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Re: Three phase power for planer
« Reply #60 on: June 22, 2020, 08:58:11 AM »
This unit is new out of Miami Fl. and uses the Cummins 6Bt engine , another proven work horse. 125 KW for 17 K. No bells or whistles that are not needed in a fixed installation anyway.

 
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Re: Three phase power for planer
« Reply #61 on: June 22, 2020, 05:35:35 PM »
This unit is new out of Miami Fl. and uses the Cummins 6Bt engine , another proven work horse. 125 KW for 17 K. No bells or whistles that are not needed in a fixed installation anyway.
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Re: Three phase power for planer
« Reply #62 on: June 22, 2020, 08:27:43 PM »
The ad said non compliant. It is on Americas Generators Inc. I'm a fan of mechanical governors, no electronics,and equipment I can repair.
I did not ask the folks at AG anymore questions on this particular set.Just posting an example of what makes sense to me. The earlier Cat gen set (1998 ) I posted is no doubt non-compliant also today----which is why it is for sale.
  A lot to consider ........... :)
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Re: Three phase power for planer
« Reply #63 on: June 22, 2020, 10:55:01 PM »
Who is going to tell you that you can't use one of these generators?  Farm tractors are not compliant either, built before these regulations came into effect, but we can continue to use them until they are used up. Buy a new one and it has all the pollution control additions.  My neighbor bought a new tractor, had to overhaul the thing in about 2 years, no warranty.  Bought another one just like it, new old model for a good price, they just took all the pollution control stuff off.  There is a guy near here making good money removing all the pollution control stuff off Dodge trucks. Diesels.  They have so many problems the dealers are sending him customers.

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Re: Three phase power for planer
« Reply #64 on: June 23, 2020, 12:02:42 AM »
Yes, a lot to consider.  Thatís a nice generator.  Another thing I hadnít thought about until it was mentioned was the noise factor.  I was reminded back in the day of working with Army generators for our projects, loud as a train.  Iím not sure I want that.  Not that the planer wonít be loud too, but with our phase converter, I canít even hear it running, and we may run it most of the day, since itís wired into different pieces of equipment.  Also, I guess Iíd need to build a building or shed for it.  One more thing.  

I was looking at the Whisper Watts.  I like the sound dampening, and the fact that they come with their own enclosure.  

All I want is a planer, but it seems like thatís at the end of the road.  

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Re: Three phase power for planer
« Reply #65 on: June 23, 2020, 04:49:06 PM »
I'm not sure if this will help any, but I purchased a generator set (25kW prime) for my off-grid home from Central Maine Diesel (http://www.centralmainediesel.com/).  They were very good to deal with and shipping across into Canada wasn't an issue.  The genset was reasonably priced (less than $10k US at the time) and had a Kubota V3300 engine and a Stamford alternator.  The engine was same as that in the M6800 series Kubota tractors, so I always knew I had access to parts and common service items at the local farm supply.  It was originally wired as single phase 120/240V (12 lead - double delta), but I re-wired for 240V, 3-phase to power my Logosol PH260 planer.  It was also capable of 480V, 3phase.  They sell larger gensets that might work for you.  Mine did not have an enclosure (I built a shed for it).  The generator controller for mine was not fancy, but it was relatively inexpensive (I bought a spare) and did what I needed it to.


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Re: Three phase power for planer
« Reply #66 on: June 23, 2020, 07:27:21 PM »
Rob, those both look like nice units.  Fortunately here in NC we can still operate the older units.

Robert, for some of the large commercial gensets, the sound enclosure can cost as much as the generator  :o

My Kohler is located in a sound deadened room in one corner of the shop.  2x6 walls, filled with open cell spray foam, two layers of 5/8" drywall with foam separation between them (and also foam separation between the drywall and the studs), and then 1/2" sound deadening board on top.  

Inside the generator room, you cannot carry on a conversation - even by yelling.

Outside the door you can talk in normal tones.

Point the radiator and exhaust away from your building, and this will reduce the noise level.  If you do a baffle chamber on the air intake and radiator exhaust, it will also reduce the noise significantly.
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« Reply #67 on: June 25, 2020, 08:41:12 PM »
I'm fortunate in that - tropical climate - my Genset doesn't need to be insulated for winter. So it's in an open shed and with a decent muffler system it's no worse than a loader or similar equipment.

I'm pretty deaf, that helps too.

The noisy one is usually the blower/ extraction system. They suck the noise up the pipe and it gets that resonance going... Neither the blower nor the 4 sider is that noisy but together they make a racket.  Can't hear the generator over that anyway.
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Re: Three phase power for planer
« Reply #68 on: June 25, 2020, 10:10:14 PM »
When we had the Screaming Jimmy powered Genny we built a shed around it and insulated the walls, but ran out of insulation for the ceiling - which was tin.  The enclosure really tamped down the noise, or so I thought.  Found out a year or two later there was a guy several miles away that could not for the life of him figure out what on earth was making all that racket at times. Guess there was a unique geographical feature, combined with the speaker we had created, that would funnel the noise right to his place.... oops.... :-X
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Re: Three phase power for planer
« Reply #69 on: June 26, 2020, 07:04:28 AM »
You haven't experienced noise until you hear 4 Fairbanks-Morse 38D-8 1/8 10 cylinder engines  running a flank bell on a diesel submarine .It's a wonder if all those old enginemen aren't stone deaf .In the engine rooms you couldn't hear yourself think .

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« Reply #70 on: June 27, 2020, 10:41:13 PM »
Now you have me looking again....I found this fuel consumption chart on line today.

 
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Re: Three phase power for planer
« Reply #71 on: June 28, 2020, 09:29:26 AM »
I think that I am also concerned about operating costs past this November....
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« Reply #72 on: June 28, 2020, 09:40:07 AM »
Rob, thatís a great chart and my experience has been consistent with it.  When I add in depreciation, maintenance and a $3.00 per hour assumed fuel cost I get to the .33 per minute number that I reference.

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« Reply #73 on: June 28, 2020, 03:40:49 PM »
I'm with you guys on November 
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Re: Three phase power for planer
« Reply #74 on: June 28, 2020, 09:05:54 PM »
I'm starting to appreciate the old lineshaft. Skip the electricity and just spin a shaft?
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Re: Three phase power for planer
« Reply #75 on: June 29, 2020, 12:07:41 AM »
That is a good chart, Iím using it when I call folks.  

Also, thanks for the link, I contacting all of them. 
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« Reply #76 on: June 29, 2020, 04:42:05 PM »
I'm starting to appreciate the old lineshaft. Skip the electricity and just spin a shaft?
You're not going to believe this .A guy I worked with once with 10 kids and four teeth was going to belt up an Oliver diesel tractor with about 100 HP to a big drill press so he didn't have a big electric bill .It was only 5 HP single phase .He was a journeyman electrician to make things worse .I was just at a loss for words .

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« Reply #77 on: June 29, 2020, 04:46:32 PM »
More on the above .Good old Ralph bought the Ollie cheap,bad engine .Bought a Massey diesel,also cheap .Spent two years and ton money to make it work .Way more than a good unit to begin with . :D .

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Re: Three phase power for planer
« Reply #78 on: June 29, 2020, 11:09:42 PM »
Never thought to use the PTO directly on the drill press?  :D
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« Reply #79 on: June 30, 2020, 09:34:02 AM »
If you had ever met Ralph you'd have figured it out why he thought like he did .Some people have the ability to take a pile of junk and make something out of it .With Ralph it was a pile of junk and it just ended up being another pile of junk when he gave up on it . :D


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