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Diesel for lube
« on: January 06, 2016, 09:28:59 PM »
This question is for the guys who use diesel fuel, for blade lube.  I'm thinking about going this route, but I'm curious if it leaves stains or discoloring on the finished board.  I know a few commercial sawyers that use it all the time, so I'm guessing the answer is no.   :new_year:
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Re: Diesel for lube
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2016, 09:56:38 PM »
I would NEVER use straight diesel for lube.
Cost to much
Makes your belts wear fast......a lot of diesel will make the belts mushy.
May not be good for your lubemizer sprayer motor and the "0" rings. But disregard this is you have a gravity fed drip lube.


I ONLY add liquid soap to my water and have a spray bottle on hand full of diesel.
If my blade build ups....spray to clean with diesel, wash it off with the lube spray and keep sawing.

I have NEVER had diesel fuel show up on my lumber.
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Re: Diesel for lube
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2016, 10:30:56 PM »
I remember in Scout camp we used diesel on the wood in the campfire to make it burn.  So, be careful.
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Re: Diesel for lube
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2016, 11:39:39 PM »
manual lt30 use it on a foam paint brush when build up becomes excessive and when I shut mill off to prevent blade rusting,  Just a hobby sawyer
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Re: Diesel for lube
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2016, 01:53:41 AM »
This question is for the guys who use diesel fuel, for blade lube.  I'm thinking about going this route, but I'm curious if it leaves stains or discoloring on the finished board.  I know a few commercial sawyers that use it all the time, so I'm guessing the answer is no.   :new_year:
I have used diesel strait for the last 10 years with my lubmizer which had to be modified as  POSTONLT40HD said the stock pump wont take petrolium products. I have my lubmizer at a lower setting and the 5 gallon tank of diesel lasts about 60 hours or more. I cut mainly western red cedar and sitka spruce which seems to soak the minute diesel spray without any stain or smell. I cant comment on hardwoods as I dont cut much of that but Im thinking hardwood would(thats a mouthful :D)be less forgiving.....
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Re: Diesel for lube
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2016, 02:20:27 AM »
I've used straight diesel for quite a while now with no adverse effects. But my mill is home made. I don't know about the lubemizer, I used a universal windshield washer pump. I give it a squirt at the end of each cut, blades stay clean, and no stain or smell that I can detect on the lumber. I use just a little over a quart of diesel a day, so at say $2.25 a gallon that's about $0.56 a day for blade lube. If there's a difference in belt life, I haven't noticed it. But if you use a constant drip, or flood the blade it might make a difference.
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Re: Diesel for lube
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2016, 04:15:02 AM »
Someone used vegetable oil .
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Re: Diesel for lube
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2016, 06:22:28 AM »
I use it a wipe and have never gotten stain or smell. (Check my gallery for pics). My main customers are wood workers and have never gotten a complaint. One customer, in fact, had me saw reclaimed warehouse beams which he sold to architects and builders at a shocking price. Don't use it as a drip as those with water lube do - that would be a different story.
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Re: Diesel for lube
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2016, 06:46:59 AM »
Straight diesel in a drip. No problems with belts or wood. Mostly SYP.
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Re: Diesel for lube
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2016, 07:06:28 AM »


  Water in the summer, diesel in the winter about a drop every 2 to 3 seconds keeps the blade cleaner than a lot of water.  3 gallons last a long time, way cheaper than running washer fluid and still freezing up.   Steve
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Re: Diesel for lube
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2016, 07:18:53 AM »
I have no idea about finished lumber. I have seen the way WM use water and it's a BIG diffeant than the way I use diesel. I use half bar and a chain oil and diesel for a lube,mixed half and half. And the next part is VERY important. Just a drip once every 2-3 seconds. And I mean a drip every 2-3 seconds. Most of you guys saw more in a week than I do all year. So I have no idea about the belts. Mine are still fine after 10 years. I have not noticed any spots on the lumber that I saw. But I do not make furniture,meaning I don't use a finish on my wood,so I have no idea if it would bother the finished product or not.
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Re: Diesel for lube
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2016, 10:19:32 AM »
I've not tried, but also have considered.  Regarding belts and diesel wear, has anyone tried the urethane belts from timber wolf?  http://timberwolfbandmillblades.com/proddetail.php?prod=BMX-18.75

their site says "highly resistant to blade lubricants" (btw, can only use this belt on idle side).

Maybe I will try some diesel tomorrow.  reswire - were you thinking of straight diesel or diesel/bar oil mix?  any suggestions as to one or the other from anyone?  and to ladylake (or others with b20 using diesel) - do you use the standard b20 lube tank and system from TK for the diesel or a different one?  Thanks, Jake.

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Re: Diesel for lube
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2016, 10:50:22 AM »
I use straight diesel as lube with no problems. It was recommended by Cooks. My mill has steel band wheels, and after I got the diesel adjusted correctly I have had no issues with it on the boards or making my clothes smell.

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Re: Diesel for lube
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2016, 12:08:14 PM »
We keep a spray bottle of diesel on the mill. If the blade starts to get buildup I'll hit it with one or two squirts while it's running and that usually clears it up pretty good. Haven't had any issues other than spray bottles don't seem to last as well as I'd like.
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Re: Diesel for lube
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2016, 03:41:13 PM »
Best bottles I found that hold up is the ones made for spraying WD-40 that you buy by the Gallon.
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Re: Diesel for lube
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2016, 03:52:11 PM »
When Red Clay Hound had the LT15, we used water + detergent most of the time, but I got my hands on a few large, pitch-soaked white pine logs that absolutely refused to be sawed due to pitch buildup. I switched to diesel, and the blades stayed clean and I got perfect cuts even in knotty, pitchy, 16"-wide wood. We continued to use diesel for a while, but it eventually ruined the drip lines and the O-rings in the lube container, so we replaced them and resorted to diesel only when necessary. Red Clay has the LT40 now, and I don't think that he ever runs diesel any more.
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Re: Diesel for lube
« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2016, 04:11:14 PM »
We keep a spray bottle of diesel on the mill. If the blade starts to get buildup I'll hit it with one or two squirts while it's running and that usually clears it up pretty good. Haven't had any issues other than spray bottles don't seem to last as well as I'd like.

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« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2016, 05:51:03 PM »
I use 50/50 diesel and bar oil in spray bottle as needed .
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Re: Diesel for lube
« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2016, 10:26:32 PM »
Thanks everyone, I appreciate the advice.
 
I've been cutting a lot of pine lately, and the pitch build up has driven me crazy!  I usually run detergent in the lube system, but it just wasn't doing the job.  A good friend recommended using diesel, to see if it would make any difference.  It didn't take long before the cuts were straight, and the finish on the board was improved.  My buddy worked in a large commercial band mill company, and he said that was all they used for blade lube.  He did warn me about diesel/dust buildup, and how it has caused commercial mill operations to go up in flames rather quickly..

My only concern, was the damage it might do to finished wood products. However, I suppose most woodworkers plane and sand enough to take care of that! 
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Re: Diesel for lube
« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2016, 10:33:48 PM »

My only concern, was the damage it might do to finished wood products. However, I suppose most woodworkers plane and sand enough to take care of that!





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