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Peter Drouin · August 06, 2013, 06:09:25 PM

Is there a generic form for scaling logs and marking for defects on the form??? Or do you make your own?

drobertson · August 06, 2013, 06:22:44 PM

Peter, as far as I know, there is not, most of the time when grade logs come in here, the logger makes it known which ones and how many butts and seconds that are clear, the defects are part of the game, If I scale and grade each log then the lower ones will take a hit, most of the time it is a straight run, 300 a thousand, this is the going rate around here, If one were to follow the stats it will prove to be a very fair and accurate average for around here, david

Peter Drouin · August 06, 2013, 06:48:28 PM

Not what I meant. The form has symbols for rot and sweep and such for soft wood , not how many faces are good on hard wood, I know all about the hard wood

beenthere · August 06, 2013, 07:54:14 PM

Peter
Are you aware of such a form, or asking for something similar to various forms used for hardwoods?

Interested in your question, but need some more info about how you want to use such a form.

Maybe want it to sell logs, or to buy logs?
Or to inventory your logs?

rmack · August 06, 2013, 08:26:35 PM

Not sure if this is what you are after, but it may help. It will certainly keep you busy for a while.

http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/ftp/hva/external/!publish/Web/Manuals/Scaling/2011/Scaling2011NovMaster.pdf

http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/ftp/hva/external/!publish/Web/Manuals/Scaling/chapters/Ch1.pdf

http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/hva/manuals/scaling.htm

oops, the forms are here,

http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/isb/forms/lib/fs1210.pdf

http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/isb/forms/lib/fs1211.pdf

http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/isb/forms/lib/fs1212.pdf

Peter Drouin · August 06, 2013, 10:00:15 PM

I have a LOT of logs coming. Before I would buy a truckload or two, scale the logs and write a ck. Or go to my wood lots and get some
what rmack has is close to what im looking for . I thought I saw some that had symbols for rot or sweep splits an so on so when you put down the bf of the log and have a deduction I could use the symbols or numbers so the logger nows why the deduction.

drobertson · August 06, 2013, 10:15:39 PM

Lots of formulas, for sure, this is a head scratcher for me, junk is junk, not rocket science, no disrespect intended, how can you go over each log and saw out within a timely frame work? david

Peter Drouin · August 06, 2013, 11:02:23 PM

drobertson. I don't know what you're asking me . If a log has 50bf in it and has a 2' split in it there's only 45 bf of lumber in and that's what I pay for not the 50.
if it has a 2" sweep in it , the log lost some bf
There's a formula for sweep in a log.
I know how to scale a log. I just need the paper to fill out to make it easier for me.
The big boys have a electronic thing that will scale the log and send the info to the office

beenthere · August 07, 2013, 12:00:25 AM

Peter
Sounds like a 7 or 8 column log tally (data) form. Something like this.

Log # : scale diam : length : Gross scale : Deduction : Deduct for: : Net Scale : species

You might then be able to review the logs with your logger, and as well keep track of inventory if logs are sorted by species, log length, and possibly grade. Just depends on how much record keeping and keeping track of inventory you might want to consider.

Migal · August 07, 2013, 01:07:40 AM

I Agree BeenThere!

captain_crunch · August 07, 2013, 01:14:43 AM

Shurely there is an independent scaleing bearu to have make the call

Peter Drouin · August 07, 2013, 06:20:54 AM

Beenthere you have it. I was looking for a form that has that or I have to make my own and bring it to a printer to make a box full.

captain-crunch, all the loggers I have worked with say my scale is on the money. If you pith off a logger you get no logs and with no logs you have no saw mill business.

rmack · August 07, 2013, 08:27:12 AM

sounds like you might want a defect/premium column and a scale minus/plus defect/premium column. then you would need a defect/premium list somewhere on the page with the abbreviations to show what defect/premium you were adjusting for in order to avoid confusion.

giant splinter · August 07, 2013, 09:16:01 AM

Peter,
I have sold smaller logs in the past to a mill that buys peelers, he used a form that may be what you need and it did look like he made it himself. After checking into this further i found out the small mill is now a post mill and under new management. ( no one there knew J/S about the form).
I think if you can find a peeler mill or one of the specialty mills I would bet they could help, I remember the form he used was detailed and may have been printed on a computer as the ink was running when I signed it in the rain, I went through some old paperwork but did not find any old receipts that I could send you. Hope that this is of some help

mesquite buckeye · August 07, 2013, 10:42:59 AM

It would be easy peasy to make one up in excel and then just print them up when you need them. If you have a laser printer they won't melt in the rain. Also, you could print them on card stock or bristol to make them stiffer and less floppy in the wind. ;D

I think your idea is a really good one. The nice thing about making your own on the computer is if something either isn't needed or you need to add something, like a note column, you can easily change it. Remember, if it gets too wide for an 8 1/2 X 11 sheet, you can print it in landscape form so it will fit.

drobertson · August 07, 2013, 05:57:59 PM

Peter, Beenthere put up a nice form I'm thinking, however, when a load is piled, there is no way I can separate the stack to view the sweep in each log, or view the amount of knots or blemish , I do believe that the longer the log is the potential for sweep is inherent, and can be a bitter, I am thinking you cut on average allot of longer stock than I, and for this understand your need for a workable tally system, I hope you find one that works, If all else fails we should set up camp down south near Charlotte,NC they seem to be paying a premium for live edge slabs, david

loggah · August 07, 2013, 06:14:45 PM

Depends on the diameter and length of the logs,clear faces affect grade, but either way you should gain if your buying international rule and using a thin bandsaw blade. International was intended for a circular saw kerf,every four boards you saw with a thin blade you get a free board ;) Don.

mesquite buckeye · August 07, 2013, 07:14:58 PM

I love mill overrun. Helps to cover the losses to hidden rot, internal cracks etc. ;D

Peter Drouin · August 08, 2013, 06:36:48 AM

Quote from: drobertson on August 07, 2013, 05:57:59 PM
Peter, Beenthere put up a nice form I'm thinking, however, when a load is piled, there is no way I can separate the stack to view the sweep in each log, or view the amount of knots or blemish , I do believe that the longer the log is the potential for sweep is inherent, and can be a bitter, I am thinking you cut on average allot of longer stock than I, and for this understand your need for a workable tally system, I hope you find one that works, If all else fails we should set up camp down south near Charlotte,NC they seem to be paying a premium for live edge slabs, david

I allways have the trucker spread the load out so I can see all the logs

petefrom bearswamp · August 08, 2013, 07:57:36 AM

I am retired and not into high production so just have the trucker unload by length then go thru the pile one by one to scale.
I get a lot of 21 ft logs in so that i can cut 2 10s, or 1-8 and 1- 12 so estimate the volume in these as my scale stick only goes to 16'
My loggers trust my scale and i only hurt myself if I hurry too much.
I deduct for sweep, crook and checks in the end etc. and have had no complaints.
I agree with Mesquite that a sheet is be easily made using Excel.
I have also scanned talley sheets and printed them from the photo program. A little cumbersome to do but it works for me.