The Idiots/Thieves With Chainsaws Thread

[bannerd]

Two years ago the power company was clearing trees off the poles/lines.  I have cattle fence on my property, said they can clean them as long as they leave the wood... I specifically said don't go over the fence.  Well they took the bucket truck and went over my fence and started cutting a beach down.  Two inches in they hit metal.. went for a bigger saw and hit metal again.  The guy left to change the blade and a young kid cut ground level to the stump.  Then threw the stump into the wood chipper and that is when all hell broke lose.  A 2x2x2 bar really messed stuff up that day.  I knew it was there somewhere just did not know the it was in the beech tree.  Needless to say the beech bushed out this summer and is about 5 ft high in two years!  Incredible.

[moodnacreek]

Power co. people are the same as federal agents, they go wherever they want.

[GAB]

Power co. people are the same as federal agents, they go wherever they want.

One mean or jealous 2 to 3 year old Jersy bull is all it takes to adjust their attitude.
GAB

[BargeMonkey]

One of the foresters I deal with handles alot of the timber theft claims in Eastern NY. Honestly you need HARD evidence like basically watching it happen, a mill sheet, and then typically the guy stealing wood doesn't own much. They changed the NY timber theft laws because of the family down the road here, I shared the same lawyer with him at the time, 🤦‍♂️ Fred is now dis-barred 😆 but basically the people got judgements on nothing. He got minor jail time, the minute the county had to start paying for his medical treatments he was home. It sucks that it happens but it does. The job I'm cutting right now is a large piece for around here, landowner hasn't walked that side in 2-3yrs. I come down over the hill along the line in the buncher and go something doesn't look right, this parcel is a true straight line on this side, corner to corner. The neighbor went in with a bulldozer, pushed over a bunch of trees and put a serious road 75' in and 200' long on the guy I'm working for last summer, city people believe the stone walls are boundaries 🤦‍♂️😆 going to be a war when the surveyor gets done.

[SwampDonkey]

Power co. people are the same as federal agents, they go wherever they want.

I know the people that contract the clearing and cleaning of the international boundary stated years ago that they have access anywhere they want to the boundary line. And they pretty much have.

[thecfarm]

Hope all works out for you. 

[peakbagger]

The State of Maine was having a bunch s public lands cut several years ago. They were in rush and apparently skipped marking boundary lines for a cut. They just had the loggers put the coordinates for the lines in their GPS unit in their equipment and trusted it. The land they were abutting was National Park Service land (the Appalachian Trail). They hauled out a bunch of big trees before someone noticed. The state and the logger got their wrist slapped and blamed it on the wrong coordinates entered in the GPS units. 

Odds are if it was private landowner he would be hung out to dry. 

[moodnacreek]

The people down here today would climb over the fence to get a close up of that little Jersey bull.

[GAB]

The people down here today would climb over the fence to get a close up of that little Jersey bull.

Bully just might give them some help getting back over it.
Growing up we had a cattle dealer who would rent out bulls to put out with the heifers in the pasture.
Jerseys were preferred as the calves were usually smaller and less taxing on the cow.
The first thing dad would do is put a ring and an 8" +/- piece of chain.  (Yes it was a single ring ceremony)  When it came time to send bully back home just crowd him and grab the chain then work your way up to the ring and keep the head up and you had pretty much total control of the animal.  Yes you can install a handle on a bovine.
GAB

[mike_belben]

One of the foresters I deal with handles alot of the timber theft claims in Eastern NY. Honestly you need HARD evidence like basically watching it happen, a mill sheet, and then typically the guy stealing wood doesn't own much. 

out there theyll prosecute a timber theft for the corporate forest owners that make campaign contributions for the sheriff race. the law wont step off the tar for us and people do whatever they want out here unless someone walks out in the dark woods to stop them. 

id love to see those gun control citiots keep their stuff bolted down out here with a can of bear spray or whatever vulcan defense powers they think they have against 3 dudes in the night desperate to get high.  

i fear for you guys that are getting slowly disarmed.  

[moodnacreek]

One of the foresters I deal with handles alot of the timber theft claims in Eastern NY. Honestly you need HARD evidence like basically watching it happen, a mill sheet, and then typically the guy stealing wood doesn't own much.

out there theyll prosecute a timber theft for the corporate forest owners that make campaign contributions for the sheriff race. the law wont step off the tar for us and people do whatever they want out here unless someone walks out in the dark woods to stop them.

id love to see those gun control citiots keep their stuff bolted down out here with a can of bear spray or whatever vulcan defense powers they think they have against 3 dudes in the night desperate to get high.  

i fear for you guys that are getting slowly disarmed.  

If we get disarmed it is our own fault. There are more pistol permits in this county than you would think. the big problem is that you can not shoot somebody no matter what they are doing on your land. The only way you can shoot is in your home, cornered with deadly force. By then it is too late.

[trapper]

GAB my father had a 4 foot staff that hooked to the ring.  Then you had a bull on a stick.

[mike_belben]

i cant bring myself to click the like button on that one doug but i sure agree. 

[HemlockKing]

One of the foresters I deal with handles alot of the timber theft claims in Eastern NY. Honestly you need HARD evidence like basically watching it happen, a mill sheet, and then typically the guy stealing wood doesn't own much.

out there theyll prosecute a timber theft for the corporate forest owners that make campaign contributions for the sheriff race. the law wont step off the tar for us and people do whatever they want out here unless someone walks out in the dark woods to stop them.

id love to see those gun control citiots keep their stuff bolted down out here with a can of bear spray or whatever vulcan defense powers they think they have against 3 dudes in the night desperate to get high.  

i fear for you guys that are getting slowly disarmed.  

If we get disarmed it is our own fault. There are more pistol permits in this county than you would think. the big problem is that you can not shoot somebody no matter what they are doing on your land. The only way you can shoot is in your home, cornered with deadly force. By then it is too late.

Oh how burglary and theft would come to a slow halt if law biding citizens were actually allowed to protect what they've worked for. 
I like that law stavebuyer mentioned from texas, any trespasser's after dark can be shot at
The criminals around here don't care, because they know they are protected, god forbid one of them get a knee cap blown off for being a burden to actual contributors to society

[moodnacreek]

While restoring a mountain house on the mountain here while the owners where in Europe the meter box had to come off. My son who was doing the work tied back the cedars along the drive so a power co boom truck could get in. They came at night when he was not there and not only did they cut the cedars the owner had planted, they cut his ropes.        Time does not allow me to tell all the power co. stories of trespass going back to my grandfathers straw berries being run over.                                                                                                                                                                                        As you members would have figured out, I am not a logger but I am the person the land owners come to after the fact.

[Nebraska]

That little ring and chain helps make fence jumping bulls respect a hot wire.  fwiw... now back to idiots stealing timber   .

[nativewolf]

Here it is mostly a law abiding area but there have been some cases of timber theft but it is usually a logger straying over a property line.  From what I understand there hasn't been an unsuccessful prosecution if the state forest service gets involved.  3 year limit to prove it.  The problem is that the sorts of loggers that do this are the sorts that have the skidder in wife's name, etc.  So damages can be hard to collect.  

[SwampDonkey]

Lots of examples where private woodlot theft got away, no money to throw at it like the government has. DNR going after crown wood theft is very successful. DNR don't help a woodlot owner in court, monetarily or otherwise. Don't even investigate. You have to deal with a policeman, which most times hasn't any idea what they are looking at besides one having to prove they own the ground and the trees. Most times with unmarked boundary.

[HemlockKing]

The best way to minimize timber theft would be to obviously be present and active on the land, but...if possible choose a parcel with not much frontage along any roads....easy pickens for the pill heads

[nativewolf]

Lots of examples where private woodlot theft got away, no money to throw at it like the government has. DNR going after crown wood theft is very successful. DNR don't help a woodlot owner in court, monetarily or otherwise. Don't even investigate. You have to deal with a policeman, which most times hasn't any idea what they are looking at besides one having to prove they own the ground and the trees. Most times with unmarked boundary.

Here our Forest Service folk are officers, carry guns, etc just like US Park Rangers.  This means they can and will charge people. Since they can charge folks and oversee harvesting it is not helpful to your career to get on the bad side.  

[Kodiakmac]

Most wood thefts in this area are committed by a very few logging contractors from Quebec under the guise of "Whoops! But I was told the property line is here ... not back behind me over there".  They get away with it because in the majority of cases the landowner doesn't press charges or litigate.

[Kodiakmac]

Most wood thefts in this area are committed by a very few logging contractors from Quebec under the guise of "Whoops! But I was told the property line is here ... not back behind me over there".  They get away with it because in the majority of cases the landowner doesn't press charges or litigate.

Besides, the police look for any excuse to say "looks like a civil matter".

[SwampDonkey]

Here the feds have no say on wood theft at all.

When DNR gives there successful prosecutions it's on crown wood. I've yet to see them boast about catching and prosecuting wood theft from private woodlots.

The marketing boards used to have a website 'NB Coalition against Wood Theft'. That's long gone and forgotten. No such site now. They couldn't do anything themselves to prosecute anyway. The limit to what they can do is issue wood transportation certificates, for chain of custody. They are non profit and have no money for court battles.

[HemlockKing]

The neighboring woodlot to mine had been harvested 20 odd year ago, they were pretty good with staying on their side but "sneaked" a couple good ones judging from a couple stumps more so on my side... 

[mike_belben]

Road frontage isnt how its done here.  The local trouble house where noise goes on at all hours of the night will have a trail system from the back yard to wherever they can get away with it.   Logs will leave from the driveway.

They will coordinate with the pillhead firewood seller in proximity to run saws at the same time to cover noise. Youve got to stay ontop of these people.  We have acreage on either side of them. Every parcel that isnt mine has had outbreaks of disappearing buttlog disease.  You dont even see the pest.. Next thing ya know the top is just plum laid out on the ground in a mess.. Its wierd. 

 antique junk shops in the south or perpetual yard salers.. Theyre often a cover for the real operation too.  Constant traffic needs a reason.  Oh he was looking for some baseball cards. She just brung this here lamp in officer.

 Stolen goods come in, prescriptions go out and the occasional tourist leaves some cash for some piece of mamaw's missing antiquity.