In the LOGOSOL Fresh Cut Paper

[ARKANSAWYER]

  Quote from jdtuttle in a PM he sent me.

Just received the Logosol paper & saw an article about your business and the PH260. Hope you don't mind me asking a couple questions. If you do then just delete me.
I've been a builder for 25 years and am now a code officer & will retire in 3 years. I bought a 92 woodmizer LT40 HD24 this spring & found out I'm addicted. I have a woodmaster planer/moulder I have been making & selling moulding with. I have a shop & want to add a more productive moulder & have heard pros & cons about the PH260. Is this machine reliable? parts and customer service good? Any other machines you considered before purchasing this?
Thaks for any help/advice you can offer, & congratulations on being recognized for your business endeavors.
Jim

  Yep! Dave Boyt did a story on me for The Logosol paper and made us look good.  Jim sent me a question so I thought I would post the answer here so if more wanted to know I would not have to type as much.

  What I will say is what I know and have learned from using the machine for the last few years.  We run about 100,000 + bdft a year through the little darling and it sits out side in a small 12x12 shed with 12x16 decks off each end.  I just sit the box in there and it still sits on the bottom pallet as we were going to move it someday.  (day has not come yet)

  What I dislike about the machine. 
   1.  It will only do up to 10 inch wide S4S operations.  (surface on 4 sides)
   2.  The side hold downs are whimppy.
   3.  Chip extration could be a bit better.  (not sure what to do about it)
   4.  Splinters from the outside side cutter will jam a board agin the side hold down bracket.

  Now having said that I will state that for the coin the machine cost it is a good bargin.  It will do what they say it will and does a good job.  If you are going to use the machine for lots of hickory or oak flooring I would get carbide blades.  The hss blades are good for pine and cedar and small runs of oak.  Cost of blades is not bad and Logosol in Mississippi keeps a good supply and I will admit have given me good service.  In the years of opperation I have had two belts go bad ( cost was not bad for them, but not availble local here) and I had the feed drive motor go out.  (cost was around $300)  Most knives cost about $75 to $150 a set and will run several thousand bdft of boards.  Some can not be resharpened (like t&g knives) but others can be dressed some and others sharpened. 
  Setting up the machine is not to bad but could be improved.  Spring loaded top and bottom cutter blades would help alot.
   
   The best reconmendation I can give the machine is "Would I buy it again?"  YOU BET! and someday hope to own a 3 ph model.
  Any more questions?

[karl]

Saw the article- figure it aint hard to make a honest hardworking man look good.
congrats, hope you need to buy that next logosol soon ;)

couldn't have evaluated the machine better- we have the same opinions about our ph260, have even considered altering the holdover mechanism- just havent taken time.
we have had some wear issues with the outfeed roll(I hear Logosol is planning a urethane roll soon)

[jdtuttle]

Thanks Arky, that is the type of performance evaluation I was looking for. Straight forward & honest. I don't have 3 phase out here. Would you recommend the 3 phase with a phase converter or go with 220 again?
Thanks again for your help.
Jim

[ARKANSAWYER]

  The single phase works fine. I would not mess with a converter.  It is when you have 3ph power it is cheaper to run.  The few 3ph power ones I have seen run seem to have a bit more power.  Most of the time it is not a factor but if you were going to run much hickory with carbide knives I would see more power as better.  When I bought mine I did not have 3ph on the place.  Now I do and the next one will be 3ph.

[farmerdoug]

So Arky, I have to ask.  Do those planer shavings work better at filling that hollar of yours or is the sawdust doing the job?  Or have you given up that project? :D

[ARKANSAWYER]

  The plainer shavings are sold.  If I had a sifter and bagger set up I could really make money.  We just blow them on the ground and scoop them up with a tractor front end loader and sell it by the truck load.   Need to build several hoppers and seperate the different type of chips.  I pull bring in good coin for straight cedar shavings.
  We are still filling the holler but the rain keeps running off with it.  I think I am going to get about a 3 ft thick layer down and grow sod grass on it.  Then scrap it up and sell the sod and let the sawdust go with it.

[thecfarm]

Need any rocks to fill in that hollar??It's along haul,but it's worth it.I have the best rocks in the states.And I will even give them to you,just because you are such a good guy and a hard worker.All you have to do is pay for shipping.I have all sizes to please anyone.

[woodmills1]

I will UPS rocks for shipping costs.

[ARKANSAWYER]

  I guess you guys have never been to the Ozarks.  We's got rocks laying every where.
  My office sits on rocks.  Every full moon we have more rocks come to the surface.  We have two kinds of rocks;  leverites and throwamights.  You either leave them right where they are or throw them with all your might.   Most are leverites.

[thecfarm]

Never been there,but the offer still stands.No need to thank me,what are friends for.Made it as far as OH one day,but got scared of all the grits,turned around and headed for Maine.  :D   :D

[pigman]

If you found grits in Ohio you must have run into DanG and Tom on the way to the pig roast.

[farmerdoug]

Arky,  Do not Norm visit you.  That foundation would not last long on the receiving end of his .50 caliber. :D :D :D

[ARKANSAWYER]

  Naw,  Norm would be welcome.  I could jack the building back up and put the gravel in the driveway that needs it badly.

  Grits does a body good.  Sometimes we have (not often) grits left over from breakfast.  I will slice them into slabs like bread and fry them with cheese like a grilled cheese sandwich.  Put in a chunck of spam and you got a meal that will stick to your ribs.

[woodmills1]

Spam and grits sandwich, hmmmmmmmm my two favorite foods :

NOT

[SwampDonkey]

Brazilian Corned Beef by the can, put meat on your ribs. ;D

[beenthere]

Arky
Your story reminds me of growing up. Left over grits were saved in a spam can, and then kept in the 'frig. For breakfast, dumped from the can, sliced and fried. Usually poured syrup over and had that way, or poured on some creme and loaded with sugar/cinnamon.  MMmmmm!!
.....but a slice of spam with the fried grits does indeed sound very good to me.  ;D ;D

SD
Brazilian corned beef sounds a cover-up to me.... : : :

[thecfarm]

Them grits stories again about how great grits are. Just about like the great lube issue.

[SwampDonkey]

SD
Brazilian corned beef sounds a cover-up to me.... : : :

I remember the days fishing with grandfather, walking a mile, seemed like 10 at times, back into the bush along a fishing stream. Getting along about noon, pulling out either the sardines or Brazilian corned beef with a slice of bread and a soda pop. Yeah, I know why not fry up a trout. For one, no open fires allowed in the bush and two, we were too busy fishing to cook and fight flies. :D

[David Freed]

I agree with Arkansawyer's evaluation, both the pros and cons.

jdtuttle - I sent you a pm about mine.