Foundation Footers?

[Kirk_Allen]

And at this rate Doug I could be the moderator since yualls teachin me so much ;D

I think the biggest load might be a backhoe, tractor and other farm equipment.  I was planning on a 4" pour.  No, it is not swamp land.  Where the shop will be has been farm land. We simply stopped farming this small plot so I could have a place to mill.  Since the farm house had been rented my dad had the farmer plant right up to the back door ;D 

Cant do that anymore.  I need my space ;D

Seriously though, I think a Construction forum may be a good Idea.  I know we have the Timberframe and Log Construction but maybe we need a simple construction site too.     

[Kirk_Allen]

Got to love living in the Country  8) 8)

Finally spoke with the Water district about water for the shop.

"Your water line comes in the front of the house so can you just tap into it there!"  "We put one of them shutoff valves out front so yuz could shut it off when ever you want.  Just shut if off when your ready to tap into it and do what ever you want!"  "I thinks Lowes has dem splitters you can put in the line so you can run water pretty much to any place you want.  My husband put water into three different barns.  Didnt cost us but 100 bucks in PVC"

Spoke with the Power company:
3 Phase to the shop - $300 in material and $100 labor if I do the trench work getting the line from the pole to the shop 8) 8) 8)

Found Ready Mix company that has fiberglass mix, 4000 psi mix for $72 yard 8) 8)

Septic system:
"I suppose you could just run a field tile since your out their in the middle of nowhere.  Aint gonna hurt nutin out their".

Now that one I have to get some face to face clarification on because I know there are Federal lows on septic systems.  Not sure if this County guy really knows much at all about it but he is in charge of it. 

Didnt get a lot cut today but did make headway on the plans. 

[Furby]

Nope, no center piers are necessary unless you are going to have posts supporting something.

What you do is remove the top soil, and then back fill with proper fill, and compact if useing sand or gravel. You can also use pea gravel which you don't need to compact. NO support for the slab is required unless it is indeed swampland or the like.

If you are going to be running heavy equipent on the finished slab, you need to pour a heavier slab. Wearhouses and such use a 10-12" slab min.
Most basement floors and residential garage floors are 4", unless upgraded to 6", and a lot of people do it.
For driving a truck or small tractor on, I would think 6" would be fine. Now if you get things designed ahead of time, you can have the office area poured at 4" and the rest thicker if you want.

My garage/pole building has a 2x6 or 2x8 PT rim, with regular 2x4 every 2' o.c., and a 2x10 or 12 each side at the top. I have a 32' clear span on the trusses. I would use a double 2x12 at the top like Jim said.

Jim, Someone posted a while back about useing a given size post, for a given height, but I'm not sure where that post is. Would a 6x6 be enough for a 16' height?

Kirk, If you wanted a wider building, you can have custom trusses made that come in two or more parts. Say you want 60' wide and can live with a divider at the 40' mark. You then order an offset truss at those specs. You'll get a matched pair of trusses, one with a 40' span and one with a 20', but they will fit together so as your peak will be centered at the 30' mark. Just something to think about if you wanted to have the office along one side of the building. You could then build a wall to carry the truss load and second floor at th 20' foot mark, and have the remaining 40' for shop.

[DouginUtah]

Spoke with the Power company:
3 Phase to the shop - $300 in material and $100 labor if I do the trench work getting the line from the pole to the shop

Quick, place your order now before they change their minds! I have some pictures of a 3-phase 200 amp panelboard and meter base in my 32' x 54' shop. But that's getting ahead of where we are. (When gas is $3.50 a gallon next year you will be thinking electric woodmizer!)

BTW, my floor was poured at a full 4" and you have to search hard to find a crack. It's the prep that's important.

Excellent price for concrete.  8)

-Doug

[Furby]

Kirk,
Did I understand you to say that you have "city" water, out in the middle of no where ???
I live IN the city, and don't have "city" water.  :-\

[etat]

I live IN the city, and don't have "city" water.

:D :D :D

Furby, it's probably cause you ain't holding yer mouth right.   I do like that trade you was talking about earlier though.  Onct you talk Kirk into giving me his sawmill so's he can upgrade to a nicer, bigger, better one I'll be glad to come up to Michigan and do yer roofing fer ya! ;D

Not many wells dug around here anymore cause most all the communities have water lines coming off of public wells these days.  That said the water still tastes better out of them deep wells that's got the pump on the end of the pipe way down in the bottom of em and ain't had chlorine and chemicals added to it.  My dad still uses his for drinking water even though he's on the water line too. There used to be one on this place but one time the pump went out and my grandpa was going to try to pull the pipe with his old ford tractor and replace the pump himself and he let a clamp slip and lost pipe, pump and all at the bottom of the well.  I wasn't in on that deal as I lived in Tennessee at the time but I have helped pull them with a wrecker a few times and using the right kind of clamps. After that Papa just hooked to the water line out by he road. I did the same thing when I moved here. Lots of times in the summertime though I'll stop by my dad's and fill up my ice cooler out of water out of his well. 

[Furby]

 :D :D :D :D :D
Just thinking of ways to help ya all out! ;)
Hey Kirk, what ya say ??? I got some roofing for CK to do, make him a deal will ya? ;D

My well is a 5" with the pump in it. My water tastes like S***! So much rust and sulfur. I have a pre filter and a water softner and it's still not right.

How long ago did that pump get dropped? How long of a section was on it?
It's possible to add a new pump over the old one if the one dropped wasn't that long and the water level is high enough.
Otherwise it's not that hard to fish one out from what I've read.
How big is the well?

[Kirk_Allen]

You got it Furby.  County water line runs right in front of the house.  $27 a month ;D  We still have well water but the cost of Electricity is so high that its cheaper to just use the county water instead of pumping it out of the well. 

CK, Cant give up the mill but If remember right, I said I would swap some fine lumber ;D But wait a minute.  Im the one that needs a new roof on the barn.  You mean to tell me that Furby done got you talked into coming up there first?

[Furby]

 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Yep, he'll pick up the mill on the way up and help me with my logs while his crew takes care of the roofs. ;)

[Kirk_Allen]

 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
As long as he drops the mill off back at my place on the way back you got a deal!
8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

[Jim_Rogers]

I didn't see that thread about size of poles up to a certain height and then bigger if taller. But that would make sense.
I couldn't do a post analysis unless I get all the facts.
But when I did the one for a 40' x 50' pole barn up here 6x6 full size was ok for 16' ceiling. If he's doing a 40' wide x 104 long and 16' ceiling on top of piers he should be ok. But that's just a guess without facts and numbers.
Jim Rogers

[Kirk_Allen]

Had a close look at my Dads Mortan building and it is built with 6x6-16 footers.  It is a 50x100 Open span truss. Trusses are made from 2x8 on 8 foot centers. 

[Furby]

Cool!
Ya got something to work from now.

[mometal77]

I am just adding to this post.  No one mentioned six or eight sack mix per cubic yard.  I also saw to prevent cracks how they do things back east is use this T shaped piece of plastic they section it off in the concrete pull off the top T that unclips leaving a flat piece of plastic in the concrete about half an inch in.  I checked out the local hardware store that has 1.2 million products and they never heard of such a thing.  I guess here they just cut up concrete backer board into strips and put them in the slap so cracks dont spread.
http://www.concretenetwork.com/concrete/howmuch/calculator.htm

bob