new saws

[Spike60]

Ed, the lean and green thing is a BS. Both companies play along with the climate clowns where they have to. We're green, we are good progressive environmental citizens. Bla, bla, bla. Yet, both companies have factories in South America that still manufacture the models we wish they never discontinued. OE 372, 288, and even 272. Same for Stihl, for whatever models. Sure would have liked to be able to order from Huskys Brazil factory! And while they are unable to sell these models in North America, The Chinese clones of these very same models can be ordered by anyone on Amazon apparently immune from the EPA regulations that prevent Husky and Stihl from selling the real things. 

Getting me worked up here. But Happy New year to all you guys. 

[ehp]

Yes Spike but remember I live north of the border and the green BS is pushed way way harder here than where you are , I never had a single problem with Mtronic until the saws said made in 2024 and now everyone I run are lean so its a programming issue I say the govt is shoving down their throats , you guys can still buy some stihls that use carbs where its been years sense we could buy one , but I turned back to a saw that has always had my back and that the 365/372XT , if lean just open the jet 

[ehp]

I do honestly hope we can get a new govt in up here that can think straight and help us out cause things are bad up here and only getting worse fast 

[Spike60]

Maybe Biden will have room for Trudeau at the retirement village.

[doc henderson]

Maybe they will do daily joint press conferences for fun, and all the residents will request hospice.

[ehp]

I guess on Monday or Tuesday I'm to find out if Stihl is going to fix them , those 2 saws have been there for over 2 months , what if this was a young guy just starting out logging and he buys 2 new 462 arctics for his work and both are junk . That would put him in a bad place . I'm lucky that I have lots of saws so just grab another 

[Woodfarmer]

I bought a used 462 a while ago just to try it out. It's probably the best starting saw I own.  Couple pulls cold and always fires on one when warm.
I havn't much time on it felling, currently it's on my firewood process. 
*DanG thing spit a split back and broke the recoil cover. 
Other than that, it runs good.

[ehp]

The 462 was one of the best running saws out there plain and simple , there were a total of 9 new 462 arctics sold in this area in the last bit and 8 are history , the other one has not been run so maybe its a good one but not holding my breathe , not a good thing when the stihl dealer calls the guy and ask is yours still running cause none of the others are, 

[ehp]

So Stihl Canada is not going to fix either saw even thou they know its a mtronic problem so I'm going to fix them but there will not be any more of these saws at my best 

[ZeroJunk]

I don't claim to know the thinking behind any of it. We sell more blowers and weed eaters than chainsaws. We have had issues with 4 Mix blowers, MS500I's , etc.  And, we have never had Stihl turn us down on any warranty claim, ever.

[SwampDonkey]

My experience with Stihl the last 3 years is mislabelled parts bag sometimes (happened twice - not the right part in the bag for that number), sending a part that has a different part number than was ordered (happened once). Or calling it a 'back order' part on their latest model saw and never seeing it for months. At this point it's been 8 months and no sign of it. Brand new saw, new model. Can't get parts. That's not so bad for the back yard guy, but how do you make a pay cheque when the saw ain't working? These are all German made parts on these clearing saws. From what I've been seeing about their economy over there since the war it's not in great shape. Destroy your own economy over the cause I guess.

[Al_Smith]

I don't think it's all that simple .It might say Stihl on the package it comes in but made by somebody else not in Germany .From working around number of Germans involved in the machinery used in the auto industry that in fact it's just like US made automobiles .You really have no idea where a part was made or who made it .I've been told a number of those parts were made in Turkey for one .We all should know some would be made in China .It's a world wide marketing and world wide parts sources weather we like it or not .

[Al_Smith]

To further ramble along it wasn't too long ago they managed to stick a big motorized barge commonly called a bulk carrier sideways in the Suez canal halting production in the entire world .The USA and Canada got caught with their pants  down .No parts no product .Since then I know of two gigantic industrial complexs being built in the US ,one in New York state and one near Columbus Ohio .Should have done that decades ago IMO .

[SwampDonkey]

When the parts and the saw itself say made in Germany. Where do you think it's made?    But yeah, they could have been picked out of a bulk box and packaged over there or over here.  Doesn't change the outcome with their name behind it. 

From the looks of their Canadian site, they took down their page for the FS561. Can't find it anywhere on their Canadian site.

https://www.stihl.ca/en/search?text=FS%2520561%2520C-EM&offset=2

But over on the USA site it's still up.

https://www.stihlusa.com/products/trimmers-and-brushcutters/brushcutters-and-clearing-saws/fs561cem/?aqid=751ff3cc99a89f7c25d74a074fc7225e

[Spike60]

I know NOTHING about Stihl, but could swaping in earlier 462 mtronic parts correct the problem?

[ehp]

I'm not sure if the new computer will allow older tune downloaded to it say a 2021 year tune but were going to find out when I get abit plus I have a brandnew 462 complete crankcase sitting here so can swap out whatever I need 

[ehp]

The dealer is sure not happy with Stihl not doing anything as I buy alot of product off them but with me running a different brand I will not be coming in near as often and for some reason lots of people watch what I do and say . Sense going to the other dealer I have bought 8 saws for me and Pete, 5 other guys in my area have went there and bought new husky saws . I'm not saying Husky is better than Stihl but what I am saying is Husky is WAY cheaper to buy than Stihl , We bought a 395 with 28 inch bar setup up and a 500i cost me $600 plus the difference at 13% more for the 500i , I can buy 2 of the 562 xp and put a couple hundred bucks back in my pocket or 2 of the 365 xt and have enough coin left for lunch . The price on the 462 arctics right now are $1800 plus tax . 

[ZeroJunk]

Well, if you switch the ignition module and the solenoid or complete carb and it worked on the old crankcase it should work on the new one.

Monkey wrench would be if they have messed with the flywheel timing or something.

[ZeroJunk]

I apologize for telling people what they already know. The way those things work is  the solenoid leans the fuel out and and the control responds to what happens. If the RPM does not decrease then it will leave it leaner. If the RPM decreases the control module will tell the solenoid to add more fuel.  Does it over and over at a rate that is not perceptible to the user.

Maybe supposed to work in this case.

[Woodfarmer]

So what exactly is the reason Stihl won't fix them? They would be under warranty?

[ehp]

Stihl never gave the dealer a reason but I'm sure they are going to say its the fuel  but the dealer told them that we had 5 saws running out of the same can as we did cause guys were cutting firewood well I was cutting trees in the bush , I'm not the only guy that had any problems with the new 462 arctics blow up or not run correct and stihl never warranty any of them and those guys were using that stihl gas you buy in a can . I have never had a single warranty claim ever on a stihl saw or product . Stihl around here seems to think they are the only player in town and to a point they are , we have echo dealers but no husky dealers left in this area so have to travel abit but I'm fine with that as I normally do not need much as I keep a lot of saws and bars and chains with me at all times , I use 2 saws most days for myself, saw for  felling timber and a saw for bucking up, but I have 5 to 7 with me just in case, not sure in case of what but just in case lol 

[ehp]

yes I got parts but my mind works a bit different , I spend or did spend a fair amount of coin at that dealership and I feel I should not have to fix something thats not my fault or problem . I feel I'm 110% correct in thinking this should be fixed as I just spent I guess $3500 plus tax on those 2 saws that never ever ran right and only got a very few hours run time on them . . It has nothing to do with the money , its how I feel on how i'm treated . We have a stihl dealer on every corner here and because so many dealers they are not selling that many saws , I'm sure I pass 10 stihl dealers on my way to the husky dealer 

[barbender]

It's pretty short sighted of them not to take care of you.

[SwampDonkey]

They used to be a sponsor of the forum at one time. But we buy $1900 brush saws here. I keep two, one spare (usually the spare is 3 years old or up to 7). I actually have 3 running saws, one is Husqvarna FX550, which I like but not tough enough for me. But on a good day I can cut more ground on it than Stihl 561, so light and easier to manoeuvre, shorter shaft, front end angled a little different. But cable is not mounted solid enough and I bust handle bar bolts easy on them. $10 at shop, 49 cents at industrial supply shop. :D That thing will scream. :D Stihl make the most rugged brush saw. I never had a problem with their engines on any of them. The problem these days is parts. Used to have a part within 3 days, now it's 3 weeks, 3 months, 6 months or 2 years.  Ed's right about the amount of Stihl dealers around. They are all tractor dealerships around here, mostly John Deere. But one local one is a Koyote dealer, which is better service than at John Deere places. There's a Kabota dealer a ways off that is good to, but too far for me. There's only one saw shop that I know that only do small engines and all brand saws, no tractors. He's too far to except I stop in sometimes when I go up that way for something else. Other saw shop is Echo, Husqvarna but they over priced on parts and oil and stuff. I go there for chainsaws as I buy Husvarna chainsaws. I never blew up a saw off Canadian Tire mix oil (Irving) or pumped gas. And those clearing saws run higher rpm at longer duration all day long as you're stepping along. Same owner though as the Stihl shop I go to. Never did figure out why blades are different prices, guys told me last year they started charging $45 for blades, Stihl shop is $32, which is still almost double price since 2010. Used to get blades for $18. Local forest products marketing board and local mill bought all brand new Stihl 561 clearing saws last year for crews, $1900 a pop. Got guys through temporary foreign worker deal, won't hire locals. They were some hard on saws. :D :D Local board posted jobs again. I called them last spring when I found out they have to advertise, but don't hire local.

[barbender]

We have a crews that do tree work (planting and brush sawing) that come up on a guest worker program from Guatemala iirc.