Whatcha Sawin' 2022 ??

[Magicman]

The load determines the size.  12X12's on the first story and 8X8's on the second.  These new buildings will be three stories hence the 16X16's on the first story.

The design engineer determines what is necessary and was on the sawing site Wednesday.

[bigblockyeti]

The design engineer determines what is necessary and was on the sawing site Wednesday.

Testing or guessing?


I'm sure he's well educated in lumber grading anyway, what could go wrong?

[Hackeldam Wood Products]

You do some interesting work,Lynn. Sorry about your helper. 
Rich

[beenthere]

The load determines the size.  12X12's on the first story and 8X8's on the second.  These new buildings will be three stories hence the 16X16's on the first story.

The design engineer determines what is necessary and was on the sawing site Wednesday.

I would expect these are aesthetic features of the buildings, not structural. Likely over-designed for the compression parallel to grain these posts will see.
Non-treated, life expectancy would not be very long but these may be temporary housing for students  ;D .

[Resonator]

Magic Man is just hired to saws um, not build with um. ;D

[Magicman]

We got rained out this afternoon so we buttoned up and after lunch I headed home.  I have about two days of logs left and my customer just sent me a text stating that a load of logs will be there Monday.  I just hope that they will saw 16X16's. 

I made a count and there are 22 condos not including the 4 pavilions and the "community" center.  That is well over 1000 timbers/posts.  The project is supposed to have ~70 condos when completed.

[Magicman]

The design engineer determines what is necessary and was on the sawing site Wednesday.

Testing or guessing?


I'm sure he's well educated in lumber grading anyway, what could go wrong?

Was there a particular reason why you seemingly questioned and made light of another engineer's ability? 

[WV Sawmiller]

 

New customer tried to sell me logs he had a tree service cut in his yard. I told him I'd saw but not buy so he agreed. Mostly locust he wanted 6X6 posts but quickly found out they were too small, rotten or split. He pulled several once he realized what it took to make a post. A few small walnut and one nice cherry.


 

8.5 miles from home, half day, minimum rate job. Nice guy and semi-decent helper. 648 bf yield.

[Magicman]

tried to sell me logs he had a tree service cut in his yard

At least he now understands why you refused to buy them. 
 
Nice recovery from the good logs so at least he did get some value. 

[jasonb]

He pulled several once he realized what it took to make a post

If he would have straightened a some of those logs, he would have gotten a few more posts.   ;D

[bigblockyeti]

The design engineer determines what is necessary and was on the sawing site Wednesday.

Testing or guessing?


I'm sure he's well educated in lumber grading anyway, what could go wrong?

Was there a particular reason why you seemingly questioned and made light of another engineer's ability?

I didn't seemingly question, I did question.  Using non-kiln dried, non-graded lumber right off the sawmill has been done for centuries.  Today, less so due to the litigious nature of everything.  It's not worth the risk for the reward and I don't believe there would have been any time to do any actual testing based on the time frame between sawing and installing.  If/when something goes wrong, lawyers go after those with the most money/assets first due to a greater chance of recovery.  An on site engineer, especially a PE that would be required to carry a certain level of liability insurance would be uninsurable if a failure occured and it was shown non-tested, non-graded lumber was being used in new construction anywhere in the U.S.A. in 2022.  FWIW, I doubt anything will fail catastrophically but if something started to bow enough to look aesthetically unpleasing, someone who's paid to live there and has to look at it will likely say something.  If/when something went wrong, the sawyer would be low on the list of those liable but not completely off the list.  I don't carry a PE in SC and that's intentional.  I don't need it nor do I have any desire to jump through all the hoops for certifications or insurance on top of insurance as I have to before, nor do I have any desire to be called upon as a professional witness in court.

[WV Sawmiller]

   I did that with a couple. Some had multiple curves. The cherry log was 16' and we bucked it to 10 & 5 and got good recovery by straightening it out that way.

  Some of the locust were not over 6-7 inches in diameter.

   The tree service had told him the mills would buy the walnut - I doubt it as they were only 12-13 inches and young trees with lots of sap wood.

   The customer seemed happy with his return and said next time he would know better what logs to keep. He had no issue with the minimum fee.

[olcowhand]

I didn't seemingly question, I did question.

I'm really not interested in pursuing this tangent to what otherwise is a great discussion, other than to say this is the first time I've read anything on this Great Forum where I wish there is a "Dis-like" Button....
Steve

[WV Sawmiller]

   Please forgive my ignorance here but I'm asking as a legitimate question not to be snide, rude or to offend anyone - is there a difference in the strength of green wood vs KD or air dried timbers when used for construction? I know the weight of the wood will reduce as it dries but I don't know about the other properties.

[bigblockyeti]

  Please forgive my ignorance here but I'm asking as a legitimate question not to be snide, rude or to offend anyone - is there a difference in the strength of green wood vs KD or air dried timbers when used for construction? I know the weight of the wood will reduce as it dries but I don't know about the other properties.

I wasn't trying to be snide nor rude but apparently it was incorrectly construed as such.  In short, yes, there is a difference.  I don't find your post to be snide, rude or to offend anyone so I will not wish for a "Dis-like" button.

[Magicman]

The design engineer determines what is necessary and was on the sawing site Wednesday.

Simply reading this reply should eliminate all of the unnecessary chatter about the integrity of the timbers/posts.  I see no need for anyone to be questioned, schooled, nor called out.

[bigblockyeti]

Back to what's being sawn, this is what came off my mill yesterday.



 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Ventryjr]

Im cutting larch logs that have been tipped over for 2+ years.  They are still completely saturated as if green logs.  They were cut off the stump 2 years ago and left laid in the woods.  Some off the ground, some making contact. 


  

https://youtube.com/shorts/rQcCLNijpyc?feature=share

[doc henderson]

i had the cut off from a big cottonwood that I made posts out of sitting on the roller table i use to cut logs into firwood blocks.  I was going to move it but decided to get it cut.  Here it is on the mill.



 

 

bucket and head for scale.



 

 

it fit.  



 

 

sawdust Jimmy did not want to stress the table with both beers till we tested it for structural integrity.  





 

a few cookies off the top then this table at 20 inches tall.  doubt it will be stolen.  8)      I do not have high hopes of a well preserved cookies with much variation in density, but we will see.  

[Magicman]

You are sitting on dat crotch but you ain't looking crotchety.

[doc henderson]

the cooler weather is welcome.  getting the log yard cleaned up and organized for winter.  the temps make it easier to work longer and warn me what is around the corner.  plus I am recovering from the past 2 years with some time off and better coverage.  

[Magicman]

The worst thing about a 236 mile road trip job is that I had to drive 236 miles this afternoon.  I'm checked in at the Hampton Inn, so now it's just a waiting game until tomorrow's sawing game.


 
We have the "cement" coated logs behind us so now it's just the normal dry sand, but I did bring a fresh box of brushes.  ;D

[WV Sawmiller]

 

Got an order for 8-3X8X12's so I dragged down my remaining upper log, bucked to 12' & 6' and sawed the 12' log. Got 2 of my 3X8s and some side lumber. Total bf 70. I cut another tree but a customer came and I did not get another log down before it started raining so I guess I should finish tomorrow, weather and honey-do projects permitting.


2-3X8's and side lumber will buck to 10'.


If I get dehydrated at least I can step over to my peach tree and eat a couple of Fall peaches that are just now getting ripe. Not big but pretty tasty.

[doc henderson]

MM is seems to me they are putting fewer bristles in the wire brushes these days.  where do you get yours.

[Magicman]

I got my last shipment from HERE



 I normally order a couple dozen at the time.  Taxes & shipping they are ~$3.60 each which is half of local store cost.  I am ordering 24 more as I am typing this.    The total for 24 was $86.96.