Cedar

[ladylake]

What's the going price for red cedar around Columbia MO? I have a friend looking for 1200 bf or so, wants some white mixed in.   Steve

[CLL]

Ladylake it depends on quality and quanity. Right now 1" is 75-85 cents a board foot.

[backwoods sawyer]

Ladylake it depends on quality and quanity. Right now 1" is 75-85 cents a board foot.

The last time I saw the price on western red cedar logs it was $1,000 a 1,000 bft delivered to the mill. You will have to get real good recovery to be able to sell the lumber for that price.

[logwalker]

Two very different cedars. They are referring to eastern in Missouri.  ;)

[Bibbyman]

What's the going price for red cedar around Columbia MO? I have a friend looking for 1200 bf or so, wants some white mixed in.   Steve

We'll be helping Wood-Mizer do the National Small Farm Show in Columbia, MO. at the fair ground off HY 63 on Nov. 6-8.  Have your friend come out and look us up.  We can see what he needs and if we can help.

[Cedarman]

A lot depends on the grade.  Cedar grade is usually set  for each order and each customer because each customer has different applications.  Mill run cedar can be a good bit lower than cedar that is graded to yield 90 to 100 per cent usuable board.
The only nationally recognized grades are #1 and #2 common.
We sell #1 common for about 90 cents and our 90 % and better usuable board for $1.10 for random widths 5" and wider and $1.20 if width is specified.
Location is souther Indiana.

Bibbyman, just had a call to quote 25,000 feet of v-groove for your area.  I love selling cedar into Mo.  Fellow says he doesn't like the thin stuff that Giles and Kendall sells.

[ladylake]

Thanks everyone. I'll get him to get in touch with some of you closer ones. Bibby how close is in the middle of things to Columbia?   Steve

[Bibbyman]

Bibbyman, just had a call to quote 25,000 feet of v-groove for your area.  I love selling cedar into Mo.  Fellow says he doesn't like the thin stuff that Giles and Kendall sells.

Yea,  you ate his chicken and visited with him and his wife.  He called last night to git your number. If you get the order,  you owe us a dinner!  ;D

Bibby how close is in the middle of things to Columbia?   Steve

We're south of Fulton about 30 minutes from the east side of Columbia.

[Cedarman]

Nobody gets away with nuttin' in the cedar business.  If I get the order, I will make a special trip to Fulton and we will go anywhere you and Mary want to go.  Bring the kids too.   8) 8) 8)

[bck]

[ cedar logs it was $1,000 a 1,000 bft delivered to the mill. You will have to get real good recovery to be able to sell the lumber for that price.

Heard the saying location , location , location?   Around here the eastern red cedar gets piled up and left on site. I have had several loggers tell me there was no market for it around here. I have even had some ( of the workers , not the bossmen ) tell me I can get all the cedar I want for free. because they just leave it anyway. Guess the probability of metal in the logs is to high for the mills to mess with. If you want some cedars to grow just stretch a piece of wire above where you want them and give the birds a little time .

[ladylake]

 Should send some of that cedar up here, people bring over a few scraggly cedar logs and save every piece over 2" square.   Steve

[Cedarman]

bck, gotta love you guys in NC for burning all those cedars.  I wondered why I get a lot of calls from NC and SC for cedar.   Check out River Bridges State Park in SC.  They have some nice split rails, if I say so myself. 8) 8)

Now if we could just get the folks around here to give me cedar, I would be in ecstacy.  The landowners think it is worth a fortune.

Supply and demand, supply and demand.

I know a mill that had a lot of truck loads of logs from SC shipped in when diesel was less expensive.

What we need is a national cedar organization promoting the use of cedar, kind of like the NHLA.

There are billions of feet just sitting out there.  A lot is going up in  smoke.

[Kansas]

I have to agree on the cedar going up in smoke. In kansas, farmers pay big bucks to have pastures cleared off. A little of it gets mulched, almost none of it is logged. The rest is burned.  Its my understanding that if you pellet it, it has the same heat value as oak. That much raw material going to waste that could go into so many products, be it lumber, mulch, fuel, etc. is a terrible shame. I have had people call looking for semi loads of poles for fencing. I would think split rail fencing would be a big hit. I dont think the problem is the market not being there for the end goods. I think the problem is getting people to invest in the equipment that can efficiently harvest  and get it to its final form, wether that be lumber or any other product. I dont see that improving anytime soon with this economy.

[Cedarman]

Takes a chainsaw, safety equipment (chaps  and hardhat), something to pull the tree out of the woods, (tractor or ATV).  Only need logs 6 to 7" diameter and 10' 3" long.  These logs weight about 150# green, so don't take much to pull them out.  Can be split with wedge and maul if necessary.  If you have a hydraulic power source which almost all tractors have, then a long splitter can be made for 3 or 400 bucks if you have a cheap I-beam source or maybe $1000 at most. Just takes a 4" x 2' stroke cylinder to split a 10' log if you slide the cyliner down the I-beam. 

A log 6" x 10 log is worth $17.00 FOB  the landing if split into 4 rails.  To me the hardest part is doing the marketing, which can be done first.   To me, it is fun to visit dealers and show them what we can do.  Make up some rails, build a fence, take lots of nice pictures, make an album and hit the road.  Put a few short rails in the back of the truck for show and tell.

Take  5 and 6" good red post, split in 1/2 and you can make a post and rail fence.

[TexasTimbers]

I thought about you yesterday Cedarman. I sawed out some really nice cants. Quite a few 12" square x 9' - and the biggest was 18" x 18" x 9' solid.  It had virtually no flare at the bottom and very little taper. Wish I could get about 1000 of those. Only two of the smaller ones had any depreicable rot.

The big one was the most solid, and had a flat side and almost resembled a "D" shape from the end. After I resawed it, my wife and I delivered it to a new business south of town in the form of 1 x 8 shelving. Don't lecture me. I did what the customer wanted. They were his trees, and for that shelving I got to keep the rest, and he extended my free harvesting privileges (not that he had ever suspended them) in his hardwood tract where there are more of these cedars, and hardwood galore. 

[Cedarman]

TT, you betcha, customer rules.