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Anyone else seeing log prices dropping ?
« on: March 25, 2015, 09:16:49 PM »
 I ran a load down the other day to the local mill i deal with and i know it wasnt the greatest but i was in for a shock on the lowgrade, what was bringing $325 mbft is down to 275 or 200 on #3-#4 RO. The mill scaler, part owner told me to hold off bringing or cutting nice oak or maple for a while till stuff comes back. Any of you guys seeing stuff drop ?

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Re: Anyone else seeing log prices dropping ?
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2015, 10:29:02 PM »
nope........i don't like hearing this

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Re: Anyone else seeing log prices dropping ?
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2015, 10:33:13 PM »
Yeah I know guys around here have been dropping prices. Some are having a tough time moving grade lumber. And some of the pallet companies are starting to fill up as well.
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Re: Anyone else seeing log prices dropping ?
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2015, 11:10:55 PM »
Red and white oak flooring is down right now, the flooring planer mill has not bought any for about two weeks now, basically the Chinese have shut down at the moment.  They were planning to start buying lumber in a couple of weeks and said give it a month or so and they would buy from me being I am new on the scene.  They are installing triple the kiln capacity and plan to mill 12 million bft next year so I don't think it a giant bump. 
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Re: Anyone else seeing log prices dropping ?
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2015, 11:24:09 PM »
ya hm sm ch oak all went down but ash went up  8) 8) have 2 ash jobs to do side by side

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Re: Anyone else seeing log prices dropping ?
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2015, 11:53:27 PM »
I also have been told the Chinese are not buying red oak. For a while our market are not even taking the lower grades.
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Re: Anyone else seeing log prices dropping ?
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2015, 05:31:30 AM »
Only the low grade where I sell to, everything else is holding so far.
When all else fails, cut it and see what happens.
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« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2015, 05:47:12 AM »
 There for a while last yr i was shipping it all. The price on the real good stuff is still up but i rarely get lots that have 100mbft of great stuff. I guess the plan is to knock some hemlock and firewood out and see how the cards fall. Get stuck on this boat much more and im going to scream.  :o  my "relief" is competent enough to add oil, i dont get paid to hold someones hand this much.  :D

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Re: Anyone else seeing log prices dropping ?
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2015, 06:36:37 AM »
Our hardwood mill shut down for awhile blaming lack of logs .

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Re: Anyone else seeing log prices dropping ?
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2015, 06:47:10 AM »
Do you think it's just cause of mud season coming into play now?  Most mills will stock up with logs to get through mud season, if it was normal weather this year we'd be in mud season right now, so maybe they're just stocked up enough and not buying anymore
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« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2015, 06:56:39 AM »
 Ash is still paying pretty good, the better HM and CH paying ok but 200mbft delivered makes the firewood pile grow alot quicker.  :D  Ive been dealing with Cooksburg / Indian Ridge and they have been very decent, i may get a touch more at B+B / Baileys but they dont really want the lowgrade.

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Re: Anyone else seeing log prices dropping ?
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2015, 07:31:10 AM »
Prices coming down here too.
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« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2015, 08:04:50 AM »
I was told this morning that oak will continue to fall with all the ash that is being cut    ash and oak are vary vary  similar and after the two are milled and all the good stuff you cant tell the difference between the two

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Re: Anyone else seeing log prices dropping ?
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2015, 09:22:35 AM »
Try Hudson River hardwoods
When all else fails, cut it and see what happens.
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Re: Anyone else seeing log prices dropping ?
« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2015, 10:40:32 AM »
It all seems to be holding steady here.
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Re: Anyone else seeing log prices dropping ?
« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2015, 11:17:18 AM »
All the replies seem to be from hardwood country, but it's the same out here for Douglas Fir. Chinese have quit taking logs, which was near 25% of the market at times. Combined with such a mild winter here, the mills are full and taking very little. Add in the finished lumber from Canada, and prices have dropped significantly.  Flip side is prices were really high for awhile, and people cashed in.

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Re: Anyone else seeing log prices dropping ?
« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2015, 12:22:19 PM »
all this china not buying talk dosn't bode well.
monkey, i won't cut wood thats less than 300, we were getting 370 for common saw last i sold any.......hope it don't go under 300

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Re: Anyone else seeing log prices dropping ?
« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2015, 05:47:46 PM »
What Brad said.  I sold one load (a little over 2000 bf on a self-loader) of DF for a good price in February, but the prices dropped enough this month that I'm sitting on a third of a load waiting to see if they go back up enough to make it worth hauling.  I may have enough trees to fill up a second load but I'm not going to have them cut if prices don't go up.  I'll make firewood of it if it's still there in a year.

Most of the grades on the load were over $600/thousand board feet.  About 1900 for the load, though I had to pay that much in road work alone and for the logging and hauling.  If I sell another load this year for those prices I'll break even.  I don't have enough trees ready for any more, yet. 
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« Reply #18 on: March 27, 2015, 06:40:08 PM »
just had the mills in yesterday and today to bid on some logs I just logged , I averaged $700/1000 sitting on the landing ,logs are ok but not great timber , I'm cutting alot nicer HM now ,  the mill pays the trucking so I think not to bad as I did have almost half in soft maple , it was nice and white and no worm , I got paid the most the winning mill ever paid me for red and white oak prime logs . everyone around here heres about the price dropping but so far at least I half not seen that and honestly hope it doesnot as I'm sitting on just over 2 million feet of hardwood timber I have already bought and paid for , big drop could hurt me and my piggy bank  >:(

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« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2015, 07:31:20 PM »
One of the reasons a hardwood mill closes in these parts is not having ample crown timber allocation. Not enough supply coming from private woodlots and probably a lack of volume contracts from loggers of private land. I see one hardwood mill in NS went down because they couldn't secure volume from crown land. Most of our commercial mills if not all are tied to volumes off public timber land. They do not have to go door to door beating the bushes for the next block of timber. Too easy. And if they can't have easy, they pull out.
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