A day cutting wood

[Chuck White]

Short......... It really ticks me off when I get into a customers log pile, really making some progress and all of the sudden I'll roll a log down and right behind it there'll be 5 or 6 logs that are bucked 6 feet!

I talk with the customer "AGAIN" and tell him "if you want 6 foot lumber, cut the logs to 12½-13 feet and once they are sawn you can cut the boards in half".

I just hate cutting short logs.

[WDH]

Mills that take cut to length logs have always had a problem with logs that were not bucked correctly.  Seems simple, but it must not be. 

[Peter Drouin]

I all so had one 10'2"  No trim so I paid him for a 8'.
Some loggers can cut a tree and get nice straight logs out of it with 6" of trim . And some can't see where to cut it so you get bananas and no trim. :D :D
But to be fair, When you cut 1000s of logs. Some just don't come out right. ;D

[4x4American]

I tried getting 16 footers but he didn't have any only other thing he had were 14'ers and I wasn't gonna pay for an extra 6 foot of log. 
Some loggers I've bought from give 8-10" of trim.  I like that alot.

It is simple! Measure, Cut! 

On these ones that I got, one side is 8' and they cut it sideways to so that it's down to 7'10"
Usually both sides are close to parallel, but if you get one where they cut it sideways oppositely then you get 8' on one plane and 7'8" or so on the other!

The logger told me that he'd buy the lumber I sawed out of it, then come back and give me some different 8' logs that are bucked 8'6"

[Peter Drouin]

I don't sell 14' lumber, Not much call for it. What's real handy I will call for a load and the logger want's to know what lengths I need. Or he will be going to a small lot like this one And I buy all of it.
The thing that some loggers like, I pay the same for a 16' or 8' if the grade is there.
Some mills don't want 10' or 8' logs, If they do, they don't pay much for them.

[Dave Shepard]

I would have a specification that the logs be well manufactured. Meaning, cut to standard lengths with trim, cut the knots flush, cut the stump shot off etc. It's not the mills responsibility to deal with the junk that comes off of a logging job.

[Chuck White]

I usually ask my customers to cut the logs 6" longer than the desired log length!

[Peter Drouin]

I would have a specification that the logs be well manufactured. Meaning, cut to standard lengths with trim, cut the knots flush, cut the stump shot off etc. It's not the mills responsibility to deal with the junk that comes off of a logging job.

In a perfect world, I'd say yes, But you can't help sometimes what the [Trucker] puts on .
It's part of the Game. :D :D :D I don't pay for junk logs. ;D

[Dave Shepard]

No, but who wants to deal with the junk even if you don't pay for it?

[beenthere]

Imagine it is the same (or similar) dilemma that the trucker loading your logs goes through... what to do with the 'junk' still laying on the ground. Not hard to figure out what to do with the good logs, but it is for the poor quality.
One can see the mind set that gets them on the truck going with the good ones. 

[4x4American]

If you keep all the junk to the side I guess you could send it for pulp at least, it'd be better if the logger just set em off to the side and sent em for pulp though.

[Dave Shepard]

In my opinion, it's the logger's responsibility to deal with them if they are also marketing the logs. Big mills and brokers won't tolerate this game. They all have a "well manufactured" clause. If there is no pulp market, then the logger and the homeowner have to decide what to do with them.

As a small mill, Peter may have to bite his tongue on this issue. I would do as he is doing regarding culling and scaling back, but show the deductions on a scale ticket, and ask that the culls be back hauled on the next load. I think with a little education, the loggers will start doing a better job of manufacturing. If they are selling to a big mill, they should already know how.

[Peter Drouin]

In my opinion, it's the logger's responsibility to deal with them if they are also marketing the logs. Big mills and brokers won't tolerate this game. They all have a "well manufactured" clause. If there is no pulp market, then the logger and the homeowner have to decide what to do with them.

As a small mill, Peter may have to bite his tongue on this issue. I would do as he is doing regarding culling and scaling back, but show the deductions on a scale ticket, and ask that the culls be back hauled on the next load. I think with a little education, the loggers will start doing a better job of manufacturing. If they are selling to a big mill, they should already know how.

It's not as bad as you think. I got one junk log all winter. And 2 short log 7'11" will come in handy when I need some blocking.  :D :D
Anyway, I can put all that in the Morbark and sell the chips. With a small job 10,000 BF. The logger gave the pulp to the trucker. I think one load and he will bring it to the pulp mill.
I do keep a clean yard. And the only thing I bite is the wife. :D :D :D :D ;D

[thecfarm]

I game from the Old School. I had a teacher that was born in 1923,my Father!!  Logs had to have the trim,6 inches and had to have 8,0,2,4,6 marked on the small end. Logs did not have the knot sticking pass the bark. Even cut into the bark was better. Log was cut for the best straightness,I guess that's a word. No pushing the grade for rot either. Buy logs from us,you was buying good logs. My Dad made sure of it.

[4x4American]

I like that^  one guy i worked for in the woods had us do same thing.  He would rather have us spend a little more time trimming logs

[Magicman]

Of course I do not buy logs, but I do poke fun at the customer's logs.

Occasionally I will jab the customer with; "if you had taken one step closer to the log, you would have gotten the limb sawed off".  They laugh and grab the saw.

I will also tell them to hook that log back to their tractor and drag it around the barn again; "I think they left some dirt back there somewhere".

It's all in a days work.  Live and laugh.   

[Peter Drouin]

What I don't like is the butt flare. I ask the loggers. Your right there cutting the tree down, Can you trim the end up some.  The looks I get. :D :D
Do you other sawyer trim the log before it goes on the mill?

[Magicman]

I mentioned that a couple of weeks ago in a thread about jump butting.  If I need to shorten a butt log, it will almost always be from the butt end. LINK

[Peter Drouin]

I meant the flair is so bad the log won't roll.
Cut the sides off the end of the butt log. customsawyer has a vid where he trims the log on the mill.

[Dave Shepard]

This log is trimmed down to 36". I don't know what it was before. I think I had one that was 46" before trimming. On smaller stuff, I don't trim if it will fit between the guides with no problem.



 

[Peter Drouin]

Thanks for the pic Dave. That's what I meant.
I just think the log fits better on the truck and mill and I don't have to pick up all the little pieces. They don't chip well.

[Dave Shepard]

You would like buying logs from bill m. I should get a pic of the ash firewood logs he is cutting. They are all trimmed up perfectly. 8)

[thecfarm]

Maybe Billm learned from my teacher too. And we cut ALL of the stumps mighty low. And than some. I can remember kinda digging the dirt away from most of the trees we cut. But my Father came from the day of rolling logs with a peavey too.

[Peter Drouin]

Got the customers logs cut, And he wants the slabs too . So I banded them up for him.


  

 

Then one guy came. Will you cut my one 10' spruce log? Yep,  :D :D :D 8) 8) 8)
I had him back up to John. Tide the log to John and he drove away.  :D :D


  

[4x4American]

That's how ya do it!!

I needed a popple log awhile back went over seen a local gyppo logger and he loaded me up two popple logs with the skidder...took a little bit but we got her done!