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Started by etat, November 14, 2003, 03:39:21 PM

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etat

Thanks for the welcome.  Raining today so no roofing, Yea!.  We're about got the outside of the house finished.  Used two by eight poplar siding that I had the Amish cut for me.  Soaked it in homemade boracare type solution, and cut laps in it and ran it horizontally.  Ran strips on each stud after putting osb and house wrap to fasten to so it would have an air space behind to dry out instead  of holding moisture.  Going to water proof it with a homemade solution of wax, mineral spirits, and linseed oil.  Did the trim work around the windows and doors with pressure treated wood.  Most of the house has porches so that will help keep the rain off most of the siding.  I used pressure treated and 6/6 posts and beams pressure treated on the porches.  Notched them all together instead of just nailing them up. Everything is on conventional foundation with footing and concrete blocks so no wood on or close to the ground. We did the eaves with white tin.   I'll try to plant a tree later.  Things I like about this site.  The friendly chat.  The information.  The pictures.  And the way somebody like arkansas sawyer and others can take a log or piece of log and cut it into those great looking boards.  Now if I could just figgure out some way to cut logs on my tablesaw!    Again, thanks for the welcome.  I know this sounds crazy but I feel like I about know a lot of yall already, I've read so many of the post here.
Old Age and Treachery will outperform Youth and Inexperence. The thing is, getting older is starting to be painful.

etat

been hanging around here quite a long while now, couple of months or so, mostly since I found non-professionals weren't welcome to post, over yonder.  Don't have a mill, but I like wood, working with wood, preserving wood, and the wife and I are building our house, finally after about 20 years or so, and three kids. Old timey looking, with all the modern conveniences.  I am also a roofing contractor.  If I had a question, or a occasional opinion would it be OK to ask or maybe sound off here from time to time considering I'm not a professional?  
Old Age and Treachery will outperform Youth and Inexperence. The thing is, getting older is starting to be painful.

Jeff

Well, if ya don't I would be mighty disappointed.

You are absolutely welcome here as is the whole family. Besides, I'm going to probably need a roof next year and you can answer some of MY questions down da road. ;) :)
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OneWithWood

Welcome CK.
Many of the folks here are not 'professionals'.  You should check out the Timbeframe section for some house building tips.  The only rules are to keep the conversation civil and remember this is a family forum.
If you decide to stick around please go to the members map, plant your tree and let us know some more about you.
Looking forward to your posts.
One With Wood
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EZ

Wecome cktate, I did alot of roofing myself in my younger yrs. Poor old knees can really tell it now.
EZ

Norm

Welcome aboard cktate, don't ever worry about asking a "non-professional" question here. The neat thing about FF is nobody will ever give ya a hard time about asking questions.  :)

Tom

What's a professional?  I never could figure that out.  I think it is one who gets paid for what he does.  That doesn't mean he knows anything :D

Welcome to the forestryforum.  We depend on volume for intelligence. ;D  while some of these guys are brilliant, so are the rest :D :D

Frank_Pender

Welcome CKTate,  man where were you earlier this Fall when I needed a roofer? :D  I got id done though.  Put tin over a 3 tab after putting down some sheets of gold plated 4 ply 1/2" sheeting.  The DanG sheeting was more than the tin; $2400.

Anyway, as I always told my students there is no stupid question, only poor listeners. 8) 8) 8)  :P

Welcome a board.   Becareful this site can be contageous in getting hooked on buying a mill. :-/
Frank Pender

Furby

Welcome cktate!
Hey you can cut logs on your table saw, just not very big ones!  :D

J_T

I've seen some pretty hefty table saws. Seen one 48in blade used to cut squares on .Took me two years to get my saw going  :o.Fifteen hundred bucks and the same amount of hours Welcome  carful sawdust fever big saw or small all the same 8)
Jim Holloway

Stephen_Wiley

Welcome  cktate !

Tell me do you stop roofing every time it rains? Last two metal roofs I laid were in th rain.  Metal roofs make good slides in rain especially with cooler temps.  :D  :D

My first table saw - log cutting experience was with a farm-all tractor, belt driven circular blade on an A frame with badly deteriorating makeshift table.  I was 16 at the time and learned the term "zing-fling" (Oten when things did not line up right ya better watch out).  :D  :D  :D  :D
" If I were two faced, do you think I would be wearing this one?"   Abe Lincoln

etat

Stephen, I have in the past roofed in the rain, wind, and snow.  Coldest I ever put on shingles was 18 degrees.  Now I'm older, wiser, lazier, more scared of getting hurt and getting others hurt etc.   Also a little more financially stable, thankfully.  About 5 or 7 years ago I had a employee that told me him and his dad had sunk some walnut in a lake and left it about 10 years ago.  I thought he was NUTS.  That wood's gonna rot in the bottom of that lake, or so I thought. He kept telling me he wished he had a bandsaw mill.  Again I thought he was nuts.  Can't cut logs with a bandsaw, break the blade.  Later after a little investigation, and having some logs cut with a bandsaw mill, I realized, and confessed, that I was the one that was nuts.  Been nuts ever since.  I had a neighbor who used to buy old circle saw mills, set them up, rebuild them, use them awhile, and then resell.  Used to go over and help sometimes just for the fun of it.  
 
 
Old Age and Treachery will outperform Youth and Inexperence. The thing is, getting older is starting to be painful.

Stump Jumper

WELCOM CKTATE .  IM ALSO NEW .GOOD PEPOLE HERE  ALMOST LIKE FAMILY. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT YOUR HOMEMADE SEALER THANK YOU.
Jeff
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etat

stump_jumper, I didn't invent this stuff but I did a fair amount of research coming up with the recipes.  Spraying all the wood on the outside of my house would have cost me a small fortune if I had to buy all the stuff ready made.  I let all the wood air dry and cut it before applying the homemade boracare.  Then I let it sit awhile on the house before applying the waterproofing.  

This will not water proof the wood but will keep bugs out and is commenly used on log homes,  (or so I am told) homemade wo
od preserative,  This is equivalent to Bora-Care® diluted with an equal volume of glycol to make it fluid enough to use handily;
1 Gallon glycol antifreeze, 4 1/2 pounds borax, 3 1/2 pounds boric acid.
To make a stable solution you mix the ingredients and heat till boiling gently. Boil off water until a candy termometer shows 260°F. This removes most of the water of crystallization in the borax. This solution is stable at 40°F and has a borate content of 26%. This is equivalent to Bora-Care® at about $90/gal. for the concentrate which makes 2 Gallons.  

homemade water proofing treatment>  Ingredients:

1½ cups boiled linseed oil
1 ounce of paraffin (substitute carnauba or wood rosin wax, provided they contain no
prohibited substances)
Enough solvent (distilled pine tar, mineral spirits, paint thinner, turpentine, citrus
thinner, or whatever is approved) at room temperature to make the total volume of the mix one full gallon.

The following wood-preservative recipe was developed by the USDA's Forest Products Laboratory (FPL) to protect wood used above ground for up to 20 years
Directions:
Melt the paraffin over water in a double boiler. Do not heat over a direct flame. Away from the heat source, stir the solvent vigorously, and then slowly stir in the melted paraffin. Add the linseed oil and continue to stir thoroughly. Apply by dipping the untreated lumber in the mixture for three minutes or by brushing a heavy application across the wood's grain and on the cut ends of the lumber. The wood can be painted when it's thoroughly dry.

I can let yall know in about 20 years if all this works.  If you cook up the antifreeze stuff, don't smell the fumes, and don't do it in the house.
Old Age and Treachery will outperform Youth and Inexperence. The thing is, getting older is starting to be painful.

MemphisLogger

Howdt cktate!

Where abouts in no mississippi are you? I saw trees down yer way on occassion.  :)

What "over yonder" were you talking 'bout bein' so professional--all of us workin' men too  :D ;D :D

Scott Banbury, Urban logger since 2002--Custom Woodworker since 1990. Running a Woodmizer LT-30, a flock of Huskies and a herd of Toy 4x4s Midtown Logging and Lumber Company at www.scottbanbury.com

etat

UrbanLogger
North Ms, right between tupelo, and new albany.  When we started building the house I knew I wanted to use yellow poplar siding because it sits where my grandpa's  old barn was.  Probably not as good as cedar, or cypres, but what I wanted to use. The siding on it was yellow poplar, fuzzy grey and hard as a rock even after all them years.  When I bought this place I fixed up a lot of the old barn using white oak.  After a few years termites got into the oak, but they'd just scratch the poplar and quit.  My grandpa built the barn in 1963 so it wasn't that ole in itself, but all the lumber in it was salvaged out of an old house that was over a hundred years old.  I was about 6 years old and of course helped him some, mostly removing nails from the old siding.  Wanting help in figguring all this out I found the other site, and although i got a lot of help from some of the folks, mostly just dry comments from the proffesor.  Then a few months or so ago they got in a flap about nonprofessionals (I really truly wasn't involved)  and since I didn't have a sawmill and cut about a million or so board feet of lumber every day I just politely said goodby and cut out.  I recon their defination of a professional and mine was different. And I think I'd rather associate with craftsman type professionals who can pull up a limb, or a log, or logs, and turn it into boards, and have fun doing it.  
Old Age and Treachery will outperform Youth and Inexperence. The thing is, getting older is starting to be painful.

J_T

Think I read some were poplor unpainted would last 150 years painted 100 either one will do me .Have been sawing sone latley it saws good cuts almost as eask as my finger did Sat. ; Never posted anywhere but here. I like the FFF just findtoo.
Jim Holloway

dail_h

   Welcome C K,
    All of us over here is perfezonal of one sort or another ;DIf we don't know the answers,we just make it up as we go along ,more fun that way
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Bro. Noble

Hi, CK,

Got a question for you already.

Got some guys building for us.  They were discussing how they were going to shingle a portion of the roof that is 12/12 pitch.  One guy says he can walk on it :o  Ya reckon he can? ;D
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ronwood

CK

Welcome to the forum.

Bro Noble

Looks like the turkey is running scared. Happy Thanksgiving!!

 :D :D :D
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Stephen_Wiley

cktate,

I figured you done your share in the rain. It has been two years since I roofed those two log homes.  Fell off the last one - into a pile of sheet metal which broke my fall, uninjured. ::)

A year ago did a roof on the Oregon Coast (literally),  kind of nice listening to the waves hitting the surf below.  Used a new plastic composite in the form of cedar shakes.  Light gray in color and slippery in colder temps.  8)

NOBLE

I have walked on 12/12 roof..............of course I was tied into an Oregon White Oak at the time.  8)
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etat

Bro Noble, if your guy can walk a 12/12 roof I'd like to hire him, and his wings too.  We use ladder scaffolds, toe boards, and a ladder hoist.  Would save me a lot of time if he could tell me how to do it without all that equipment.  dail_h   I am honored to be amongst a bunch of real perfezonal's.  Truly.  
Old Age and Treachery will outperform Youth and Inexperence. The thing is, getting older is starting to be painful.

Gus

CK,
 Welcome aboard. Great bunch here. Learned alot here mostly by accident. :D
Gus
"How do I know what I think unless I have seen what I say?"

Jeff

12/12? Jeez Noble, where's the goat goona stay now? Under the porch is full with all them dogs. You gotta put a flat spot up there.
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etat

Mr. Jeff, bet he's gonna trade for a mountain goat! 8)  I hear they like it steep!
Old Age and Treachery will outperform Youth and Inexperence. The thing is, getting older is starting to be painful.

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