and he found a way to do away with the elected board throught a "loop hole".  We all refused to play the game and a couple of commissioners and the state folds were trying to dictate to use.   The last night of the elected board (I had been chair that year) I told the planning director and everyone else in the room to call first or I would turn the "dog" on them if they showed on the place.   Someone in the audience asked how large of a dog I had and I said he wieghed inat about 185lbs. and not to bring a lunch as he would have that for disert.  I got a standing ovation and I adjourned the meeting. ;)

[splinters]

I understand the frustration, Frank.  The last ZBA meeting I attended it was suggested very strongly by the appointed planning folks that we should approve a variande to allow a good friend to build below the high water line of a flood prone creek. This was a state and federal no build zone.  Must be my replacement saw no problem 'cause the area is full of houses. That need to be rescued every time the water rises. Now there is a call for flood control.  
My daughter says that the problem is not stupidity, but wrong beliefs.  People believe that
(1) food comes from a grocery store. farms are involved somehow but not important.
(2) Water comes from a faucet
(3) Poop disapears forever down a hole.
(4) Garbage disapears into a truck.
(5) Lumber comes from Lowes and the Depot
(6) Blacktop and concrete comes from trucks
(7) People who make their living by mostly using a computer are actually producing something

[Bibbyman]

Add to that list:  

(8.) that the police will come and protect you and your family if your house is being broken into at 2:00am in the morning.
(9.) we need another government program to fix any problem we may have.
(10.) a tax refund is free money given to us by the government.

[Tom]

I started looking at Google to find something on pressure treated wood.  I know the EPA has decided that we shouldn't use CCA and has mandated that it be taken off of the shelf but all the info I have heard was second hand from other folks.  So, I typed CCA in Google and was amazed to find that I would have to wade through so many uses of the acronym looking for my target.

Canadian Construction Association, Centre Canadien d'Architecture
Coastal Conservation Association, Career College Association
Certified Crop Adviser, Car Club of America
Common Component Architecture, Canadian Cat Association
Canadian Curling Association, Canadian Council of Archives
Computer Corporation of America, Community College of Aurora
Christianson Capital Advisors, Cyber Cat Association
Canadian Center for Architecture, computability and Complexity in Analysis
Colon Cancer Alliance, Canadian Communication Association
Corrections Corporation of America
........whew!

Then, about five pages down I found the first occurance of CCA as I know it, chromated copper arsenate.
http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/citizens/1file.htm

After all the talk I've heard about leaching of Arsenic into the ground, I find it interesting that the EPA, according to this report, is withdrawing CCA "just because" (if I may paraphrase).  

It is an interesting report, but, if you don't want to read it, the gist of my "just because" comment comes from this quote from the article.
"Although the Agency has not concluded that there is unreasonable risk to the public from these products, we do believe that any reduction in exposure to arsenic is desirable.