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Re: Ton to Doyle Scale?
« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2020, 12:38:15 AM »
I just downloaded the SawLogCalc app. I now think that is the best method for determining the weight and recoverable volume of a log (thanks Tom the Sawyer).

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Re: Ton to Doyle Scale?
« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2020, 04:22:11 PM »
The app calculates the weight estimate using the entered small end diameter, length and species.  It estimates the large end based on standard taper.  Length can be entered in feet/inches, or digital feet.  Use true length, not rounded down.  Log weight does not change, regardless of the bf scale you use.

A big white oak was mentioned earlier; 36" (SED?)x16'.  The app figures the large end at 46 3/4" and a estimated weight of 9800 pounds (@ 65 lb/cu.ft.).  
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Re: Ton to Doyle Scale?
« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2020, 11:07:16 PM »
Yup I'm loving playing around with the app, except it added another 2000 pounds to one of the logs I'm about to try to move.  59.5 above the bell, 60 inches 12 feet up thanks to a fork, white oak @ 15000 pounds.  How oh how to get this to the mill.  Had to call my buddy with an f450 and a 20k trailer and now to make some big friggen ramps to roll it up the side of the trailer.  Thinking 4x4 .25 steel, 10 foot long, and another piece of 4x4 under it 9 feet long resulting in a pair of 8x4 ramps.  Time to bust out the engineering handbook for beam deflection.
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Re: Ton to Doyle Scale?
« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2020, 11:41:30 PM »
Can't you take your Lucas Slabber to the log? Sounds like it is going to be a bunch of trouble to get moved otherwise.

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Re: Ton to Doyle Scale?
« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2020, 12:55:11 AM »
I honestly dont want to sit on 3k bf of oak, I want the 2500$ to pay off the mill faster.  White oak is kinda in the crapper here, I've seen t+g solid white oak flooring in the 2-3$ bf range, it's not worth my time to cut store and dry to hope to get 2$ when I can get 1$ a bf off the majority of it right now. (may cut some of the smaller limbs and such in the 20-25 inch range).


***edit*** looks like 8x4 steel made from 2 4x4s will deflect around half an inch on a 15k log split between 2 10 foot beams.  Use the winch over the top and back to the trailer to roll it.  Should only tax my winch (12k) at 3k pulling force (since the log acts as a pulley) as long as she rolls ok with a 15 degree angle.  Sounds so simple right?
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Re: Ton to Doyle Scale?
« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2020, 01:15:15 AM »
Well, a pulley is a simple machine...anyway, don't forget to shore up under the sides of your buddy's 20K trailer. I suspect a 20K trailer can carry about 15K of payload, and it may not appreciate having that 15K rolling up all on one side. I would be interested to know how the F450 handles the load - I just bought one a couple months ago. Have fun and good luck.

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Re: Ton to Doyle Scale?
« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2020, 07:55:04 AM »
Definitely will, hoping to have it moved in the next 2 weeks, we are waiting through 2-3 days of rain, 1 clear day, 2-3 days of rain etc these days. 
Truck in question is a 2013 f450 with like a 7500 pound payload.  Hes tipped the scales in the mid to to high 30s before, absolutely sure the truck will handle roughly 45k gross combined.

For the brains on here, how do you go about rating older vehichles that have a gross combined rating from the factory.  Specifically asking about a an 81 c60 with a gvw of 26k, I've seen them rated at almost 45k but this is forum scuttlebutt, not DOT info.  Everything I've read says if cross 26k I need a cdl, but can I say put 14 in the bed (putting it at 26k) and tow another 12 if I get the cdl?
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Re: Ton to Doyle Scale?
« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2020, 08:38:30 AM »
Go to your stateís CDL Handbook.  It will have a flow chart that will answer your question.  That flow chart is a federally designed flow chart that most states have adopted. I went through all of this about a year ago.  Registering the license tag weight is another piece of the puzzle.  So is the DOT number.

A Gross Vehicle Weight Rating is basically the weight rating of the loaded truck.  If it is above 26,000 a CDL is required.  A truck GVRW over 26,000 and a trailer GVRW over 10,000 requires a Class A CDL.

Edit - from what I can tell the GVWR for a 1981 C60 is 24,000. GCRW is 45,000.  According to the flow chart, you start with GCWR - If the combined weight is 26,001 or over AND the trailer is rated at 10,001 or more, a class A is required.  Even if the truck is under 26,001, if the trailer puts the combined over 26,001 and the trailer is over 10,000 the Class A CDL is required.

Again get the CDL manual for your state.  The chances of one of us explaining the regulations and how they apply to you accurately arenít very good.  Explaining to a highway patrolman or a weigh station officer that ďa guy on the internet told meĒ wonít turn out well!
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Re: Ton to Doyle Scale?
« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2020, 06:31:31 AM »
Definitely will, hoping to have it moved in the next 2 weeks, we are waiting through 2-3 days of rain, 1 clear day, 2-3 days of rain etc these days.
Truck in question is a 2013 f450 with like a 7500 pound payload.  Hes tipped the scales in the mid to to high 30s before, absolutely sure the truck will handle roughly 45k gross combined.

For the brains on here, how do you go about rating older vehichles that have a gross combined rating from the factory.  Specifically asking about a an 81 c60 with a gvw of 26k, I've seen them rated at almost 45k but this is forum scuttlebutt, not DOT info.  Everything I've read says if cross 26k I need a cdl, but can I say put 14 in the bed (putting it at 26k) and tow another 12 if I get the cdl?
My experience is the 26,000# is about all the weight I would want with a C60. Move your equipment pulling a trailer or loading the bed to capacity. You won't pull much of hill if you try and do both at the same time.

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Re: Ton to Doyle Scale?
« Reply #29 on: February 08, 2020, 11:39:12 PM »
I had seen the gvwr at 26k, but I couldn't find the gcwr, so thanks for that.  I've dug through the flowcharts and concur, tenneessee appears to nearly follow the fed regulations.  I almost bought a brand new diesel this week, and decided the c60 will keep me out of cdl land for awhile, while still allowing me to move just about (but not quiet) what my truck and fully loaded trailer would weigh combined, all without a cdl. 

Thanks FF, once again ;)
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Re: Ton to Doyle Scale?
« Reply #30 on: February 09, 2020, 03:16:15 PM »
Thanks for that app Tom.  Do you have the fee one or pay the $2.99 for the pro version.  I just got the free one....wondering what advantages the other one has.  Banjo
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Re: Ton to Doyle Scale?
« Reply #31 on: February 09, 2020, 10:45:00 PM »
I bought the Pro version, it is well worth the money.  I'm not sure of all the differences, but it does let you keep multiple tallies on it, also lets you export the tallies by email or text.  I've had the Pro version so long I don't remember what the free versions limitations were.
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