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Poll: ID
« on: September 24, 2006, 07:24:05 PM »
There is talk about having a national ID card.  What do you folks think?  Do those outside the US have ID cards? 

Poll expires 10-9-06
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Re: Poll: ID
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2006, 07:53:40 PM »
If you were born here and are a citizen, absolutely not!  Our civil liberties are slowly being eroded and this trend has been speeded up in the wake of 9/11.  Too many people think that if you have done nothing wrong then an invasion of privacy is ok.
  A national Id card is a giant step on a very slippery slope!
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Re: Poll: ID
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2006, 07:56:22 PM »
I do not like the idea of a national ID card, however, I support having to show an ID to vote.
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Re: Poll: ID
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2006, 08:37:20 PM »
  I voted yes ... We already have a social security number ...  Why noit have it with a pic ...  It could be used as id at a national level , airports , customs ... Wont replace the pasport for those going over seas .. but could be the answer to the border crossing between Canada and the US 
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Re: Poll: ID
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2006, 08:55:14 PM »
I voted yes. There is a very large number of ilgeal's in this neck of the woods. Going to be interesting to see how folks that don't have the influx feel.
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Re: Poll: ID
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2006, 09:09:33 PM »
I guess I don't think a separate federal ID is necessary when we already have drivers licenses with photos.  In this state all adults must have a picture ID whether it be a drivers license or a state ID card.  What other info is needed that couldn't just be added to what we already carry ???
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Re: Poll: ID
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2006, 09:14:11 PM »
nope, reminds me too much of a religious belief I have.
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Re: Poll: ID
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2006, 09:31:52 PM »

Here in CR, there IS a Natl. ID Card. They try to screen illegals here, to avoid the drain on Social Services. Doesn't seem to be real successful, unless you get stopped by the Policia. I voted don't know. There is a big security problem throughout the world with stolen ID's.  ::) ::)
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Re: Poll: ID
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2006, 10:20:54 PM »
I didn't vote yet.  This is a question about which I haven't done sufficient cogitation.  However, I'll give you my initial, kneejerk reaction and reserve my final decision until later.

My first thought is, that it is a great idea.  Let's look at a couple of cold hard facts.  The Birth Certificate prove's absolutely nothing at all.  It merely reflects that somebody once said that somebody was born on a certain day, and that the Mother accused a certain male as being the Father.  It offer's no proof whatsoever that any one person is the one described on the document.  In a word, worthless!

The other primary form of identification used today is the Social Security number.  When I got mine, you weren't eligible to have one until you were fourteen.  When I was fourteen, I had to pass by the SS office on my walk home from school.  Me and ol' Cleve Dixon stopped in there one day and got us a card.  My parents weren't there, and I wasn't asked for any kind of ID.  This sweet old lady, who I'm sure is quite dead by now, just handed me a card with a number on it.  That card rotted away over 40 years ago, but I remembered the number, at least I think I did, and that's what I've been trading on, ever since.  I have no idea if the number I remember is what was actually on the card, or not, but that's the number all of my taxes have been paid to, and the number that I hope to recieve payment from in a couple of years.  I figger that in about two years, they'll decide that this system wasn't very good, and refuse payment, based on that skimpy evidence.

Oh yeah, getting back to the Birth Certificate;  I needed mine to apply for VA benefits last year, and I didn't have a copy.  My birth county isn't online yet, so I had to go up there and apply for it in person.  I just walked up to this window that had a little "talk hole" in it and told them what I wanted.  I poked a $10 bill through the slot and that pretty little gal made me a couple of copies of a document that stated that somebody was born on 9/3/46 and that person was in possession of a penis at that time, and his Mother was born on 12/25/21 and she accused a man, born on 6/2/19 of being the Father of said child.  The document was signed by a drunkard who was alleged to have attended Medical School at some time in the past.  With that, I was granted a large package of benefits from the US Government, who was totally convinced that I had played a large part in the preservation of our freedoms.  By the way, I sent that document to the Veterans Administration, and they sent me a copy of the records of some poor bloke I never heard of.  I got my end of it straightened out, but I don't know if he ever did. ??? :-\

I think I've made up my mind, now.  I'm gonna go vote "YES".  Maybe we'll have this "Identity Theft" problem licked in another 80 years or so. ::)
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Re: Poll: ID
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2006, 10:36:23 PM »
good golly, Dan, i figured you to have been born in like 1910 or something!

:)

I hear you on the birth certificate thing, but I have a better idea, make it a capital offense for identity theft, and also make it to where the Gov't gets back to what they should take care of and axe the rest of it, then we won't need those stinkin' numbers.

Avoiding voter fraud is about all I can see it's worth (or should be worth).  Since I'm from WV, and have seen dead people vote, i think that's a good thing.
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Re: Poll: ID
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2006, 10:59:44 PM »

 What about the footprint on the BC ???  Don't that prove nothin ???

  I gotta get an "Offishull" copy, of an "Offishull" copy of my BC and have it verified that it IS an "offishull" copy of an "Offishull" copy, so I can apply for permanent residency down here ???
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Re: Poll: ID
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2006, 11:03:53 PM »
Your foot still that small Harold ???

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Re: Poll: ID
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2006, 11:08:26 PM »
I hear ya on the ID theft penalty, but how ya gonna know the perp thiefed the ID if there ain't no proof of who the original holder of that ID was?  If the ID theft problem is ever gonna be defeated, we gotta have ironclad proof of ID, at birth.

Truth is the only answer, and I can only think of one reason for anybody to be afraid of that. ::) ;D

There weren't no footprint on my BC, Harold, but that would be a good place to start.  Let me know if they ask ya to take yer shoes off at any point in that process. ;D
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Re: Poll: ID
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2006, 11:31:38 PM »
what does counting to 11 have to do with national ID?

ok, I digress, and I'll behave now...

I really think we've backed ourselves into a corner.  I fear the ID system for the same reasons that Modat22 mentioned.  our society is heading to where it's going to have to happen, or we go the other direction where it won't matter anyway.

part of me wonders why it has to matter in the first place.  *shrug*
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« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2006, 11:43:04 PM »
So in order to have proof at birth in this day and age we are now talking about DNA samples kept on files same as fingerprints and hoping they don't corrupt them.
I have issuse with that whole idea, but how else can you proof at birth that anyone is anyone?

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Re: Poll: ID
« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2006, 12:39:20 AM »
Good question, Furby, but most anything would be better than what they're using now.  DNA, fingerprints, footprints, and the eyeball are all supposedly unique.  Maybe they could use a combination of them.
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Re: Poll: ID
« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2006, 10:23:09 AM »
I voted "Don't Know".  I do not have all the facts on the ins and outs of what might be proposed on the national id.  But, frankly, any governmental id (driver license, governmental agency produced id, etc.) is no more or less, for all practical purpose, a 'national id'.   The two main identifiers for anyone, are full name and date of birth.  With these two things, one can find the rest.

I have so many id's and governmental 'sponsorships', the whole 'id' thing has long been redundant to my particulars.  Yet, with all the different governmental knowledge, I am as independent as I am obsitantely opionated.  As well, I could disappear off the radar when and if it became necessary.  I can't see where a "national id" would hinder anything.  In fact, it might possibly/probably be more of an inundation into a central system enhancing the capability to become 'just another speck on the paper'.

Sometimes, it's better to hide in plain sight. 

Now, implanting chips or similar, is a different matter and might be a bona fide reason to fall off the radar.  But, on the other hand, it is an electronic, so, its manipulation might prove to be beneficial.

Summarily, to me, paying property taxes is the ultimate 'invasion of privacy', and since that has become such an accepted protocol, the rest is academic.
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« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2006, 10:52:47 AM »
I don't know either.  As said before, a drivers license is basically the same thing.  If they could modify it, to me there isn't a big problem.  Most of the information they are refering to is all public record, it would just be more convinient to have access to in one "card".  Mark 'o the beast is something else, no chips in me, no sir.
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Re: Poll: ID
« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2006, 11:11:35 AM »
voter fraud would be the thing I'd see it as being most useful to stop...never have understood why the democrats are against showing Identification to vote, unless they are trying to cheat!



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« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2006, 01:51:09 PM »
My fear is being confronted on the street, or a knock on my door by some bureaucratic law enforcement officer wanting to "see my papers".   Where have freedoms gone when the delineation between a citizen and a non-citizen is dependent upon the citizen carrying proof.  I don't carry papers now that say I'm not a thief, or not a child molester, or not a white collar criminal.

Social Security identifies you with a number that was never intended to be used for general identification.  As a matter of fact, it was a feared step in the U.S.A.'s trek toward Socialism.

When you have to go to "The Man" to get your sustenance, you need proof that you belong to him.

If we weren't so interested in caring and providing for the Illegal aliens that have crossed our borders, the assumption would be that we are all citizens.  Identification used to not be so difficult.  It still isn't if you aren't too afraid of hurting someone's PC feelings.  There was a time when you could say "You aren't from around here, are you?"

Big cities breed anonymity.  Labor jobs bring those with little education.  More money for entry level positions brings folks from all over the world.  The real answer is education.  That doesn't mean that we are responsible for providing it to the world's populace.

Don't let illegal aliens into the country.  If they get in, you as a citizen know who they are. 
Don't be complacent.  If you know someone is breaking the law, report them to someone who can do something about it.   Don't accept it as their right to be an illegal alien.  That's dumb.

Guaranteed salaries and social programs just create a candy store atmosphere for the low income citizens of other countries.  Why cover it up by imposing regulations upon the citizens.  Impose the regulations upon the immigrants.

Give the immigration authorities, border patrols and other law enforcement agencies the backbone to seal the borders and export illegals.  Follow the rules we have now for legal immigration.


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