Meth heads

[dustyhat]

What is it with this stuff ,  seems around here every bodys on it , people ruining there lives, you cant find any help and guys that was sucssesful are going bad with it, i remmember when pot was king but people still worked with it , seems the world is just rotting away. just heard of a freinds son that was a good electrition hit rock bottom. sorry i guess im just venting.

[mike_belben]

Theyre my specialty.  Its a breed you dont know until you know em.  Hard for outsiders to even fathom how their lives work.

[dustyhat]

I guess i wont understand any of it , it just seems its getting more and more out of control around here, i feel sorry for these guys ,i hope they can turn there lives around.

[barbender]

Meth sure seems to have knocked out a large segment of the population that would've been functioning people otherwise.

[Walnut Beast]

It's nothing new. It's been bad for years everywhere. What is somewhat newer and seems to be big problems everywhere is the Fentanyl, opioid stuff 

[mike_belben]

Heroin is moving in and competing with meth in my region. Its clean for now to let the younger generation that doesnt like meth get a good taste for it once their prescriptions run out and leave them with an itch.  In a few years itll be full of fentanyl like up north and theyll all be dying like the crowd i grew up with. 


The lot im logging next door is full of needles.  Im told theres been 6 overdoses at the next house up the road that narcan has revived.  Impressive. 


Sure has ruined a generation. Zombies all over. 

[muggs]

Meth is at the top of the list for making people crazy. Plus as a added bonus, you get to watch your teeth rot out. Not a pretty sight. 

[moodnacreek]

With all the wonderful opportunities in the land of milk and honey [and maple syrup]. What a waste of your life.

[47sawdust]

Incredibly sad.My neighbor and friend lost his daughter to fentanyl over dose Sunday night.
She left behind 2 children, the oldest in 1st grade.
Hard to pick myself up from that one.

[barbender]

That is just horrible!

[farmfromkansas]

The dope is why the thievery is out of control.  Hope all you guys with young kids talk to them about a great way to ruin their lives.  I talked to my kids when they were in grade school, and none of them use dope now. Some of the kids from my age ruined their lives with that crap, now it is getting more widespread.

[Southside]

It's an insane change in under 30 years.  Places are making more and more junk legal and just like in the old Glenn Fry song "It's the lure of easy money - It's got a very strong appeal".  Ironically I was offered an in to a completely legal aspect to some of this junk last Sunday.  Huge money, freaking huge, more than I have ever seen in my life.  Thought about it, but walked away, just can't go there.  My wife isn't too happy with me over it but she lived a sheltered life and never saw the things I saw, I won't be a part of walking someone down those roads no matter what the fools who won a popularity contest say is now legal.  

[Kodiakmac]

 seems around here every bodys on it 

Yup.  And/or on their bloody cell phones. 
So on those rare occasions when I need to hire someone, I get a local Mennonite.  They're not stoned, and their cellphones stay in their trucks until break time or lunch.

[WDH]

I live way back in the woods.  It is pretty bad here, too, and I stay alert at all times.  Sometimes people drive back here (driveway is 1/2 mile long) and if I don't know them, I am extremely wary.  Guy drove up a few days ago and asked me if he could catch-and-release-bass fish in the ponds behind my property in exchange for some sheetrock work.  What?  I don't own the ponds and told him so, nothing more, and he left.  I am suspicious about that kind of thing because I feel that I am being scoped out.  I watch their eyes to see to see if roving eyes are looking things over.  The Sawmill is located 3/4 mile from the house and I have had the roving eye people drive up there before acting like customers.

A couple of years ago I was working in the woodshop at home and a County Deputy Sheriff drove up and told me to be extra vigilant because there was a rash of break-ins into homes that were not visible from the County Road.  Every night before I go to bed I make sure that all the doors are locked and deadbolted and keep a pump shotgun standing in the corner by my bed.  Woe to anyone breaking into my house at night.  I did not used to think about home invasions and that type of thing before but I do now.    

[mike_belben]

I am with southside.  Most of my stories cant be made public but i have only ever lived around drugs.  Never not been around them in my life. 


Im raising children on a road where more people are on meth than not, and where the law is paid to not operate. I cant say outlaws thrive because they spend all their energy on self destruction, but there are regions where they go unpunished and become an insurgency.  Scared straight worked better than DARE.  All my dead friends had DARE classes.   IMO Its best that kids see the horror of the drug life first hand and turn from it of their own free will.  

Meth users do lose their sense of reality eventually, forming a sort of schizophrenia, screaming at people who arent there and such.   Once gone it doesnt come back when sober.  Theyll be in the street wrestling air and screaming at their ghosts by name, i know several imaginary frenemies. 

The one across the street periodically thinks he owns my place and i havent paid his rent.  Thinks he owns the land beside me that im cutting and i owe him shares. We have had much interaction and ive grown accustomed to it. 

  Its dangerous at all times, law of the jungle.  Youre not ever allowed to be weak or back down or not play the game.  Its psychological.  3 burnt houses and one homocide since 2016.  Any day could be the day im wrestling for my life so i just live ready for it like any normal combat zone, no big deal.  Its people who think theyre safe that get taken easily from behind.  We have a gritty peace out here in the snakepit. Everyone is ready to rumble. 


Drugs are pumped to america by positive pressure to achieve this lawlessness and ruin without retaliation like if we were bombed. The pump sends fluid to the valve.  The valve doesnt suck fluid from the pump by vaccuum.  "Its demand for drugs" is disinformation. 

This is war where the belligerents are addicted to paying for their unwanted demise.. They all wish they could quit but are defeated by it. the attackers are paid to ruin the targets, by the targets, who fund it by stealing from their neighbors continually.  The opium wars have only changed targets. Not techniques. 

America did not become the land of epidemics and crises by accident. It is coordinated because at one time, we couldnt be beaten on the battlefield.  Well we are getting smoked on the chessboard.  All is fair in love and war.  Dope and diabetes.

[mike_belben]

@WDH

You are right, they are feeling you out for future operation. Trying to grow your trust and get themselves invited for tours to meet the dogs.  Be on the lookout for trash on your perimeter to indicate they are feeding your dogs.

You better start getting to know them. Its a chess game.  Being stern enough to turn them away but friendly enough to collect intel on their associates.  Every contact with the enemy should enrich your knowledge.  Never let one walk away without milking him for info as long as he/she will dish it.  The addict girls will talk even more because the men are whooping them, raping them etc.  Their resentment overides their keep quiet instinct.

So this is how you find out whats going on in the enemy camp that steals full time for a profession. In time you can come to know every dirtbag by name, by face, by backstory, by their posture and gait in the dark with a hoody or their tone of voice in the woods from 50 yds.  The worst meth abusers talk to themselves which is like a gps tracker in the night.  Its when theyre quiet that i grow concerned because i cant locate them.


The more you know about the networks of reluctant associates (they dont like each other but are forced to cooperate to feed the habit) you can advertise your knowledge of one to the other.  This is the safest way to confront the trouble, indirectly. You insert information favorable to you into the rumor mill.  They get word from another dirtbag, hey so n so knows alot about you and knows people.  This gives the dirtbag a deterrent.  It makes them uneasy.. Is this dude an undercover cop? Is he related to an investigator?  Have conversations that insert the disinfo that best suits your needs. The camera system, your buddy the police chief or game warden nephew etc.  Its gotta be subtle to be believed.  Not grandious and out of place conversation. You cant do that without 10 and 20 min chats. The most valuable information to advertise is names of people in their network, locating their houses and their kin.  For example.

Hi im joe can i fish your pond?
(Dont answer, deflect and chat)

Im danny nice to meet you. (shake)  joe who?

Joe johnson

Where ya from joe johnson?  

Uhh, i live.. Uhh.. Over on.  Up ahh.. Anderson firetower road over there.

Oh really?  I thought you lived on shady grove over by the bridge?  Didja move?  You used to drive a gray dodge.  Isnt your brother so n so.  

Yeah howd you know that

Oh i just know my surroundings, i like knowing who is who since everyone thinks people on this road are sitting ducks to rob.  It helps when my phone dings that the camera picked someone up and then ive gotta figure out who this stranger is.  My buddy at the justice center sends me the mug shots every week and i just save em to my phone.  

Yeah i appreciate you asking permission to fish but ive got to decline for a number of personal reasons.  I gotta get back to work, nice meeting you joe johnson from anderson firetower rd. Be good. 


In time you know who is who and who sticks together, who hates who.  Say you need to speak to the bad guy face to face, insert a provocation via the grapevine so that they come storming up to your gate for words on your schedule in front of your camera when youve got your dog and pistol and can fight on your terms in daylight and if it goes wrong you had the right to self defense because of location you chose.

Never get baited into their terms at their place.  Going to their place is extremely effective at spelling out that you will deal with them if they cross the line, but its a big gamble, very risky.  Going to their castle says im not scared of you and its a threat.  Some people flight, some people fight. Think hard about when this is a good move and be very in control of your body language, surroundings, distance if you ever have to go to them.


The message needing conveyed is 'we can have war or we can have peace.  I am very capable of both. Now choose.'  If your warface looks legit they will choose peace.

Theres atleast $5k in scrap laying out back with none missing to prove these methods work.  Kevin 2 doors down got robbed 2 nights ago.  Knows who did it, did nothing.  

Thats a green light. Huge mistake. He wont make war. Now comes the flood of ants carrying off his stuff while he is right there in bed.

[scsmith42]

 

 

[farmfromkansas]

That would be one of the benefits of owning an excavator. Would not hurt to have a few hogs too.

[Southside]

Chickens, AKA Barnyard Buzzards, nobody has ever suspected the chickens..... :D  Those eggs are something though.... :D

[SwampDonkey]

The young woman who lives with her boy friend just a house away from here had it tough. Her dad died on the bottle and her mother OD's on the hard stuff a few years before him. She has a twin and another sibling. But her grandparents (both sides) where good to her, they remodelled her father's place for her and probably bought her some wheels. She works and boy friend to. She's clean and smart and no wild parties up there. Never here a peep, not even a squealed tire. Saw them out on their porch enjoying the sun yesterday afternoon, 62 F in the afternoon it was. Pretty warm for April up here on the glacier. ;)

[moodnacreek]

The young woman who lives with her boy friend just a house away from here had it tough. Her dad died on the bottle and her mother OD's on the hard stuff a few years before him. She has a twin and another sibling. But her grandparents (both sides) where good to her, they remodelled her father's place for her and probably bought her some wheels. She works and boy friend to. She's clean and smart and no wild parties up there. Never here a peep, not even a squealed tire. Saw them out on their porch enjoying the sun yesterday afternoon, 62 F in the afternoon it was. Pretty warm for April up here on the glacier. ;)

Thank God for grandparents although it is not fair for them to have do devote their retirement years to do what didn't get done. This young woman was lucky. I should know.

[newoodguy78]

I'm guessing that woman was smart enough she didn't want any part of the road her parents went down. Hats off to her and her grandparents. I've seen it where grandparents help big time to no avail.

I've had multiple friends get sucked into the junk. After trying to help several of them unsuccessfully I've taken a different approach. Now I wait for signs they actually want to make themselves better for them not someone else and ask for help.

Unfortunately when people get sucked in it's like watching a prolonged suicide it just drags on and doesn't usually end well. 

[SwampDonkey]

Thank God for grandparents although it is not fair for them to have do devote their retirement years to do what didn't get done. This young woman was lucky. I should know.

Yeah, for sure. On her dad's side, her grampy is a retired farmer and that was about 5 years ago. And he has bad heart issues right now, and her grandmother now has dementia. His two boys, one being her dad, never amounted to much. Can't say I don't know why, put they had opportunities. The grandfather liked the bottle to but was more responsible, he was part of a trio around town that thought they was something. ;) One of that trio lost everything he had in the end for tax default. Left his widow with nothing. He was suppose to be the big investor with the smarts. I never saw the man sober in 40 years, drove drunk the whole nine yards. Cops never took his license, immunity I guess, who knows. There's always a history, if you want to look. As you can see, it's not just peaches and cream. ;)

[chet]

My eldest Grandson's girlfriend was raised the very same way other than both parents are assumed to be alive, but she has no clues as to whereabouts.  She and her younger sister are now with the grandparents, both are the sweetest kids you would ever want to meet.

[dustyhat]

Well, i never expected this thread to go this far, but it seems we all have a bigger epidimic than what the gov. tells us we have, but all the responses tells me its everywhere,  reading responses of people that can overcome it , it is good to hear , and just maby someone out there reading all this just maby can choose the right roads.