short truck

[Matt601]

Im looking to build a short log truck. the mill buys 12.5 to 16.5 foot logs and full pupwood and chip and saw. Looking at trucks I'm wanting a international 4700 with a dt466 5 speed. Question is how many inch from cab to center axle do i need to run a cabrack and 11 foot apart boasters? 

[starmac]

This will not be a lot of help, because it is a tandem axle, but when I use short log bunks on mine, I have 14 between them and 21 feet between the headache rack and trailer hitch. I haul 24 foot logs and let them stick out 3 to 4 feet over the trailer tongue. The trick is putting your front bunk in the right place to get the right amount on your steer axle. I started out too far back, and was light on the steer I think, never scaled it, when I moved it forward, it handled better, but I think I was too heavy, but the direction I go with the short logs, I do not have to cross  a scale and we sell those by the load, not ton or board foot. So I don't know how close or far off I was.

[mike_belben]

Hopefully you find one with a p-pump (ngd series, 93 to 95ish)

I think i would choose an auto over the 4+1 manual.  I went to a 13spd behind my 466C.

[Matt601]

Hopefully you find one with a p-pump (ngd series, 93 to 95ish)

I think i would choose an auto over the 4+1 manual.  I went to a 13spd behind my 466C.

That's all I have ever had. (5 speed) Does a auto pull OK? I seen a good many for sale. I got a 1990 now and it pulls great. Only reason I want another truck is my son will be driving soon and we can have 2 running. One with pup and one saw logs. I hate having pup stacked up on the side. We have to carry it twice as far as saw logs so its the last to get loaded now. Pup is what we pay the fuel bill with.  

[mike_belben]

To be honest i cant say how a 466 auto would be, ive not ever drove one.  My truck had a 4+1 and it was like 2 takeoff gears, one around town and one county road gear.  Wouldnt break 50mph so couldnt run highway.  The gaps were so enormous i didnt feel it was all that safe to drive in a busy area.  If you had someone slow on a hill in front of you, forget it.  Had to stop fully to get in takeoff gear and run the hill in 1st or 2nd.  It just wouldnt shift, maybe bad synchros, but i needed a double OD so the RTOO went in. 

My guess is an auto wouldnt have been coasting along looking for a gear like i was.  It woulda been climbing the hill. 

[Grizzly]

Single drive axle? Then you want about 2/3 of the load over the drive or 11ft of it. So 5.5 ft of the load and the remaining 5.5ft leaves around 11ft from boc (back of cab) to axle center. Tandem drive? Then you want 3/4 of the load centered on the axle group. Or 12.375ft. So half of that plus the remaining 4.125ft equals 10.3125ft from boc cab to center of axle group. Rough numbers I've worked with over the years.

[Matt601]

Yea Mine is like that too. 90% of my runs are less than 25 miles I just poke along. 

Im at work (offshore) and been looking at trucks online. I want to get another when I get home fount a lot of box trucks been trying to fig out what how for back from the cab I need my axle I will be adding a drag axle too. I don't want to get one too long or too short when I can buy what I need and not have to shorting the or add to it when there all about the same price. Im thinking 120 inchs would be OK with my boasters 11 foot apart. 

[Matt601]

Single drive axle? Then you want about 2/3 of the load over the drive or 11ft of it. So 5.5 ft of the load and the remaining 5.5ft leaves around 11ft from boc (back of cab) to axle center. Tandem drive? Then you want 3/4 of the load centered on the axle group. Or 12.375ft. So half of that plus the remaining 4.125ft equals 10.3125ft from boc cab to center of axle group. Rough numbers I've worked with over the years.

Thank you 

[jason.weir]

To be honest i cant say how a 466 auto would be, ive not ever drove one.  My truck had a 4+1 and it was like 2 takeoff gears, one around town and one county road gear.  Wouldnt break 50mph so couldnt run highway.  The gaps were so enormous i didnt feel it was all that safe to drive in a busy area.  If you had someone slow on a hill in front of you, forget it.  Had to stop fully to get in takeoff gear and run the hill in 1st or 2nd.  It just wouldnt shift, maybe bad synchros, but i needed a double OD so the RTOO went in. 

I've driven a light single axle International Bucket truck with the DT466 turbo and a 3 speed automatic.   Gutless pig won't do 50 unless you're on a downhill run.  Put any load behind it just forget it.  This was a electric utility truck and very well may have been de-tuned or governed low.  One time I moved a JD 450 dozer behind it and was lucky to hit 35mph..

I'd want a 5\2 transmission at a minimum and tuned for more than 150hp..

[Riwaka]

There are adjustable log truck bunks/ bolsters so you can move the spacing. (Need a transport/ truck lawyer and certed transport/ truck engineer in many places to get the the dimesnions, weights etc right before setting out on the road.)
Timber bunk. Timber bunks D-Series | ExTe

cab racks are getting another look at in places due to the aluminium failures in recent years and the processes that have happened afterwards.

I don't know where you are located but there is a battle going on in some places with the people who want to legislate the old trucks off the road or make the truck owners retrofit pollution gear. So before you purchase an old truck you should investigate what pollution gear can be fitted to the truck's existing engine, how expensive it might be to fit a higher tier replacement engine versus the cost of buying a younger truck already with the higher tier engine, problems that have occurred with various engines - acert etc. Hydrogen generators, dpf, def etc
How will Oregon clean up diesel air pollution? - YouTube   (Oregon - gas torching a hole in a 1994 Kenworth to scrap it.)

In part a possible backlash to earlier old truck dumping from Cali
Oregon becomes dumping ground for California's old, polluting diesel big rigs | OregonLive.com

No words....
Crash involving logging trucks sends logs through truck?s cab | KIRO-TV

[Matt601]

There are adjustable log truck bunks/ bolsters so you can move the spacing. (Need a transport/ truck lawyer and certed transport/ truck engineer in many places to get the the dimesnions, weights etc right before setting out on the road.)
Timber bunk. Timber bunks D-Series | ExTe

cab racks are getting another look at in places due to the aluminium failures in recent years and the processes that have happened afterwards.

I don't know where you are located but there is a battle going on in some places with the people who want to legislate the old trucks off the road or make the truck owners retrofit pollution gear. So before you purchase an old truck you should investigate what pollution gear can be fitted to the truck's existing engine, how expensive it might be to fit a higher tier replacement engine versus the cost of buying a younger truck already with the higher tier engine, problems that have occurred with various engines - acert etc. Hydrogen generators, dpf, def etc
How will Oregon clean up diesel air pollution? - YouTube   (Oregon - gas torching a hole in a 1994 Kenworth to scrap it.)

In part a possible backlash to earlier old truck dumping from Cali
Oregon becomes dumping ground for California's old, polluting diesel big rigs | OregonLive.com

No words....
Crash involving logging trucks sends logs through truck?s cab | KIRO-TV

Im in Mississippi It really dont matter how old it is as long as everything works. Hope there be a flood of cheap trucking on the marked.

[Matt601]

To be honest i cant say how a 466 auto would be, ive not ever drove one.  My truck had a 4+1 and it was like 2 takeoff gears, one around town and one county road gear.  Wouldnt break 50mph so couldnt run highway.  The gaps were so enormous i didnt feel it was all that safe to drive in a busy area.  If you had someone slow on a hill in front of you, forget it.  Had to stop fully to get in takeoff gear and run the hill in 1st or 2nd.  It just wouldnt shift, maybe bad synchros, but i needed a double OD so the RTOO went in.  

I've driven a light single axle International Bucket truck with the DT466 turbo and a 3 speed automatic.   Gutless pig won't do 50 unless you're on a downhill run.  Put any load behind it just forget it.  This was a electric utility truck and very well may have been de-tuned or governed low.  One time I moved a JD 450 dozer behind it and was lucky to hit 35mph..

I'd want a 5\2 transmission at a minimum and tuned for more than 150hp..

Thanks That is what i was thinking. I dont mine going slow Just want it to pull around 50 MPH. With my truck now I can pull 18 tons at 55 MPH no problem. Now we dont have a lot of hills and stuff. I try to stay right around the house. If you get over to the Mississippi river around Natchez MS we have sharp hills and it pull them 50MPH if i have a running start on it. 

[mike_belben]

By now most of them have had the Orings in that silly AFC hardpipe that goes from the manifold to the back of the injection pump crack apart.  So what happens is the manifold boost is leaking out before it gets to apply pressure to the afc aneroid diaphragm,  which would travel the rack and give fuel, creating boost.   Mine was shot and i couldnt get to 35 empty when i bought it.

The MW and P pumps are very easy to turn up.  I ported the intake, head and exh manifold.  The OEM turbos are all turds.  I now run a S259 t3 divided, 4x.014 injectors, 3inch charge piping and a huge air to water intercooler i fabbed.  itll make 35psi.. Id guess 250-300 hp.  Dont push the timing too far tho, they get real hard starting and eat headgaskets.  Ive done 3.  I wouldnt run more than 16* or so.  23* was fun, but expensive.  And no i do not roll coal at all. 

In stock form you cannot hurt a dt466 with your foot the floor, they were tuned not to make enough power for damage if fluids stayed up. 

[mike_belben]

Hills are a bugger.  Mine was a moving truck and it was 990 miles one way.  About 20% of the ride was flat.  

[dirthawger]

Hey if your looking for that log loader,  get on Facebook marketplace and search a 100mi radius of SW Missouri and search for log loader.  He agreed to sell it to me for $3000 or a better buy in my opinion,  in Tennessee there's a self loading log truck,  Mack for $10k, I was gonna buy it until I found the one I just bought.  There's also an 81 freightliner log loader truck in OK for 28k

[Matt601]

By now most of them have had the Orings in that silly AFC hardpipe that goes from the manifold to the back of the injection pump crack apart.  So what happens is the manifold boost is leaking out before it gets to apply pressure to the afc aneroid diaphragm,  which would travel the rack and give fuel, creating boost.   Mine was shot and i couldnt get to 35 empty when i bought it.

The MW and P pumps are very easy to turn up.  I ported the intake, head and exh manifold.  The OEM turbos are all turds.  I now run a S259 t3 divided, 4x.014 injectors, 3inch charge piping and a huge air to water intercooler i fabbed.  itll make 35psi.. Id guess 250-300 hp.  Dont push the timing too far tho, they get real hard starting and eat headgaskets.  Ive done 3.  I wouldnt run more than 16* or so.  23* was fun, but expensive.  And no i do not roll coal at all.

In stock form you cannot hurt a dt466 with your foot the floor, they were tuned not to make enough power for damage if fluids stayed up.
Thats why I like them so much I might be a little slow but Im not going to tear it up. 

In my drag car I make 60 psi of boost but I have to rebuild it ever 350 passes!!!! My work stuff I like to stay stock as much as I can.   

[Matt601]

Hey if your looking for that log loader,  get on Facebook marketplace and search a 100mi radius of SW Missouri and search for log loader.  He agreed to sell it to me for $3000 or a better buy in my opinion,  in Tennessee there's a self loading log truck,  Mack for $10k, I was gonna buy it until I found the one I just bought.  There's also an 81 freightliner log loader truck in OK for 28k

I cant find that one in SW Missouri. There a self loading truck right down the road from me they want 10,000 for but at 2.5 tons I don't want to carry the loader around with me all the time. If you get 4 loads a day of saw logs that's $300 bucks you cant carry and there goes your fuel money for the day. What Im thinking about doing is getting or building a small trailer for the loader that I can carry my Tractor on too. Big dreams and its got to pay for its self as I go   

[mike_belben]

Yeah,  im in that club too.  The president actually.  We are looking for a treasurer btw, interested?

Seriously its an easy gig since theres no money to account for.  We are a 501(c)3 not ever gonna profit organization. 

[Matt601]

My day job is OIM (Offshore Installation Manager) I work 35 days offshore and get 35 days off to log. I keep the books and and bill who we are working for. Its help me start my logging company. Back in the late 80's and early 90's When I was in high school I had 2  pupwood trucks. I got out when things went to long wood.. A few years ago I had 15 loads I wanted cut off my place and couldn't find anyone to cut it that's when I got my truck. Paid for its self then a Tractor. Now I'm wanted to add another truck and a loader. To make money I have to be able to move fast. Sometimes people will have one or two loads they give me just to cut them. I cant take all day to move in and cut 2 loads. I might hit 2 or 3 LO in a day. But its all free and I make good money at it. The reason I want another truck is my son is driving now Im getting him a non CDL truck that I can put 8 to 10 tons on. I have been getting a good many people wanting me to cut 15 to 30 arcs too so a small truck will help me with pupwood. Slowly getting bigger not getting a loan. I pay my bills with my day job. So I can put all my logging money back in to it. I try to use my time to the best I can. When its wet I cut down and when i can bunch logs on the weekends I do. Save time and carry as many tons a week you can is the only way to make it in logging.    

[Riwaka]

Just a general trucking post
Flat deck multi purpose. Swedish bolsters, crane, trailer. longs, shorts , pulp and moving loggers gear- porta coms, fuel tanks. 

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[Ohio_Bill]

Here is  my short log truck . It can haul 7 ton legal and is under 26000 gvw . I haul 18 ft pulp with it from time to time . I use it most of the time for saw logs .

[Matt601]

how far from cab to center axle are you running Bill?  

[mike_belben]

<sup>That is a very common cumberland plateau log truck, except make it 50yrs older. 


While back there was a cabover white with hendrickson, lockers and and a prentice for $7k.  I wanted it pretty bad but not in the cards.</sup> 

[Dave Shepard]

Here is  my short log truck . It can haul 7 ton legal and is under 26000 gvw . I haul 18 ft pulp with it from time to time . I use it most of the time for saw logs .

 

I'd agree, 7 ton is about the limit for under cdl. In MA, you don't need a cdl for farm plates. We have a 1991 4900 with a DTA466@250 and 7 speed. It would be a great combination, if you could get it in an under cdl truck.

[Resonator]

If I was going to spec. out a truck for myself, I would look into the cost of putting air-weight scales on the suspension. Especially if you're on a tonnage haul with a smaller truck, and want to get your monies worth (legally) each load.