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Curious as to why that is?  Thoughts?

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Re: Why are there more smaller Band Mill operators here then circle mill?
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2009, 02:43:36 PM »
  One thing I can think of is until the last few years there wasn't much well known option in regards to a portable mill other than Mobile dimesion type, or thin kerf bandmill. But I think we are slowly gaining on 'em ;)
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Re: Why are there more smaller Band Mill operators here then circle mill?
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2009, 02:51:52 PM »

 Having had both, I believe portable, easier to set up, one man + 1 helper or not, to operate. Much less intimidating without that big disc spinning close by. Less hard work for 1 man to run.
 Possibility of cutting in remote locations and cutting wider boards. Less money to operate per job, as in custom sawing on location.  ??? ???
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Re: Why are there more smaller Band Mill operators here then circle mill?
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2009, 02:52:44 PM »
What all is included in the "circle" mill?   Anything other than a band?  

And, where are you getting the numbers from, as to "more" smaller band operators?

Are you just talking portable mills, or any mills?
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Re: Why are there more smaller Band Mill operators here then circle mill?
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2009, 02:59:40 PM »
I'm using the Sticky at the top of this forum of "Iron Iventory". 
Circle Mill:
56" Saw, automatic carriage, feed, etc.
Band Mill:
Woodmizer, Timberking, etc.


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Re: Why are there more smaller Band Mill operators here then circle mill?
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2009, 03:37:44 PM »
also much less kerf with a band vs circle---more boards--takes more power to run a circle also--

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Re: Why are there more smaller Band Mill operators here then circle mill?
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2009, 04:56:51 PM »
Because the production is so much higher on a circle mill that it takes a lot more of those thin kerf bands to keep up.   :D

A lot depends on the markets you are trying to address.  If you're into custom or portable sawing, then the band mills or swing mills are a better route to go.  If you're looking at costs, then the bigger circle mills can drive costs down pretty much through higher production.  Each mill has its place.
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Re: Why are there more smaller Band Mill operators here then circle mill?
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2009, 04:57:51 PM »
I just figured that band mill operators still had all their fingers (so they can use a keyboard).  :D ;D
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Re: Why are there more smaller Band Mill operators here then circle mill?
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2009, 06:23:25 PM »
There are also just a lot  hobby/personal use or part time sawyers here  and are using band mills cause they are easier to use and maintain and cheaper to get into a decent one or fixer upper or build one.
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Re: Why are there more smaller Band Mill operators here then circle mill?
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2009, 06:26:17 PM »
I never lost any digits to a sawmill, but lost part of a toe in a wood splitter. 
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Re: Why are there more smaller Band Mill operators here then circle mill?
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2009, 07:03:42 PM »
I think part of the reason there are a lot more bandsaw mills is marketing. Not that it's the only reason but without the aggressive marketing campaigns of the various manufacturers over the past couple decades there would not be nearly as many.

I think in a word though the biggest reason is:


Wood-Mizer ;)


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Re: Why are there more smaller Band Mill operators here then circle mill?
« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2009, 07:34:43 PM »
lost a toe in a wood splitter, OK inquiring minds need to know how this is  done ???

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Re: Why are there more smaller Band Mill operators here then circle mill?
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2009, 09:19:22 PM »
Were still here. Watching the bandsaw guys change blades. :D :D
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Re: Why are there more smaller Band Mill operators here then circle mill?
« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2009, 12:12:40 AM »
I couldn't see how to get enough production out of a bandmill to survive and besides the horse people need sawdust for stalls. probobly the most reason for more bandmill than circle mills is cost of mill and support equipment. I guess a lot of guys arn't comfortable just a couple feet away from that big blade. 28yrs running a circle mill and I (nock on wood)have all my body parts.

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Re: Why are there more smaller Band Mill operators here then circle mill?
« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2009, 12:31:41 AM »
For me the decision was simple.
Thin kerf just makes sense.
Portability is what my business is based on.
Hydraulics makes handling the log a simple task.
Setworks allow for much more accurate cuts.
Smoothness of cut, why cut extra thick wood just to plane it off because the cut is rough.
Availability of a newer model, I have yet to see a 2000 or newer model bell saw.
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Re: Why are there more smaller Band Mill operators here then circle mill?
« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2009, 02:40:27 AM »
From a portable sawmill perspective:

There are a lot more band mill manufactures. 

There is a distinct difference in the safety, bands break and fly out, circle saws kick material out.

Circle mills cost more per feature.

Takes power to increase feed rate, same issue for either.

I have only found one customer who wanted the smoother surface typically created by band mill.

I have never had a customer question the recovery rate, I don't think this is an issue for them, it is an issue for folks who sell the wood they cut.

I run a Mighty Mite band mill, but Mighty Mite is much more famous for their Circular mills.
I would be happy to run one, but I still want my log handling hydraulics.



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Re: Why are there more smaller Band Mill operators here then circle mill?
« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2009, 05:26:32 AM »
Its pretty much the differance between a hoby and an industry.Most banders and swingers start off with their own projects then turn a buck for outhers.A little harder to start right off with a dedicated site and large machinery.Most circular sawyers are making a living  at it and are too tired to talk about it half the nite.Frank C.
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Re: Why are there more smaller Band Mill operators here then circle mill?
« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2009, 06:43:57 AM »
  I went from a circular mill to band mills. Less people required (I can saw by myself if I wish), less horsepower (electric bills), definitely higher yields (cypress got expensive and harder to get), safer, cheaper blade and blade maintenance costs (hit alot of nails). Also, I can have a slow sawyer on a band mill and it won't kill me, get a slow sawyer on a circle mill and a bunch of guys waiting on him and you will go broke. Now the production goes to the circle mill, but if your crowding your market or log supply, what does it gain you? The dust from the circle mill is a "gold mine" now, the band mill, not so much. Initial price can be cheaper now on the more manual circle mills. The resale values on them are terrible. The finish on the band mill is a positive in most cases, however, some have wanted the circle cut, "rustic" finish.
   People ask me which mill to buy. I've had a couple of circle mills, a couple of skraggs, and four band mills. I tell them it depends on alot of issues. If there was one perfect mill, we'd all be using it! There's not, so we don't.

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Re: Why are there more smaller Band Mill operators here then circle mill?
« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2009, 08:24:55 AM »
  One thing I can think of is until the last few years there wasn't much well known option in regards to a portable mill other than Mobile dimesion type, or thin kerf bandmill. But I think we are slowly gaining on 'em ;)
I think most of the older part time circle sawmillers don't do computers.  I know two or three around here.

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Re: Why are there more smaller Band Mill operators here then circle mill?
« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2009, 09:12:04 AM »
Gday

As some of You might have noticed  ;) :D Ive been doing a verry  indepth study ito this subject for along time now  ;) :D :D ;D ;D :D 8) 8) 8) ;) I call it Runing Horses for Corses  ;) ;D

As the saying goes No two Sawmillers are the Same  ;) ;D and We all like to do things Our Own Way  ;) ;D ;D 8) 8) 8)

Static Circs and Larger Bands  need alot of infrstructure to be productive Capital,Land,Log supply,labour ,Production planing ,power, material handeling eqip,ect ect   ;) ;D and thats why im holding of on the meadows build at the moment as i want it to be spot on when i start and not some Half Arsed thing  ;)  ;D 8) 8)

Portable circs swing mills ,twinsaws, are low puchase 7 running cost , flexable need minamal handeling equipment if needed  ;)are productive mills on std constuction and larger sizes and med 18" to large 60"+ dia range

Portable Band Sawmills are good mills on on most fronts low to medium purcase & running costs ,can be operated with minimal log handeling equipment if needed , can multiripp smaller sizes and can be extended to cut almost any length iff needed  and are productive on logs in the 10" to 24" dia range

With sawmilling I allways run on the pricipal that Time Vs Recovery  ;) ;D 8) and I get verry good recovery on avveage  ;D ;D 8) 8)

and If you where to put a New Hyd bandmill up against a New (eg 00 frick co) well setup manual Circular mill of the same price with good Sawyers  In Average logs 10 to36" dia  ;) I Reckon the Manual Circ would beat the Bandmill hands down once all the math was done at the end of the day  ;) ;D 8) 8)

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