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Started by 21incher, August 15, 2022, 08:52:06 PM

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kantuckid

In AB shops silicone is the often the enemy. I was building a Subaru Impreza coupe for a son who was leaving for grad school in AZ. I'd bought a new front bumper cover (the plastic bumper part we see lying along highways ;D) and it's well know that they have silicon mold release remnants on them. I prepped and painted it 3 times in total! while trying to get him in his car to leave and me with a FT day job too.
Detergents usually get it off. Certain AB polishes do contain silicone and must be isolated from all other AB materials and projects but they can work wonders on a paint job. 
Machine top "slickums" I've seen threads elsewhere go on for a very long time and usually they divide into wax vs. Boeshield T-9 camps. 
I use wax now and then but not very diligent, I'll admit. Thus when I begin a serious wood project I'll clean them up some. 
I will not pay $30+ bucks for a can of wax. ::)
 
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aigheadish

I got a note, upon looking up tracking on my expensive paste wax purchase from Cramazon, that it was running late. They said if it doesn't show up in the next few days I should expect the order to be canceled and get a refund. My guess is they were yet again selling something they didn't have and that I won't be getting it. I'll be interested to see if any of you guys who bought some from Amazon see any either. 
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I am rich.  I found a mostly full tin of Johnson's Paste wax in my shop yesterday that I did not know that I had  ;D.
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21incher

Quote from: WDH on August 22, 2022, 09:29:20 AM
I am rich.  I found a mostly full tin of Johnson's Paste wax in my shop yesterday that I did not know that I had  ;D.
You are only rich if you sell it and I doubt you will make that choice. Instead I see you having a rich looking  finish on all your  builds and shop machines that prove wealth is in the eyes of the beholder 😉.

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Don P

Keeping a low profile on the back row, I squeaked through chemistry so not sure how firm my grasp is but I've been curious and down a rabbit hole. I've been reading an industrial "dictionary", (encyclopedia), from 1875. They describe refining earth oil (petroleum) and coal. This was before common use, or desire for, the lighter naphtha oils like gasoline. They were most interested in the heavier naptha lamp oils. "Naptha" runs the range of compounds from ~C7 to C12

There is much discussion of degrees of distillation, the proper fraction to use and 2 methods of testing for explosiveness of the naphtha (the flash point). They considered naphtha to be the family of light oils that distill from 39°C-~175°C.

They specified that for lamp oil it should be no lighter than that which has a flash point of 120° F and above. The lighter oils, gasoline, benzine, toluene and the other light fractions of naphtha vaporized at too low a temperature to be safe as a lamp oil. There is a cloud of explosive vapor around them at room temperature.

Coleman fuel is light naphtha with a low flash point making it easy to light. It would come over the distilling coil just after gasoline and has a flash point down around 80°F, it is making explosive vapors that a match passed over a pool would ignite at about that temperature.

Mineral Spirits... ~Stoddard Solvent is middle of the road C10 and above, I wouldn't push my luck but at normal room temperatures it should not be volatilizing.

Paraffin has a flash point of about 400°F and distills over above 370°C. Compared to the lighter ~10 carbon naphtha, it has 31 carbon atoms in a molecule.

aigheadish

Welp, I was mistaken, I got my shipment of two greasy (waxy, I guess) cans from Cramazon yesterday. I would have sworn that the can I inherited from my dad was more than a pound but it's the same size as what came. It really should last I while, I think. 
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kantuckid

This paste wax frenzy reminds me of the "TP Crisis" during covid beginnings. Just maybe you all are driving up the cost of paste wax even further?  :D
Lowe's has Minwax for $15 can, in stock too, while Johnsons is going sky high, go figure on that one. 
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tule peak timber

Just bought a bidet and all the wax I could find. I'm covered at both ends  8) 8) 8)
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reride82

I asked a cabinet maker friend about what he used instead of Johnson's and he said it didn't matter to him as he uses Lundmark paste wax. It might be a viable solution for a commercial substitute.
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tule peak timber

Quote from: Don P on August 22, 2022, 09:41:30 PM
Keeping a low profile on the back row, I squeaked through chemistry so not sure how firm my grasp is but I've been curious and down a rabbit hole. I've been reading an industrial "dictionary", (encyclopedia), from 1875. They describe refining earth oil (petroleum) and coal. This was before common use, or desire for, the lighter naphtha oils like gasoline. They were most interested in the heavier naptha lamp oils. "Naptha" runs the range of compounds from ~C7 to C12

There is much discussion of degrees of distillation, the proper fraction to use and 2 methods of testing for explosiveness of the naphtha (the flash point). They considered naphtha to be the family of light oils that distill from 39°C-~175°C.

They specified that for lamp oil it should be no lighter than that which has a flash point of 120° F and above. The lighter oils, gasoline, benzine, toluene and the other light fractions of naphtha vaporized at too low a temperature to be safe as a lamp oil. There is a cloud of explosive vapor around them at room temperature.

Coleman fuel is light naphtha with a low flash point making it easy to light. It would come over the distilling coil just after gasoline and has a flash point down around 80°F, it is making explosive vapors that a match passed over a pool would ignite at about that temperature.

Mineral Spirits... ~Stoddard Solvent is middle of the road C10 and above, I wouldn't push my luck but at normal room temperatures it should not be volatilizing.

Paraffin has a flash point of about 400°F and distills over above 370°C. Compared to the lighter ~10 carbon naphtha, it has 31 carbon atoms in a molecule.
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kantuckid

Back some years paraffin oil was often used as lamp oil. I suppose kerosene and paraffin are closely related if not the same thing when liquid. 
Many paste waxes combine paraffin and beeswax/carnauba or other waxes and a solvent? I have a gallon can of a naptha/VM&P-> something or other? that used for cleaning oil based paint brushes. No idea about the letters as I didn't even take chemistry.  
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RichTired

VM&P Naphtha is a refined petroleum solvent predominantly C7-C11 which is typically 55% paraffins, 30% monocycloparaffins, 2% dicycloparaffins & 12% alklybenzenes.]

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My dad said he needed to wax the shaft of his trolling motor today.  It gets hard to deploy and wax fixes that.  He pulled out a very old tin of Johnson's.  I told him that it had been discontinued, but with the age of the tin and the amount he still had in there I think he will be good for a long while.
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69bronco

Found a can in a local hardware store yesterday, $9 and change. Apparently still a few out there.  

Don P

The shiny bottom of one can showed at the planer yesterday, there's one more that I know of. I go through a can or two a year, but minwax works on the bed just fine IMO, J&J's loss.

kantuckid

Quote from: RichTired on August 25, 2022, 04:02:33 PM
VM&P Naphtha is a refined petroleum solvent predominantly C7-C11 which is typically 55% paraffins, 30% monocycloparaffins, 2% dicycloparaffins & 12% alklybenzenes.]

Varnish Makers & Painter's Naphtha
Are you SURE about that? :D

In case nobodies noticed, the currrent cost for ANY solvent is crazy! I used to buy 5 gallons of lacquer thinner for about what a gallon is now and not that long ago. Walmarts is almost $22 gallon, paint thinners are also high in any type. Parts of the EV plan huh? ::)
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I've not seen Benj. Moore paint prices rise any here in 4 years.
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kantuckid

Paint prices in box stores like Lowe's and Walmart have gone up here by quantum leaps!
 I make a routine swing by the mis-tints rack at my Lowe's store and have bought many gallons for ~$5, now they range from $9-$25 for a mis-tint of paint that retails for $45-50 or more. All lubricants and solvents are crazy prices now. Seems to matter who has the marker on mis-tints more than the original sales price.  
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doc henderson

i am fortunate to have a neighbor Ron who is a retired math teacher, that paints in his retirement.  he will accumulate left over new paint in the 4 to 8 gallon range.  He is a neat freak (compared to me) and does not like too much accumulation in his garage.  he gave me his Dad's old American anvil, 165 pounds as he got tired of moving it.  last made in 1912.
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WV Adam

This is sad news, one of those things you just take for granted. It worked great for waxing wooden drawer slides. 

I would not use on furniture, but I have used regular old green turtle car wax on machine tops many times with good results. May not be the best or anything, but has worked fine. 

kantuckid

I have a can of garage sale cheapo Simoniz car wax that I use for drawer slides and other non-esthetic uses. It leaves a white residue like most of the older auto polishes but keeps things real slick. 
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customsawyer

Alright folks I went to town the other day and picked up 4 cans at the local Ace hardware. I don't do much furniture and use different products on my machines. So we are now opening this up for bids. :D :D :D :D



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Ljohnsaw

I'm on a quest to get 1,792 Simpson SDS ¼" 1.5" screws for my plates on my cabin build.  I was going to hit my local ReStore and was checking on the hours yesterday morning.  Saw a review of another store out in the sticks (35 min drive) and decided to go there.  They had a box of 2.5" that I passed on but wandering around the store, I found an OLD can of Minwax (light rust on the lid) and a clunking chunk in the can.  I opened it and it was just shrunk a little and maybe one or two swipes used.

I took that and a couple other items up to check out.  I said I couldn't find the price and she pointed to a little 3 penned on the side.  Not bad, I thought.  Then she shook the can and said it sounded a little dicey - how about $1.  Sure - wrap it up!
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