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Started by Mesquite cutter, January 10, 2020, 01:17:41 AM

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Mesquite cutter

Okay I am considering buying a sawmill.  I have been considering Woodland Mills, Wood-Mizer and Timber King.   There is quite a bit of price difference in these three brands.  From your experience what is your opinion on these three sawmill brands?  Thanks
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SawyerTed

An important question, what are you trying to accomplish with the mill?

You didn't say what models you are considering.  You will need to compare similar machines.

All three manufacturers you list build sawmills that make quality lumber.  
Woodmizer LT50, WM BMS 250, WM BMT 250, Kubota MX5100, IH McCormick Farmall 140, Husqvarna 372XP, Husqvarna 455 Rancher

WV Sawmiller

   I think you will be well pleased with the quality and service support from any of the 3 you mention as well as several other name brand (sponsors here on the FF). Just compare the features and see what you must have and can afford for your needs and if possible go observe and maybe run the mill you are most interested in.

    I can't give you a recommendation because I am biased. :D
Howard Green
WM LT35HDG25(2015) , 2011 4WD F150 Ford Lariat PU, Kawasaki 650 ATV, Stihl 440 Chainsaw, homemade logging arch (w/custom built rear log dolly), JD 750 w/4' wide Bushhog brand FEL

Dad always said "You can shear a sheep a bunch of times but you can only skin him once

frazman

If you haven't seen it yet, Woodland Mills have come up with there 10th anniversary mills on all three models. I just purchased the HM 126 in November but seeing what they have to offer now, I would have have purchased the 2020 models...

Mesquite cutter

I am considering getting a mobile sawmill and maybe have a max cut of 28 inches or so.   I am just not sure which one to go with.  
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thecfarm

Welcome to the forum. Going to be sawing for others a lot? You will want/need hyds. 
I only saw for myself so I can get by with a manual mill. A manual is a lot of work and time.
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YellowHammer

If I was going to do mobile sawing, or even moderate quantity stationary sawing, and having owned three Woodmizer mills, I would go with one in the LT40-LT50 range.  They are a well proven design, rugged workhorses, produce a lot of accurate lumber, and have all the bells and whistles needed to grow your business if you desire.  They also have incredible resale value and will sell within a couple weeks if you want to get out of them.  
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Take steps to save steps.

If it won't roll, its not a log; it's still a tree.  Sawmills cut logs, not trees.

Kiln drying wood: When the cookies are burned, they're burned, and you can't fix them.

Sawing is fun for the first couple million boards.

Be smarter than the sawdust

Southside

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Eh?  I think you need to spend less time in your new walnut steam chamber.  Things are getting mushy. :D
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Mesquite cutter

Quote from: thecfarm on January 11, 2020, 06:13:08 AM
Welcome to the forum. Going to be sawing for others a lot? You will want/need hyds.
I only saw for myself so I can get by with a manual mill. A manual is a lot of work and time.
That is one of questions that I cannot get myself to answer.  I am thinking of sawing slabs and trying to sell some of them.   I noticed that the Woodland Mills brand is quite a bit cheaper in price. (like 4K).  The engine is quite a bit smaller but would 14 horsepower be enough.  I like that fact that it has a wide cutting throat.  I will not be milling logs that wide but many mesquite logs are not very straight.  It may be what I am looking for in milling crooked logs.   I like the price too.   Any of you have experience with Woodland Mills.  I am looking at Norwood also.  It seems like a solid mill.   I will entertain your biased and unbiased opinions. 
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Mesquite cutter

I was looking at the TimberKing sawmill.  The welded bedframe seems like a good option in comparison to other bedframes from other sawmills that are bolted together.   I guess I could aslo weld the bedframe together once it is bolted together.  
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Haleiwa

Mesquite is hard and has a lot of directions to the grain.   You will need plenty of power to saw it.  I don't think you will be happy with 14 horsepower. 
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Mesquite cutter

Thanks for the advise.  Most of what I have is mesquite, live oak and Texas Ebony.  I think it will be the wood-mizer or the Timberking.  
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ladylake

 
 More power the better, get some 4° blades right away for tough wood.. They also saw easy wood great.   Steve
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Quote from: Mesquite cutter on January 12, 2020, 02:01:45 AM
I was looking at the TimberKing sawmill.  The welded bedframe seems like a good option in comparison to other bedframes from other sawmills that are bolted together.   I guess I could aslo weld the bedframe together once it is bolted together.  
My WM frame is welded. I can't say about the smaller model mills but mine
 is welded.

Howard Green
WM LT35HDG25(2015) , 2011 4WD F150 Ford Lariat PU, Kawasaki 650 ATV, Stihl 440 Chainsaw, homemade logging arch (w/custom built rear log dolly), JD 750 w/4' wide Bushhog brand FEL

Dad always said "You can shear a sheep a bunch of times but you can only skin him once

GAB

@Mesquite cutter 
Sawmills are somewhat like footwear, different configurations for different occasions.
If you had a wide head Wood-mizer LT-50, a Lucas with the widest or longest slabber bar available, and a small mill 
like a Woodland 126, or a Wood-mizer LT-15 or other small mills available for the small stuff you'd be pretty well set.
GAB
W-M LT40HDD34, SLR, JD 420, JD 950w/loader and Woods backhoe, V3507 Fransguard winch, Cordwood Saw, 18' flat bed trailer, and other toys.

AnthonyW

Let me put it this way. Based on all of the information and posts on here about the Wood-Mizer support. I just recently considered purchasing an 1987 LT30 that has the powered head and drive (my LT25 is manual on both). It has been sitting for 10 years and would need to be completely stripped, sandblasted, repainted, rebuilt, etc. I ONLY considered this because it was/is a Wood-Mizer.

P.S. Before I could make a reasonable offer ($1000-1500, asking $6500) the machine sold.
'97 Wood-Mizer LT25 All Manual with 15HP Kohler

jeepcj779

If you plan to do mostly slabbing, and don't regularly need dimensional lumber larger than 2x8 (x 7 7/8 to be exact), you might take a look at the Lucas 7-23 and a slabbing attachment. You can get the mill, slabbing attachment, and a planer attachment for just over $15K. This setup allows for cutting dimensional lumber up to 7 7/8 x 7 7/8 without having to turn the power head. If you need something bigger, you can urn the power head a cut boards/beams over 15". The slabber attachment can do slabs up to 60" wide, and you can use the planer head to put on a better finish. I think this setup gets you a lot of bang for your buck.

YellowHammer

WM mills are welded and very strong.  Even the LT15 is welded except where the sections join.

The LT40 truss style bed design will not permanently bend with anything less than a 95 hp, 4WD tractor pulling on it.   :D
YellowHammerisms:

Take steps to save steps.

If it won't roll, its not a log; it's still a tree.  Sawmills cut logs, not trees.

Kiln drying wood: When the cookies are burned, they're burned, and you can't fix them.

Sawing is fun for the first couple million boards.

Be smarter than the sawdust

jeepcj779

Sounds like there might be a good story behind that comment...

Mesquite cutter

Quote from: jeepcj779 on January 12, 2020, 12:51:38 PM
If you plan to do mostly slabbing, and don't regularly need dimensional lumber larger than 2x8 (x 7 7/8 to be exact), you might take a look at the Lucas 7-23 and a slabbing attachment. You can get the mill, slabbing attachment, and a planer attachment for just over $15K. This setup allows for cutting dimensional lumber up to 7 7/8 x 7 7/8 without having to turn the power head. If you need something bigger, you can urn the power head a cut boards/beams over 15". The slabber attachment can do slabs up to 60" wide, and you can use the planer head to put on a better finish. I think this setup gets you a lot of bang for your buck.
What I do not like about the slabbing attachment is that it uses a chainsaw chain for slabbing.  I figure after four slabs I am turning an inch of wood into saw dust.  That is a lot of sawdust after several logs when you want to cut thin slabs.
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Ianab




Fair enough, I don't think it would be the right mill for you either. Chainsaw slabbers come into their own on the really BIG logs. A band mill that can handle a 5 ft dia log is neither cheap nor portable.  If you are looking at slabbing logs under 28". then a bandsaw makes sense. And if you primarily want to cut slabs, then you probably don't NEED the power options, as long as you have some way to move logs and slabs, like a tractor / forklift etc. 
I do agree that mesquite, being one of the harder woods, you want a bit more power, and blade selection is important. 
Weekend warrior, Peterson JP test pilot, Dolmar 7900 and Stihl MS310 saws and  the usual collection of power tools :)

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