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Osage Orange - worth clearing?
« on: September 01, 2020, 08:36:43 PM »
 Hi Team,

Just a single man manual sawmill operation still but have gotten hooked into a few larger clearing jobs as my buddies business is taking off.  Is it worth trying to find trailer operators and a larger scale sawmill for this stuff in northern NJ or eastern PA?  Curious how many logs make a load that would even be acceptable by a mill for the different species coming up...thanks for any comments or advice as this piece is new for me verse the past 10 years of just milling.

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Re: Osage Orange - worth clearing?
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2020, 08:55:37 AM »
I'm not sure how that stuff cuts on a mill but I know it's tough with a chain saw. Bright yellow heart wood and it mulches like a large steel wire bush that is brittle and tough. It is not an easy wood to deal with.

The only good thing I know about Hedge Apple is that it has the highest BTU content of any wood. It puts out more heat than hickory or ash.
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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2020, 09:45:42 AM »
The only uses that I know for it are archery bows and fence posts.  It makes a terrific post that will probably outlast two or three sets of wire.  If you have a market for fencing it is worth dealing with  
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« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2020, 03:10:11 PM »
I'm not sure how that stuff cuts on a mill but I know it's tough with a chain saw. Bright yellow heart wood and it mulches like a large steel wire bush that is brittle and tough. It is not an easy wood to deal with.

The only good thing I know about Hedge Apple is that it has the highest BTU content of any wood. It puts out more heat than hickory or ash.
It grinds easy with the mulcher 😂

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« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2020, 05:49:45 PM »
Looks like I am the odd one out.  But I like to saw Osage orange on my manual LT-15. Have not found a good market for it, but it makes excellent bird houses and I turn items from it on my lathe. There is a secret to keeping the bright yellow longer.  
I have a few hundred 5/4 boards that are dry in the barn. 

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« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2020, 07:11:44 PM »
Marketed right it should be a great seller when sawn.
Fence post , outside furniture 
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« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2020, 07:20:36 PM »
the wood is 32 million BTUs per cord so great forewood.  it makes good charcoal or lump charcoal as well.  so what is the secret to keeping it yellow?  @wesdor
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« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2020, 03:16:28 PM »
Got me as well, whats the secret?
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« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2020, 04:09:12 PM »
We have several species that tend to darken such as ERC, Mulberry, and Hedge.  Mulberry can turn brown in a few hours, but tends to be yellow in the covered areas longer, but it all turns brown eventually.  so must and oxidation process, maybe promoted by uv ect.  @GeneWengert-WoodDoc .  even my uv protected indoor ERC benches eventually turn brown from the red/purple.  I have not done much finished wood projects with hedge (none).  some has gone to make award winning turkey calls, and they have stayed light in color.




 
ERC bench brown despite uv poly spar urethane.


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« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2020, 11:13:26 AM »
Ok. Ill share the secret. 

First some background. I am a WoodTurner and also make pens. Four of my pens were at the 2019 Pig Roast. I also make small lidded boxes. The important part for you to focus on is small. 

Ill use a pen as the example. Form it into whatever shape you desire. Then sand it to at least 600. For Osage you then take Hobby Lobby Canary Yellow PM19. Turn the lathe to its slowest speed and using the wedge tip, coat the pen. The next step is critical. Let the yellow finish dry for at least 2 days, then repeat. Depending on how the yellow looks I may do three coats. 
I typically use CA glue as a finish and the first coat should be thin CA which will pick up some of the yellow. I let the CA dry for 24 hours between applications.  I hand sand to 2,000 grit and then apply the next coat, but never apply less than 6 coats and sometimes 10. You can judge the finish after each sanding. 
Once I am satisfied with the finish, I sand to 12,000 and then use a paste wax to get a high gloss finish. 

Some pen turners complete a pen in 3 hours (start to finish), but I am convinced my slow process produces a much higher quality and durable finish. 

So far all Osage pens have retained a bright yellow color, thanks to Canary Yellow. 

Obviously this would be challenging for large objects. 

So the secret is now out to the Forestry Forum. 😍

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« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2020, 10:29:29 PM »
Pen pics? I am more of a bowl tuner and mallets but will give the HL Yellow a shot once these sticks hit the ground.
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« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2020, 09:05:02 PM »
Bois dArc is a great hard wood for making handles for anything. I use it for making my hunting knife handles. It polishes easy


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