Climate Change

[SwampDonkey]

Balsam fir is at its southern range in Wisconsin. Softwood pulp markets are declining locally so I've decided to favor a potential saw timber species, white pine, over a pulp only species, balsam fir.

I can't blame you Tarm, in that circumstance. South of me the fir is small and short lived and tends to be more wet ground down there. I wouldn't waste time on poor sites or poor performance. Your time and $$ is best spent on your best ground and tree performance. I have some wet ground here that is in 4 wet runs across the width of the lot. I don't do much in those except encourage all the cedar I can find. Up here there is a fir saw log market for nice fir. It does not pay like hardwood logs, but nice to see nice white fir lumber sliced off them logs.  Don't manage for the market, manage for the land and species best suited to it. Down the road markets change. The saw mills have pushed spruce here, but them mills have closed every market swing, fewer and fewer. Biggest killer is small log size. If you can saw 2 x 12"'s all day, big money compared to 2x4"s. I doubt anyone will start up a veneer mill here, and the one ash mill near here just takes trickles of volume, so they won't make you rich. White pine doesn't fetch much extra money, as the Irvings dominate that market. The same perfect log over in Maine is probably 3 or 400 more $$ than here, Irving buyers to. They want to keep NB poor. Oh, no, you're not allowed to haul over there.  It's like Twin Rivers wouldn't let us haul veneer spruce to Maine for more $$, their mill.  If you hauled to their Plaster Rock mill, guess where that veneer went. ;) If you ask for more money, they just tell ya they don't need it, we can get cheaper off crown. Have a nice day. :D

[SwampDonkey]

The AM band here has lots of that stuff coming out of New York. By daylight, those AM stations are static air. :D

As James Randi would say, the wooo wooo of wooo'dom. :D :D

Youtube is full of video of airplanes 'dumping' stuff up there. :D You don't know the source, nor do you know who or what is being videoed. You can video just about anything and make up a good story and people will fall for it. Look at 'War of the Worlds', but contrary to popular folklore, it was not the masses in panic, just the folks vulnerable to the notion of such nonsense. Very few people were panicked by it at all.

[Roxie]

Today's Guardian has an article about cloud seeding being successful for the Chinese making it rain prior to big events in order to lower air pollution from moderate to good. 

They've invested heavily in that technology and you can't help but envision how much we could use that out west for agriculture, wildfires and humanity. 

[mike_belben]

i heard barge makes it rain whenever he goes to town. 

[snobdds]

Today's Guardian has an article about cloud seeding being successful for the Chinese making it rain prior to big events in order to lower air pollution from moderate to good.

They've invested heavily in that technology and you can't help but envision how much we could use that out west for agriculture, wildfires and humanity.

The ski resorts in California, Utah and Colorado do that.  Ironically they take all the moisture out of the sky before it lands on the bread basket of the US.  Wyoming has it outlawed, but there are people that want that changed.

The industry with the deeper pockets win that battle.

[mike_belben]

The industry with the deeper pockets win that battle.

ill say so. 

[Ed_K]

 We've had a few new volcano's the last few yrs, a few more and it will be snowing in Fl. 12 mo a yr   ;D 8) .

 Contrails are nothing more than toilets being flushed after a mile high adventure  ;D .

[Cedarman]

In October of 2001 we took an 11 day canoe trip down the Green River in Utah.  No outside communication what so ever.  Each day we would look up and look for the contrails. Then say" Yup, all is well, they are still flying".