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Anybody able to translate all marks on this
« on: April 08, 2010, 12:42:44 AM »
I kinda got the left hand side figured but what about the rest of the marks??
 


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Re: Anybody able to translate all marks on this
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2010, 12:59:13 AM »
It appears to be a sawing scale for some kind of band sawmill.   The left side is in true inches and when used on-the-inch will create a board that is one inch, minus the kerf.  Usually that is around a 7/8" board.

The other columns to the right are  quarter scales.  4/4 is said as four quarter.  It has the kerf figured outside of a full inch board.   Depending on the scale, it will usually generate a board that is between 1" and 1 1/8", though some might legally go as thick as 1 3/16"; as long as it doesn't reach 5/4, which is the same as 1 1/4"

The other columns are probably  representing 5/4 and 8/4 drops.  A clean column might be for you to mark your own.

My eyes aren't good enough to see the detail in the picture.
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Re: Anybody able to translate all marks on this
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2010, 01:12:18 AM »
the scale looks like the same one that is on my belsaw cicular saw  left column is for full 2 in lumber, middle is for 1-1/2 inch lumber and right column is for 1-1/4 inch lumber, figured with a 3/8 saw kerf.

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Re: Anybody able to translate all marks on this
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2010, 02:01:16 AM »
Is it on a circle mill?  It looks like a scale used on a circle mill.  ::)

 



From CC's photo album.  Is that the scale we're looking at standing to the left of the log?

In any case, band or circle; what they said.
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Re: Anybody able to translate all marks on this
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2010, 11:20:29 AM »
I have the same scale on my belsaw,I just use the numbers on the left side. They tell me what is left on the cant to the saw blade.Peder

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Re: Anybody able to translate all marks on this
« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2010, 01:50:28 PM »
Thanks I think that makes sence. I generally use the cheat wheel. I may have it set wrong because I set it reading from knee(headblock) to blade so This maybe wrong. A friend in Utah is sending me his old Bellsaw manual. I just wanted to sound Professional when someone ask what it does :D :D
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Re: Anybody able to translate all marks on this
« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2010, 06:39:48 PM »
must be a digital carpenter ant..
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Re: Anybody able to translate all marks on this
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2010, 08:12:31 AM »
One of the toughest things on a handset mill is setting your last slab cut so everything figures out to the last board.I made up a chart with the number of 1",2",and 4"pieces and where to take the last slab cut,never works out perfect but its close.Those scales depend on a certin width bit,for each cut includes the desired board width plus the kerf.The math will get you close final tweeking will need to be done to get real close.Most of the heavy handset mills can be adjusted real close.I've never had too much faith in those marks,I've always started my last slab cut acording to my chart,as always your mileage may vary.Frank C
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Re: Anybody able to translate all marks on this
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2010, 09:01:29 AM »
Hey Captain, I can email you two PDF files that are comeplete belsaw manuals from Timberking if you like.
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Re: Anybody able to translate all marks on this
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2010, 01:03:26 PM »
The biggest problems I had with the scales is trying to get down to a certain target size.  I wouldn't want to normally go below 6" for one side of a cant.  I learned how to saw from inside out in a hurry.  I could build a stack in my head and start from a point and end at the desired thickness.  When all else fails, you can write it down. 

Those scales assume you're going all the way and leaving a dog board the same thickness as you're sawing.

It gets to be fun when you saw multiple thicknesses, like 4/4 & 5/4 on the same log.
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Re: Anybody able to translate all marks on this
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2010, 01:47:06 PM »
   I can't do all the math in my head n keep it straight, so I use cheat sheets. If I'm cutting for ties, I'll start at 7 x9 , and add boards plus kerf to outside of largest log. Then all I have to do is cut to the next dimension, ending at my finished size. Same with 6 or 8 or 10 in lumber,have sheets for all common sizes. Not professional , but works for me.
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Re: Anybody able to translate all marks on this
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2010, 01:23:20 AM »
Jillian
That would be cool babjfoster@ msn is addy
I would like to figure this out I adjusted it to size of cant left and that parts work ok but have to scrach me bald spot too much to figure what is left on board side of saw
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Re: Anybody able to translate all marks on this
« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2010, 12:09:39 AM »
Brian, Tried to figure out the addy you listed. everything came back. Got a different Email addy I can try. Also if anyone else wants or needs a copy of these M14 Belsaw manuals let me know via PM and I can send them right out to you.
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Re: Anybody able to translate all marks on this
« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2010, 12:37:58 AM »
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Try again again if you would babjfoster@msn.com Think I forgot the .com part ::) ::) Me not puter wise can fix about anything else if I can get my hands on it but keyboards just ain't my style ;D ;D But have to admitt my typeing has went from 10 words per min to 15-20 8) 8) so must be comeing out of dark ages :D :D
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Re: Anybody able to translate all marks on this
« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2010, 07:26:51 AM »
I have several old and new books for my Belsaw. None of them explain this scale and how to read it. I use a steel yard stick with big black numbers to check my self against this scale. I need to make a cheat sheet. The printed copies of the complete manual are avialable from the good people at Timberking. They also have a few of the small parts left for the Belsaw. When is someone going to make this type of circular saw again? Price it under $8,000 and they would sell. Have the buyer sign a waiver that he will not hold the company responsible for any injuries. Is this even possible today?


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