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anybody know how to manufactur corn oil?

Started by Dan_Shade, September 29, 2005, 10:40:17 PM

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Buzz-sawyer

Quote from: DanG on September 30, 2005, 09:28:02 AM
Doin' a little "Devil's Advocate" math, here, how much do you actually save?  FDH say's he can make bio for $2 a gallon, so he's saving about a buck a gallon.  Factor in the time it takes, going to fetch the oil, and the $20 "tip", you may as well tank up at Flyin' J and go fishing. ::) ;)

with used vegitable oils i can and do.........
produce bio-diesel in bulk for 79 cents a gallon.Small scale and personal use.
(however bulk methanol prices will be changing sharply , no doubt raising costs)
i can produce W.V.O fuel for around 20 cents a gallon.

making oil or alchohol from new plants is not cost effective(alchohol is getting that way though :).....Corn as mentioned, does not produce oil at any rate,
soy beans do.
but your costs will unfortunately be sharp to get the oil outta them.
then process to bio-diesel.
A far better method, and systemic use of vegitable matter is to burn straight vegitable oil or waste vegitable oil without going through the process of chemically trans-esterfying the stuff.
the catch is you need to understand a few simple things about the different kinds of diesel engines available, and the characteristics of the kind of veggie oil you are trying to use.

Right NOW.
Is the golden era of veggie usage....low cost, GOVERNMENT subsidised (Dont worry about road tax you can get paid to use the stuff , do to officials that want the government to seem green friendly and encouraging the use of "Alternative" fuel)....really just P.r.

and little to NO regulation.
    HEAR THAT BLADE SING!

Ernie

A very wise man once told me . Grand children are great, we should have had them first

Jeff

The deal is guys, I think, the more and more folks that start showing up wanting that free waste oil eventually turns it into a comodity. 

I can use sawdust and bark as an example. When I first started sawing in the late 70's, both were a waste product. You couldnt even give it away, It piled up and got in the way, and it eventually cost you to have it moved or removed. Today, different story. There is never enough of either and you have customers fighting over it. Last I knew, sawdust was up to 3.50 a yard and bark was at 8 if you bought it 100 yards at a clip. 12 for lesser amounts.
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Don_Papenburg

DanG , you can get mice to take the germ out of all the corn kernals . They are good at that so no training is involved . Then all you have to do is squezze the furry helpers to get the germ back before oi turns into fertalizer. ;D
Frick saw mill  '58   820 John Deere power. Diamond T trucks

DanG

That's cool, Don. 8) 8)  Which end does the oil come out of? ??? :D :D :D
"I don't feel like an old man.  I feel like a young man who has something wrong with him."  Dick Cavett
"Beat not thy sword into a plowshare, rather beat the sword of thine enemy into a plowshare."

woodbowl

Oh Boy!..........First it's dead cat diesel, now dead rat diesel. What will they think of next?  8)
Full time custom sawing at the customers site since 1995.  WoodMizer LT40 Super Hyd.

FeltzE

Around here there is a collection service that picks up food waste from most of the chain resturants, a friend of mine has been looking at the bio diesel for a little bit and got me reading last month..

Looks like a viable alternative to "dino-diesel" not hard to convert from small to medium batches, put out 55 gal drums at collection sites and run a pickup run around town once every few weeks and then run a batch. The primary biproduct is glycerin  (sp). The diesel has a cleaning effect on the engine and you may have to check the compatibility of your seals and hoses to ensure that it dosn't erode the rubber, change the filter often initially then it's supposed to have better lubrication than low sulpher road use diesel.

Tax, UGH, yes you are obligated to pay road use tax on all diesel used for highway ops... just like the cash you make sawmilling you are obligated to report as income.... need I say more. I have never met a sawmiller that I doubted was doing the  right thing


Personally I'm too lazy to go stumpin around geting the used oil at the momemnt.

Eric

Roxie

Ron is correct, twoodward15, specifically for trucks large enough to require IFTA registration, (International Fuel Tax Agreement).  These trucks are required to report quarterly, the mileage driven, the rate of the truck's mpg, from which you calculate the gallons used, and then you must report the gallons on which you paid the tax.  If they come knocking at your door, you better have proof that you paid the tax for that amount of gasoline or diesel. 
You probably could escape the tax if the fuel was used privately for a smaller truck or car. 
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