Employee dress/appearance code

jeepcj · March 28, 2005, 11:52:09 AM

I agree with assie. As for David. ARKANSAWYER, He always puts on a profesional appearence. When I finaly get going good, Will order some shirts and good jeans. just my2cents, Charlie

Cedarman · March 28, 2005, 02:16:47 PM

I always thought it was a young persons responcibility to push on that line as hard as they could to see if there was anyone on the other side.

Faron · April 02, 2005, 07:22:12 AM

Haytrader, Counted them every morning. ;) :D

babylogger · April 03, 2005, 12:01:46 AM

i beg to differ here. a shoddy appearance is one thing but piercings has no baring (sp) on the kind of job you do! nor do tats! when i work i use my "working clothes" they arent pretty, and they are clean, (when i start in the am) but then again when im done doing an8 to 12 hr day im not pretty either. im usually covered in grease and grime and dirt and mud..whichever season it is. does that mean i cant stop at a convenience store after work to buy a soda or a beer because im looking bad for the company? excuse me what planet are you all from? you work you get dirty its as simple as that! if your not dirty at the end of the day somethings wrong!! ok im sorry if i stepped on toes but it burns me when people just assume youre a greaseball and not a hard worker because you look different. theres 2 sides to every story, maybe youll hire someone who has no tats no piercing and is clean cut, and he doesnt do a damned thing? whereas you have a guy/gal who is covered in tats and piercings and has the most genial attitude to your clients and they come back! look below the surface instead of above.

Tom · April 03, 2005, 12:18:19 AM

Babylogger,
you are reading into this conversation something that isn't there. When one gets dirty at work it isn't a reason for an employer to be too concerned. As a matter of fact that might even be a sign that the person is doing a good job.

On the other hand, if someone applies for a job at my company and he has on dirty clothes, is unkempt, hair in disarray and hasn't had a bath in a month. I'm not going to hire him....... or her.

If someone applies for a job and has tattoos all over there face and exposed arms and hands, I probably would not consider them to represent my company.

If they apply or show up for work with rings hanging out of their nose, lips, cheeks, eyebrows and ears, I will send them home.

I don't want someone in my employ who hasn't got the best interest of the company at heart. That not only means that they are a good worker but that they don't malign the image of the company with their actions or appearance. Blatant, in-your-face, disregard for the company image is not only detrimental to the bottom line but can directly affect the ability to maintain a payroll and offer raises to fellow employees. It's every employees job to impress customers positively.

babylogger · April 03, 2005, 03:03:34 AM

sorry tom i would never show up for work looking disreputable, but ya need to face facts, people are pierced and tattoed in this day and age. as long as they are polite and doing their jobs then there shouldnt be a problem right? now if someone showed up in daisy dukes chewing gum and saying whatever then id give them the boot! welcome to 2005!

Brucer · April 03, 2005, 04:04:50 AM

Seems to me you hire who you're comfortable with. The problems don't arise until one of your existing employees suddenly shows up wearing (or bearing) something you don't approve of.

I'm one of those people that just never manage to look neat. Put me in a brand new set of clothes, and in 15 minutes I'll have bumped into something, had a dog jump up on me, or spilled something. I don't recall my mother ever pestering me about my appearance -- I'm sure she did, but kids have that special gene that turns off their hearing when Mom or Dad are talking

. There's one gift my mother gave me, though, and I'm surprised it hasn't come up in this discussion. She taught me to smile. It's a habit -- when I meet someone they get a big, genuine smile.

Think about it -- have you ever felt a little put off by someone's appearance, and then had them greet you with a welcoming smile? Don't you find yourself making allowances for their appearance once you see that smile? I sure do.

asy · April 03, 2005, 05:31:26 AM

Hey Babylogger!

This thread was supposed to be a discussion about perceptions of employees, and whether or not uniforms and first impressions of employees had a bearing on our businesses...

It wasn't a denigration of alternative lifestyles or alternate 'fashion sense'...

If you have a quick read of the original post you'll see where it all started...

asy :D

WeeksvilleWoodWorx · April 03, 2005, 07:56:51 AM

Quote from: babylogger on April 03, 2005, 03:03:34 AM
but ya need to face facts, people are pierced and tattoed in this day and age. as long as they are polite and doing their jobs then there shouldnt be a problem right?

Good Morning babylogger,

Nope. The tatted and steel adornin' folks need to face the facts. They have chosen an alternate lifestyle for themselves. Do I hold that against them? No. Would I speak and or socialize with them? With the right attiude. Would I hire them to represent my company? Not on your life. Could they find jobs if they wanted? Probably at some menial jobs where the person doing the hiring does not own the outfit and has a small labor force to pull from ie.. Minimum Wage!

Now a discrete tattoo here or there or an earring that can be removed during work I can live with, otherwise NO WAY.

Brian

Jeff · April 03, 2005, 09:46:42 AM

Baby Logger, you need to tone it down. Your opinions are welcome but your way of expressing them needs work. "Face the facts".

MemphisLogger · April 03, 2005, 10:42:36 AM

My problem is that half or more of my "boutique" wood customers are tattooed and pierced artist types--they come to me because they like the natura, unrefined and unadorned aesthetics of slab and flitch wood. Ironic, ain't it ;) :D

A doctor that I traded some walnut to for a vascectomy a couple years ago runs an avant garde one-stop medical clinic that handles everything from pediatrics to face lifts. He says that after post-natal tummy tucks and post-nursing boobjobs, his number one service is saggy/distorted tattoo removal ;)

Another friend of mine is a high-end tattoo artist who has gained much notoriety for his ability to creatively amend or trandsform existing tattoos to better reflect the evolving spirituality/religiousity of his clients. :

Can you imagine trying to explain to your final god of choice why you have his/her "competitor's" symbols all over your body? :D

Jeff · April 03, 2005, 11:39:13 AM

QuoteA doctor that I traded some walnut to for a vascectomy a couple years ago

THIS TOPIC HAS NOW CHANGED DIRECTIONS :D :D :D :D

Fla._Deadheader · April 03, 2005, 11:40:14 AM

I immediately detoured at the last fork.

:D :D :D

Quartlow · April 03, 2005, 11:43:20 AM

Quote from: Cedarman on March 27, 2005, 11:42:29 AM
No diploma or GED, go to the bottom of the list.

Guess I won't be working for you then, Sorry but at some point life experience outweighs that piece of paper. Dropping out of high school may have been a bad decision but it wasn't done out of rebellion, it was done out of boredom. It was no challenge at the time.

As for my employment I can go back to almost any job I've had in the past 15 years and get rehired. In fat there is only one that I can think of that wouldn't rehire me and if the truth was ever found out I would be rehired and the manager fired. As for my long history of different jobs, Boredom, that and sometimes I just get nuts watching some one throwing money away. I get really nuts when when they don't want to even hear an idea. Or worse yet I prove to them they are losing money and they still won't listen.

Case in point
When I left RSC I went to another rental company to become service manger for another rental company. The new store was a shambles as far as service went. They where averaging 3 service calls a day. I did what I promised I got our service calls down to around 3 or so a week in side of 3 months. In doing so I spent money, lots of it :D When I started The parts room was bare, a few filters some batteries and that was about it. Supplies where almost nil, we had a bolt bin that was about empty no shop rags no nothing. No welder no torches no air compressor even.

By the time I had been there a year we had a stocked parts room with a value of $40,000. I told you I can spend money!! :D :D Up until this point in time the manger had no clue, oh yeah he new I was buying stock but he had never figured it up. Then we had inventory.

When he saw the figures for what we in stock he had a cow!! After that I had to get all purchases approved through him. Wasn't long till we had no parts again. >:( >:( >:( As a result The amount of equipment that was ready to rent went down hill since we where always waiting on parts. Which in turn cost us rentals which in turn brought down the gross revenue. Not to mention that in 8 months my next day air charges to get stuff we had to have totaled over $7,000 dollars. Even when I showed him all this in black and white he couldn't see it. All he could do was blame me for costing us money and losing revenue do to missed rentals since the equipment wasn't ready to go.

Needless to say it wasn't long till he found a reason to fire me. His reasoning, I wasn't doing my job. I didn't even bother to get mad about it I just went on my merry way. And that branch, closed less then a year after I was fired since it had started losing so much money!! :D :D

SwampDonkey · April 03, 2005, 11:43:52 AM

I hit a brick wall awhile back :D

Quartlow · April 03, 2005, 11:45:06 AM

Quote from: Jeff B on April 03, 2005, 11:39:13 AM
QuoteA doctor that I traded some walnut to for a vascectomy a couple years ago

THIS TOPIC HAS NOW CHANGED DIRECTIONS :D :D :D :D

I just took a wrong turn and refuse to stop for directions

:D :D :D :D :D

Buzz-sawyer · April 03, 2005, 12:29:07 PM

Brucer
You are defitely on to somthing " There's one gift my mother gave me, though, and I'm surprised it hasn't come up in this discussion. She taught me to smile. It's a habit -- when I meet someone they get a big, genuine smile."

I learned as a young person, that an enthusiatic hand shake and a big sincere smile will open MANY doors, that alone may tip the scales on a contract, job, or GIRLFRIEND......... 8) 8) 8)

Norm · April 03, 2005, 01:33:52 PM

Hey wait a minute here! I want to know how many bd ft of walnut a vasectomy goes for.

I really could care less what you look like on the outside, it's what's inside somebody that matters.

Patty · April 03, 2005, 01:34:13 PM

Yep, I think Brucer has pretty much covered it. I don't give a rip about your looks, nor your clothes, nor your back ground. Just give me a big genuine smile and offer your hand in friendliness; you have erased any discomfort I may be feeling inside.

Cedarman · April 03, 2005, 01:37:02 PM

The old cliche "you only get one chance to make a first impression" is true. In the first 30 seconds when I meet a prospective employee I am looking at their physical presence, their body language, the words they use, (do they speak in sentences or one or two word utterances), eye contact, body posture, answers to my questions, questions they ask. I am looking for the answer to the question, "Will they make me money? and Will they fit into our company culture?"

Smiling is a big part of positive body language.

Had a guy call up yesterday asking for a job. Said he worked for me before. I said I normally don't rehire. He said I rehired so and so. (which I had). Said I had position filled. He hung up on me without saying another word. Think he ever has a chance of me hiring him?
My advice to anyone looking for a job. Do your research about the company you are applying at. Talk to someone that works there. What does the owner like or dislike? If the company culture is opposite from what you prefer then either adapt or don't apply. Go with the attitude you are going to make the company money. This doesn't guarantee anything, but it stacks the odds in your favor.
When I interviewed at IBM it took each of us about 30 seconds to figure we were not made for each other. Totally different culture. When I interviewed with Schlumberger we both knew we had a match.

etat · April 03, 2005, 08:33:38 PM

Uster when I would go looking for a job, (mostly cause I'd done either been fired or wore my welcome out somewhere else) ;D I'd try to find out everything I could about the company before applying and asking for a interview. I'd dress neat, look em in the eye and tell em how I could make em money. No kidding. I never had any trouble getting a job but usually somewhere between a year, and ten years I'd wear my welcome out. Finally went to work for myself and even now sometimes I wear my own welcome out! Ain't figured out a good way to fire myself though and still make a living! ;D