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Raider Bill

#25
April 06, 2007, 01:21:27 PM
I took this 2 weeks ago at the top of my property. There is alot of this here. I thought maybe the populars were taking over.
While I was there I got to play bull dozer for a couple days!
Actually there was already a old logging road there but still a bunch of fun! I been eyeballing those cat D-9's on road construction sites......... sail_smiley Wonder what they rent for?.....
The First 72 years of childhood is always the hardest.
My advice on aging gracefully... ride fast bikes and date faster women, drink good tequila, practice your draw daily, be honest and fair in your dealings, but suffer not fools. Eat a hearty breakfast, and remember, ALL politicians are crooks.

WDH

#26
April 06, 2007, 03:57:09 PM
Like SwampDonkey said, it is probably virginia pine if you are not up in the mountains.  The way to tell for sure is to look down into the cone.  The tip of the cone scale where the seed was will be a distinctly different color from that portion of the scale where the seed wing was held.  If you can, take a pic of a cone looking down into the cone so we can see the the impression of the seed wing.  In shortleaf, there is no contrast between the part where the seed wing was and the rest of the scale.  In virginia, there is a distinct and noticeable contrast.  A good close-up pic of the cone will settle this question.  Also, take a good pic of the bark too.  The bark of virginia is kind of scaly where shortleaf is not. 
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Raider Bill

#27
April 09, 2007, 12:10:22 PM
Next time I get up there I will take some better pix. I'm amazed at how many differnt types of pine I have found in the 69 acres.
On the high spot where I plan on building it appears that populars are taking over. Is that a good thing? I'm wondering aboutroots,  ice or wind storms. How do they weather those? I'd like to leave some trees close to the house for looks and shade but don't want to take the risk if populars are brittle or pose a threat to my building.
The First 72 years of childhood is always the hardest.
My advice on aging gracefully... ride fast bikes and date faster women, drink good tequila, practice your draw daily, be honest and fair in your dealings, but suffer not fools. Eat a hearty breakfast, and remember, ALL politicians are crooks.

beenthere

#28
April 09, 2007, 12:17:24 PM
Raider Bill
Are you talking Yellow Poplars ?  or something else that is 'popular' ??  ;D
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Raider Bill

#29
April 09, 2007, 12:23:29 PM
Sad to say I don't know. Actually I was told they are populars by a local but for all I personally know they could be redwoods ;)
The First 72 years of childhood is always the hardest.
My advice on aging gracefully... ride fast bikes and date faster women, drink good tequila, practice your draw daily, be honest and fair in your dealings, but suffer not fools. Eat a hearty breakfast, and remember, ALL politicians are crooks.

WDH

#30
April 09, 2007, 01:30:25 PM
They are probably yellow poplar.  Do the leaves look like the tips have been cut off by scissors?  Check out this website.  Do they look like what you see here?  The leaves are distinctive.

http://www.cnr.vt.edu/DENDRO/dendrology/syllabus/factsheet.cfm?ID=54
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SwampDonkey

#31
April 09, 2007, 02:19:58 PM
Yeah I doubt they are aspen or populous. Yellow poplar (a magnolia sp) is more likely as suggested by WDH. Seems that a lot of clear cuts in that region get taken over by yellow poplar sometimes. Not always of course.
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WDH

#32
April 09, 2007, 02:43:34 PM
There is also a good bit of cucumber tree (Magnolia acuminata) in that area.  It is related to yellow poplar and also in the magnolia family.  Raider Bill, try to get us a pic of the leaf.
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Raider Bill

#33
April 09, 2007, 03:17:17 PM
I will next time I'm there which should be the end of this month. Everything was leafless last trip.
I used my new chainsaw chaps for tromping through the woods, They worked great, better than brush pants as when I got hot I just unsnapped the legs. Thanks for the tip!

The First 72 years of childhood is always the hardest.
My advice on aging gracefully... ride fast bikes and date faster women, drink good tequila, practice your draw daily, be honest and fair in your dealings, but suffer not fools. Eat a hearty breakfast, and remember, ALL politicians are crooks.

WDH

#34
April 28, 2007, 11:59:25 PM
Here is a pic of the virginia pine cone with the color contrast that I described earlier in the post. 



Notice that the inside tips of the cone scales are a purple color.  In shortleaf, there is not a very distinct color difference.

Raider,  have you made it back to the property yet?
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Raider Bill

#35
April 30, 2007, 09:24:41 AM
I've been here a week. Been bull dozing until yesterday when the dozer caught fire while in the woods. smiley_mad_crazy
I was about a half a mile back off the roads in a heavy pine thicket and poof!
Drove it out to the road and called the fire Dept. I didn't want to catch about 1000 acres on fire, nor did I want to make the fireman hump that far into the woods to put it out.
Going to break the news to the rental place today.
I got my house site plus 2 more cleared, made a bunch of access trails.
Hopefully today I will get there and take some pix of the pine cones. To me these don't look like them.
While I was dozing I found maple and elm trees maybe some  walnut but not sure about them yet.
Is elm good for anything?
What's the story on sumac? Found them too, not too fond of them always thought of sumac as a garbage tree.
The First 72 years of childhood is always the hardest.
My advice on aging gracefully... ride fast bikes and date faster women, drink good tequila, practice your draw daily, be honest and fair in your dealings, but suffer not fools. Eat a hearty breakfast, and remember, ALL politicians are crooks.

WDH

#36
April 30, 2007, 09:51:41 AM
Sorry to hear about the dozer >:(.  Elm is mainly used as palletwood in the Industry.  Pretty lumber, though, just hard to dry straight because it has interlocked grain. 
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Raider Bill

#37
April 30, 2007, 08:58:44 PM
Quote from: WDH on April 28, 2007, 11:59:25 PM
Here is a pic of the virginia pine cone with the color contrast that I described earlier in the post. 



Notice that the inside tips of the cone scales are a purple color.  In shortleaf, there is not a very distinct color difference.

Raider,  have you made it back to the property yet?
Took some shots today but can't get them posted until I get back to Florida.
The First 72 years of childhood is always the hardest.
My advice on aging gracefully... ride fast bikes and date faster women, drink good tequila, practice your draw daily, be honest and fair in your dealings, but suffer not fools. Eat a hearty breakfast, and remember, ALL politicians are crooks.

Raider Bill

#38
May 07, 2007, 11:06:14 AM
I finally got this uploaded. Any Ideas what is is?
The First 72 years of childhood is always the hardest.
My advice on aging gracefully... ride fast bikes and date faster women, drink good tequila, practice your draw daily, be honest and fair in your dealings, but suffer not fools. Eat a hearty breakfast, and remember, ALL politicians are crooks.

Raider Bill

#39
May 07, 2007, 11:44:59 AM
 And here's 2 more unknowns?


The First 72 years of childhood is always the hardest.
My advice on aging gracefully... ride fast bikes and date faster women, drink good tequila, practice your draw daily, be honest and fair in your dealings, but suffer not fools. Eat a hearty breakfast, and remember, ALL politicians are crooks.

Tom

#40
May 07, 2007, 12:07:40 PM
Raider Bill,
Your camera seems to be focusing beyond the subject.  You either need to use the close-up option on your camera (macro), if it has one, or back up some to give the distance finder a chance to get the subject in range.   You can then, usually, make the picture bigger with judicial cropping when you print it or upload it. :)

Raider Bill

#41
May 07, 2007, 01:00:52 PM
Sorry old cheap camera.
The First 72 years of childhood is always the hardest.
My advice on aging gracefully... ride fast bikes and date faster women, drink good tequila, practice your draw daily, be honest and fair in your dealings, but suffer not fools. Eat a hearty breakfast, and remember, ALL politicians are crooks.

Tom

#42
May 07, 2007, 01:02:35 PM
It'l still work, just give it some room to focus.  :D

SwampDonkey

#43
May 07, 2007, 05:50:33 PM
Quote from: Raider Bill on May 07, 2007, 11:06:14 AM
I finally got this uploaded. Any Ideas what is is?

Looks like Virginia. I've seen it in that area in my travels.
"No amount of belief makes something a fact." James Randi

1 Thessalonians 5:21

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SwampDonkey

#44
May 07, 2007, 05:53:23 PM
Bill, the focal point is at least 4 feet from the subject in order to get a fuzz free pic., with micro it's around a foot or so. ;)
"No amount of belief makes something a fact." James Randi

1 Thessalonians 5:21

2020 Polaris Ranger 570 to forward firewood, Husqvarna 555 XT Pro, Stihl FS560 clearing saw and continuously thinning my ground, on the side. Grow them trees. (((o)))

WDH

#45
May 07, 2007, 05:57:36 PM
Swamp is right on!  The cone pic is Virginia Pine!!  Look at those fabulous purple tips on the cone scales!  I am still studying the second pic...............
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SwampDonkey

#46
May 07, 2007, 05:58:08 PM
Was 75F today and very dry (14% RH) with wind. Your dozer fire reminded me of this, and it's high fire risk right now with all the dry dead weeds in the undergrowth. I don't see many scratching at the fields yet, but they could because the top of these fields by the house is powder dry.
"No amount of belief makes something a fact." James Randi

1 Thessalonians 5:21

2020 Polaris Ranger 570 to forward firewood, Husqvarna 555 XT Pro, Stihl FS560 clearing saw and continuously thinning my ground, on the side. Grow them trees. (((o)))

WDH

#47
May 07, 2007, 06:05:42 PM
The second unknown, the green leaf on the left, sure looks like dogwood.  The arcuate veination is obvious.  The pic on the right, is that dried leaves or is it fruit?  I am consternated on that one..........
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Raider Bill

#48
May 07, 2007, 08:20:08 PM
Quote from: SwampDonkey on May 07, 2007, 05:58:08 PM
Was 75F today and very dry (14% RH) with wind. Your dozer fire reminded me of this, and it's high fire risk right now with all the dry dead weeds in the undergrowth. I don't see many scratching at the fields yet, but they could because the top of these fields by the house is powder dry.
That was what I thought about while getting the burning dozer out of the woods. I would have hated to be the cause of a forest fire especcially if it was mine.
Quote from: WDH on May 07, 2007, 06:05:42 PM
The second unknown, the green leaf on the left, sure looks like dogwood. The arcuate veination is obvious. The pic on the right, is that dried leaves or is it fruit? I am consternated on that one..........
I'm told there are many dogwood trees on the property but I wouldn't know a dogwood if it bit me.
Yes those are dried leaves whatever they are I have hundreds of the trees they are on. I hit areas where that was all there was and going through it was snowing tan leaves bad. There were no green leaves on these trees but when I broke a twig it was live and green inside.

My camera has been dropped too many times as I used it for work. I have to tap it a few times to shoot.
The First 72 years of childhood is always the hardest.
My advice on aging gracefully... ride fast bikes and date faster women, drink good tequila, practice your draw daily, be honest and fair in your dealings, but suffer not fools. Eat a hearty breakfast, and remember, ALL politicians are crooks.

WDH

#49
May 07, 2007, 08:24:19 PM
The green leaf is dogwood (Cornus florida).  The dried leaves, I don't know.................
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