Jonsered 930 & 930 super

[weimedog]

I could not find a definitive period of time on line when the 930 super was sold and what the specific differences are between a 930 & 930 super. Anyone have information on those "super" 900's ?

[Spike60]

Certainly, someone has all that info . You should have taken a look when you were here last week. There are not 2 different models; in there is no such thing as a non-super 930.

The super moniker was in fact carried over from the 920. The 8's: 820 and 830 were not supers, but the larger displacement 920 and 930 were.

The primary change from the 20's to the 30's was initially the air filter set up, larger diameter top handleand spring top mount.  A kit to convert the 820 and 920 to the new filter set up was offered. 


The cylinders were carried over for the 1st 2 years until they opened the transfers to the cases to "improve the flushing process" in the engine, as outlined in a service bulletin from Feb 1989, which I have. 

Guys may also see listing for "deluxe" models. That simply means heated handles. Jonsered bounced around with how they labeled their heated saws. Finally settling on WH. but it does make for a lot of confusion. 

[CJ154SG]

Great info, Bob! Thanks! The earliest mention of a 920 Super, in the very limited literature I have, is the IPL dated 1984-09-25. Do you have anything earlier than that? Was there a change of carb part numbers from the pre-Super to the Super? I can only find reference to the HS-219 in the Tilly HS IPL as far as the 820/830 & 920/930 are concerned.

My reason for asking is that I noticed the change from the HS-218 (5/8" venturi) on the non-Super 630 to the HS-225 (11/16" venturi) on the 630 Super (I had an '86 Super with the HS-225A). I am curious if something similar happened with the 920, or if it got the Super designation from other parts updates?

[Spike60]

Point I was trying to make is there is there really wasn't a pre- Super 930. All 930's are supers. Super was a marketing term similar to XP in Husky land. Not sure if it was rolled out at the same time as the introduction of the 920, but for the most part, the Super designation is the same for the 920 and 930. 

There are a LOT of IPL updates throughout any model run. Can't assume a carb change denotes a change in the model designation. Carbs were one of the more frequent things to get changed too. Thing is, unless you have a service bulletin explaining the change, it's all guess work. I'll keep digging.

820 and 830 models were not Supers. And they were only about $30 less than the 9's. Which raises the why bother? question. But they are hard to tell apart when running them. At least with the 24" bars I typically have on mine.

[CJ154SG]

Thanks, Bob. I agree with your statement that Super was a marketing term like XP, where actual performance increases could be had coincidentally (as in the case of the 630) but not necessarily. It looks, at this point, like they started using the term in 1984, which predates the 30-series, as you said.

[Spike60]

1987 MIGHT be the first year of the 30's. 

Few more things came to mind while I was mowing the lawn.

Adding to the confusion, the word super was not on the  serial number tag. If you had a saw where the decals were long gone, you might conclude "it's not a super". Then there's clowns like me and Walt, who build saws that don't conform to original specs. The usual reason is we are trying to complete a saw with what we have. My 830 is not correct, as it has the 820 style top cover and filter, because that's all I had. But the rest of the saw is a legit 830. Quick look at 830 and 930 ipl's show they used the same carb too.

One if the limitations we have when we go back this far on the time line, is that very few of us were there when some of these saws were current models. Unlike saws such as the 372/2171, we have no real time experience of them being on the market and some of the changes and updates that took place.

Same for the 630 regarding use of the term super, but strangely, I have a 1987 670V, and the V is on the tag. (V was another term they tried for their heated handle saws for a while.) And speaking of that time frame, 86-87 is when the 630 chassis and its Husky brethren changed from the twin to single coil saws. There was a fair amount of overlap with both brands, so saws from 1987 could be early or later models. I have a 268XP from 1987 that still has black trigger, latch,Top handle wrap and fuel caps. Generally, those parts would be gray, so that is an early 268. 

The 630 carb change you referred to may simply be related to the twin to single coil update for that chassis. And it was a major update. The list of changes is LONG.   I'd have to look it up to verify, but I suspect they all got different carbs. Even the little throttle link was different.

[CJ154SG]

I hear you, Bob. Very rarely do things fit in tidy, little boxes when it comes to the history of saws (and a lot of other things). First priority for the manufacturers was not satisfying saw geeks' curiosity 4 decades into the future