.050, .058, or .063, I am confused

[barbender]

Some of you guys put so much effort into sharpening a chain, if I had to put that much thought into it I think I'd just stay in the house😊

[DHansen]

Ouch!

[Spike60]

Thank You Barbender! 

I wanted to say that s couple pages back, but didn't want to irritate the violin makers here. (Laugh guys). I'll applaud the precision work and effort, but I think this is an example of the paralysis  that can take hold when you get immersed in too many details. What about this, what about that?  Put it in the vice, grab a file, and get ro work. There's wood needs cuttin!

Do I.  still have any friends?! 

[Old Greenhorn]

Nope, not a single one Bob.
Just kidding, of course you do, we are all just talking here and following out own interests. For me, being a machinist since I was 14 and a cutter grinder for a number of years, it's all about the angles and the proper geometry for the job. SO yeah, I put some time into studying and understanding how things are designed to work best, and a little more time into making that happen. But we are just talking saw chain here, so it you miss by a degree or 3, who's gonna know? I rarely use a guide except on a really fouled up chain when it's like starting over again.
 Besides, there has to be somebody to go to when you can't get things working right and that's when guys like me (anal retentive) can come in real handy.  When you had your customers seeking advice on roller guides, you could have sent them my way. 
 Just to be clear BB, the learning effort is a one time thing, but the use of that knowledge goes on for a very long time. Anyway, that's how I look at it.

 Some of us just really want to know. Speaking of which, I got a note back from Husky in Sweden this morning. In part of it, they gave this information about the Husky roller guides:

" There is very little space on the combination gauge for more information, however all the X-CUT combination

filing gauges has colored rollers.

3/8"mini (S93G) Dark gray rollers

.325"pixel (SP33G) Orange rollers

.325" (S35G, C35, C33) has Yellow rollers

3/8" ( C85, S85, S83G, C83 ) has blue rollers"

 I checked all the roller guides I have and cannot dispute this.

 Also, they have me scheduled for a video conference with them next Tuesday morning. They are saying (just like Bob) that there is no way they put those sheets in their boxes. They say somebody, like a dealer, added them later. Well as it happens I have a brand new chain in the blister pack that is unopened and contains that sheet. I am not sure if I will be around to 'take their meeting' and do the prework needed, but maybe I will. I am sitting on the invitation until tomorrow after I think about it a bit.

[DHansen]

Hey, Old Greenhorn, Thank you for posting that list.  I plan to copy that on a recipe card and keep in the draw with my roller file guides.  These treads may drag on, and kick the issue from side to side, but in the end we learn something.  I appreciate all the inputs and posts. I know I am better at saw maintenance, safety, chain sharpening, felling and cutting than I was three years ago.  There is lots of talent and experience among those who post here and they share their knowledge.   

[doc henderson]

Tom, if they are willing to put in 1/10th the time you have already invested, I would do it.  may help a bunch of guys and you may sleep better at night.
Spike, my old mentor Kenny Skeels used to say to us kids if we were overthinking or taking too long, "come on boys, you are not making love to it"!  i.e. get it done.

[barbender]

Please don't take my comments as telling you guys not to have a discussion. I don't mean that at all.

[Old Greenhorn]

Never thought that for a second BB. I thought what you wrote was funny and I do get it. We can all get anal about our 'special things' sometimes. I bet you have your 'things' too.  

[Old Greenhorn]

Hey, Old Greenhorn, Thank you for posting that list.  I plan to copy that on a recipe card and keep in the draw with my roller file guides.  .........

Well this kind of makes my point: You can sell stuff, but you really have to tell folks what you are selling to them. I realize that I pretty much asked for this meeting and they are responding in the highest road they can, so I need to take it, like it or not. I think there are a lot of other folks that would like a meeting such as this to air their frustration, I should not let it slide. I am concerned about the time difference and the language difficulties we may have. I have done this many times before but that was years ago in a very controlled environment. Now I am a retried guy in a small shop and I am not sure how they will take that. But it's an opportunity and I think I plan on emphasizing the need for clear documentation with their products and user education on new products. For instance, if they have and follow a color code on their roller guides, why not include this with the product when they sell it? Mr. Hansen's point is spot on: if he knows and has bought a bunch of these guides, and I have done the same, and there are thousands of others who have also done the same, WHY is this color code information brand new to us? Hopefully I can covey that thought with some kind of effect.

[DHansen]

I have a Husqvarna roller file gauge that is not on your list.  It has clear rollers. Marked 3/8 pitch, 7/32 file. blue body.  I use it on H48 chain.  Predates the X-Cut stuff.

[doc henderson]

Tom, have fun with it.  send them a link to this thread.  your one-page summary sums it up and point out all the time and mind power that went into solving a puzzle.  For a Husky guy, it is like getting an invitation to the white house. 

[Old Greenhorn]

I have a Husqvarna roller file gauge that is not on your list.  It has clear rollers. Marked 3/8 pitch, 7/32 file. blue body.  I use it on H48 chain.  Predates the X-Cut stuff.

I believe what you have there is what Husky is calling 'grey', which would be a 3/8 mini. I have the same one.

[DHansen]

My 3/8Mini is black with clear roller.  Take a smaller (4.0) file.  clearly marked on the body.

[Old Greenhorn]

Aw geez, now you got me all confused again! When I get in the meeting with them I will have to go over all this eith them again. But  please do note the sentence just in front of the color code listing ".......  however all the X-CUT combination filing gages have colored roller." Note it says X-CUT so I am wondering if that means non x-cuts have different color codes? I don't have that black one you have because I don't use that chain. Now I'm really confused.. I think it's beer thirty.

[DHansen]

I'll have some of that single malt scotch that Spike recommended.  We're going to drive ever nuts!

[Big_eddy]

The blue one on the top is for Husky H47/48 and Oregon 72/73 LGX (which I think is now called EXL)

I.e. the pre X-Cut 3/8" chains 

[Old Greenhorn]

LGX and EXL are two different tooth forms, but I am no longer in memory of the differences. I don't know this for sure, but I think it's a fair guess that Husky would like to make all their own chains and phase out the Husky chains eventually. It just seems like good business sense. Of course, none of us know how this tariff nonsense will work out over the long run and it may change their point of view.

 I have my video conference with them in the morning and am trying to organize some questions. Got a note from them today just saying they are looking forward to some more feedback.

 I will say that today I tried out the new Husky C83SK chain on a 32" bar. This is a Square ground full chisel chain and skip tooth. I was curious mostly to see how it would cut, but also to see if I could still bore cut with it. Bore cutting with a skip tooth, I have been told, can be tricky. I am tickled to report that the chain just rips along and cuts great! Also, I had no issues boring through a log at WOT, cut like a dream! I love it. I wish and will mention it tomorrow, that they would make a version in non-skip tooth. Either way, I will get one of these for my 562 with the 24" bar.
 Now I have to get my list together.