Norse/Igland or Farmi/Wallenstein style?

[FTD]

gspren,
Thanks for the heads up!  That is an awesome idea.  

[dustintheblood]

I've had an Igland 4001 since about 2003, and it's still going strong.  It's run on the Case 75C and the Case 1494.  The 1494 only has 10 more HP, but with the weight of it, it feels like way more.  That said, the Igland has performed over and over again.  

I've repacked the clutch bearings once, and replaced one cable when I went with the compressed cable to get more length on the spool.

It's a simple unit but it works hard - pretty much like the owner

[Ed_K]

There should be a show in Keene N.H. this spring also. Just a note to all of you with winches on Put bolt thru the links were the lower 3pt hitch arms hook to the tractor frame the flip clips are easy to get flipped when you go thru high grass on in my case short growing brush on the trail. My arm came off yesterday while hauling 2 large logs. It's not easy to get the arm lined back up. I finally had to disassemble the whole thing then hook back to the winch. This has happened twice in my yrs of low impact logging. Now it has 3/8" bolts with lock nuts to keep from happening again.

[Oliver05262]

Also the Vermont Farm Show in Essex Jct.   January 29-31

Loggers Plus Expo in Bloomsburg, PA.  April 3-4

Northeast Forest Products Equipment Exposition
  Loggers Expo in Essex Jct. May 15-16

[Bruno of NH]

There is a like new Farmi jl290 for sale on FB market place in Dublin NH for $3,000

[47sawdust]

Bruno,I knew I saw that listed as well.I think that price might be more than new price.
Kinda curious. ;D

[FTD]

That's more than a brand new Fransgard V3507!  

[Bruno of NH]

I don't know prices on these
But there are many listed for sale on FB market place. 

[thecfarm]

Ed_K,never thought of that. On my norse there is just about enough room to put a clip on. And I mean just about. They have a piece of steel on each side of it. I almost get my finger pinched when I remove it. Which is not often. The bolts are a good idea.

[mitchstockdale]

I have definitely decided to go with blade style winch for the JD 2032r.  Size like a 350 or maybe 400/450 winch. Now the question is do I want a shorter blade that will flip up, Igland/Norse style or a blade that will allow me to get the wood what seems considerably higher on a Farmi/Wallenstein style?
I am planing to hang the logs by the chain from the notches for that purpose. I don't like the idea of hanging the logs by the cable/brake.  
Potentially, the Norse style will go over stumps better.  I'm not running a skidder though so I am not anticipating being in with the stumps...
Looking for thought from users, hopefully some have experience with both.

Thanks!
Karl

Howdy Karl,  I have also been looking at Norse winches..more specifically the Norse 350.  I am running a 52 hp tractor and the Norse 350 is just the right size.  The Norse 450 is way to big and not worth the extra cost for only an extra 2000lbs of pull which will never be achieved or needed.  From everything I have priced in my area the Norse 350 is the best price for the features that you get..at about $1k less than an equivalent Wallenstein and $2-500 less than Farmi.  I think someone else mentioned this also but take a look at a Norse 290 it is rated for 25-40hp tractors which is really more in your range with a rated pulling capacity of 6400lbs.  Anyhow good luck on your hunt.  When I get my winch installed on my tractor I will try and post up a picture.

M

[FTD]

M,
I am almost settled on a Fransgard V3507. Pulling power is 7250lb.  The horsepower rating is 25-45 so my machine is right in the middle. The PTO height is 19.3" and my tractor's is 20.5".  The 290 is 13" so the PTO will be less of an angle vs 290 when working.  The blade width is 50" vs 39" on the 290 and my tractor with the 2" spacers is 60".  The wider blade will give more purchase on the ground to take the load off the 3PH.  The pulley on V3507 is 51" vs 45" on the 290 so I get I higher pulling point to keep the load up.  The V3507 also has a second lower pulley.  It's only priced $500 more than the Norse 350.  It weighs 408 lbs, which leaves me almost 1000lb lifting weight. The 290 is 320 lbs.  I'd rather have that 80 pounds pushing down into the ground. I like the idea of a larger winch for two main reasons.  First your never working it as hard.  Second is the wider blade which will take the load off the 3PH esp. using the lower pulley. 

I run a 5' bush hog with no problem operating it intelligently.  If I do the same with the V3507, seems like a perfect match for my tractor!

I could be wrong though.  

[2308500]

FWIW  here's my .02 cents
i have a fransgard v2800. used it on a 47 hp landini for years and then on a kioti ck35.  dont worry about engine speed when winching.  Things move fast enough in the woods without rushing it, and i have never stalled tractor engine with winch.

higher pulling point may be nice but it is harder on 3PH components and  if travelling with load hooked from cable, you may find the front end light. I do most of my dragging hooked on the lower bar.

Capacity wise, on my V2800 which is about 6200 pound pull, i have never been disadvantaged. if the log fetches up, usually the tractor moves toward the log.  I have used a snatch block a couple times on some real big stuff but you need to anchor well (especially a small tractor) and another advantage to that is that it slows things down even more.

big winches are for big tractors

[mitchstockdale]

M,
I am almost settled on a Fransgard V3507. Pulling power is 7250lb.  The horsepower rating is 25-45 so my machine is right in the middle. The PTO height is 19.3" and my tractor's is 20.5".  The 290 is 13" so the PTO will be less of an angle vs 290 when working.  The blade width is 50" vs 39" on the 290 and my tractor with the 2" spacers is 60".  The wider blade will give more purchase on the ground to take the load off the 3PH.  The pulley on V3507 is 51" vs 45" on the 290 so I get I higher pulling point to keep the load up.  The V3507 also has a second lower pulley.  It's only priced $500 more than the Norse 350.  It weighs 408 lbs, which leaves me almost 1000lb lifting weight. The 290 is 320 lbs.  I'd rather have that 80 pounds pushing down into the ground. I like the idea of a larger winch for two main reasons.  First your never working it as hard.  Second is the wider blade which will take the load off the 3PH esp. using the lower pulley.

I run a 5' bush hog with no problem operating it intelligently.  If I do the same with the V3507, seems like a perfect match for my tractor!

I could be wrong though.  

Nice... seems like you have the specs worked out and your logic makes sense on all the features.  Not too familiar with the Fransgard but going to check them out for info sake....
Post a pic of your set up when you get it 

[FTD]

M,
Thanks for the positive feedback.  It's always good to get reassurance that you are on the right track. 

Like I said I might be wrong, I thought I was once before, but I was mistaken. :D 

Just got the quote from my dealer and it's a very good price with no freight as they are putting in an order with the supplier this week. 

Need to discuss with the "Boss" before pulling the trigger. 

If it all pans out I'll be sure and post pictures. 

FTD

[W5E2J]

Well Karl, I can speak from a lot of experience with a Norse 350. Great Value. One feature I like is that the blade can fold up and lift sufficiently high that I can hook my wagon to the tractor's draw bar. I have it on a Century 2535 ( Branson 3510) which is a heavier compact tractor.  If you have the blade where it can get a good grip in the ground, you can can pull a lot of wood. The dual pulley feature is nice.

All the winches you have mentioned are good quality machines. Others will tell you to get one or two self releasing snatch blocks. They are invaluable when winching from congested areas. Good luck.  W. Jones

[FTD]

Thank you to all for the feedback.  

I called the dealer and we worked out a package deal to get my tires loaded with "Bio-Ballast", the V-3507 Fransgard with upper and lower pulley, and chokers.  I was already planning to load the tires so it just sweetened the deal.  The price is really good.  Now I just need to decide if now is the time...

[gspren]

Go ahead and get it now! Then bring it to my place in south east York Co, PA and we can "test" it on various size logs, both dropping and dragging.

[FTD]

Go ahead and get it now! Then bring it to my place in south east York Co, PA and we can "test" it on various size logs, both dropping and dragging.

:D

[june]

hey
you can also check the industrie renaud gravel winch its in qc they have god product and you save the exchange rate 28 percent

[Stephen Alford]

   Have had pretty good luck putting a plastic zip ties on both styles of clip pins to keep them in place.

[FTD]

  Have had pretty good luck putting a plastic zip ties on both styles of clip pins to keep them in place.

Little tidbits like this and the bolt idea are what makes this such a great forum.  We all know these pins pop out at the worst time not the best.  "An ounce of prevention" from another is the best!  Saves others from learning the hard way...

[dougtrr2]

Thank you to all for the feedback.  

I called the dealer and we worked out a package deal to get my tires loaded with "Bio-Ballast", the V-3507 Fransgard with upper and lower pulley, and chokers.  I was already planning to load the tires so it just sweetened the deal.  The price is really good.  Now I just need to decide if now is the time...

If it is not too late, consider getting a self releasing snatch block with the package.  For my forest it is virtually mandatory.  Very few of my pulls are in a direct straight line.
Doug in SW IA

[FTD]

We discussed that.  Distributor said he would have to order and it's generic.  I'm thinking about going with a Stewardship Suppliers one. Greg here on the FF makes them. 

[John Mc]

We discussed that.  Distributor said he would have to order and it's generic.  I'm thinking about going with a Stewardship Suppliers one. Greg here on the FF makes them.

Is that Greg whose username is APM? He used to sell his self-releasing snatch blocks here on the Forestry Forum. I have one of them. It works well and is holding up well. It was also a hell of a bargain compared to the other self-releasing snatch blocks out there.
I did have my winch cable pull down between the pulley and the support, badly kinking the cable. (It doesn't look as though there is room for my 3/8" cable to pull in that small gap, but it happened.) Someone else on here had the same problem and posted a picture of their fix: a small chunk of rod welded to the frame just above the pulley - it blocks the spot where the cable pulled in. I'm not sure if Greg has tweaked the design since then or not.

[Tin Horse]

We discussed that.  Distributor said he would have to order and it's generic.  I'm thinking about going with a Stewardship Suppliers one. Greg here on the FF makes them.

Is that Greg whose username is APM? He used to sell his self-releasing snatch blocks here on the Forestry Forum. I have one of them. It works well and is holding up well. It was also a hell of a bargain compared to the other self-releasing snatch blocks out there.
I did have my winch cable pull down between the pulley and the support, badly kinking the cable. (It doesn't look as though there is room for my 3/8" cable to pull in that small gap, but it happened.) Someone else on here had the same problem and posted a picture of their fix: a small chunk of rod welded to the frame just above the pulley - it blocks the spot where the cable pulled in. I'm not sure if Greg has tweaked the design since then or not.

Not to cut in but I just ordered there snatch block two days ago from Stewardship suppliers. I believe they're still on sale.
Followed this up from an older thread.