Tried to log on to AS this morning and got a page that said hacked by the Big Red X from Bangladesh...
Anyone else seeing this?
Yep same here.
Same here. Steve
The chainsaw repair site won't come up either. Steve
Same here >:(
Hopefully they just defaced the site and didn't destroy any content. Hopefully Daren can pull it all back together quickly. If you become a target, I'm not sure if you can ever completely defend your website. I see this same group hacked Dell not to long ago.
Heavy Equip. forum got hacked yesterday, some middle east political BS. Fortunately no harm done.
Ed
Chainsawrepair is up I just logged on. 9:00 EST
Scum bags destroy years of work just to say look @me I'm the man.
I think I remember after Racesaws got hacked a few years ago that AS had implemented some kind of backup. I sure hope so.
Shep
I noticed last night that I was getting the following message on Arboristsite but no red message. I am still getting same message.
"Not Found
The requested URL /support-announcements/244279.htm was not found on this server.
Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request."
That's because you are not entering at the home page.
AS of midnight or so last night eastern time the AS site was hacked and taken over
by the White Hat Hacker rEd X and AS is still compromised. SO this gentleman is
obviously looking for challenges or so called challenges. 8)
Was announced earlier in the Chainsaw forum. You're late. ;D
That is if AS is the Arborsite....
looks like F/F will be getting alot more traffic until A/S is back up.................. pc_smiley
I dropped out of AS a long time ago. Too much drama there. ;D
Quote from: beenthere on September 10, 2013, 02:58:23 PM
I dropped out of AS a long time ago. Too much drama there. ;D
i've backed way off myself, not that have any issues with anyone, just needed to give it a brake.......................now, about those hackers........... bat_smailey..................
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/21635/the-warriors-luther.jpg)
It went up, but now its back down again :snowball:
What does one do with a site after hacking your way into the conquerors position?
I'm not certain there is any web site that has not been hacked .Without going into detail it can often come from within and has .
Evidently from the buzz over the internet someone or a group has figured out how to infiltrate VB software .They might suggest it came from Bangladesh but it could have came from Littleton Colorado .
If they are smart enough to hack a site they are certainly smart enough to cover their tracks .
FWIW VB has a web forum with most of it's content open to the general public in case someone felt the urge to become an internet detective.
Quote from: beenthere on September 10, 2013, 02:58:23 PM
I dropped out of AS a long time ago. Too much drama there. ;D
10-4 on that!
Quotei've backed way off myself, not that have any issues with anyone, just needed to give it a brake.......................now, about those hackers........... bat_smailey..................
Old030 your taking me back now, it would have to be over 30 years ago. I can recall Luther, "Warriors come out and playay"
Quote from: WildDog on September 13, 2013, 04:12:55 AM
Quotei've backed way off myself, not that have any issues with anyone, just needed to give it a brake.......................now, about those hackers........... bat_smailey..................
Old030 your taking me back now, it would have to be over 30 years ago. I can recall Luther, "Warriors come out and playay"
yeah, that movie came out in 1979, i saw it three times, it's a classic in my book!.................... ;D
Looks like they got popped again? Only thing loading today (0919) is the home page...
Quote from: sharkey on September 19, 2013, 04:48:36 PM
Looks like they got popped again? Only thing loading today (0919) is the home page...
yeah, i just talked to another member over the phone, he said he hasn't been able to get on all day, although i was on early this morning........................old 030
Why bother?
:D Well now isn't this a fine kettle of fish .Here I sit out of curisoty seeing if I can access the site in question and have no problem and I'm banned till the end of time .Yet good old faithfull members can't get on .
Ha you've all been banned :)--you just don't know it yet . :o
Appears as though AS has continuing problems. This am, 09-26-13, Im getting a link back server. Basically, all traffic is being re-directed to an ad server.
Warning: Dont try to log in if you get the redirect server because they will capture your logon and password.
Most problems from the first hacking seemed to be solved, but now it looks like the site has been hacked again... ::)
Quote from: ladylake on September 10, 2013, 07:30:44 AM
The chainsaw repair site won't come up either. Steve
That one works now, I just was there.
Quoteif you get the redirect server because
That "redirect" bug may be in your own computer too. Just sayin... it might.
Everybody seems to be having the same issue
Quote from: beenthere on September 26, 2013, 10:06:10 AM
Quoteif you get the redirect server because
That "redirect" bug may be in your own computer too. Just sayin... it might.
Its not. I was redirected as well. No matter what one might about the Arborist Site, I really feel for Darren. This has to be a nightmare for him and I hope he is able to get it resolved soon. I myself have had Daren take care of some things over there for us over the years and he has always been stand up for the Forestry Forum with me and I always want to do the best for them. Odds are the original hackers left something on the server. I don't know anything about it, and don't know if the server was hacked, or the forum software, but either case, there are a bazillion files where a backdoor could live. Sometimes the only thing to do is start with a fresh box, a fresh installation of the forum software, and then load back in your database. You guys know how aggravating it can be to get a bug on your computer, just imagine having one live on your webserver where you are trying to make a living.
Wishing the best for them here.
Quote from: Jeff on September 26, 2013, 03:04:40 PM
Quote from: beenthere on September 26, 2013, 10:06:10 AM
Quoteif you get the redirect server because
That "redirect" bug may be in your own computer too. Just sayin... it might.
Its not. I was redirected as well. No matter what one might about the Arborist Site, I really feel for Darren. This has to be a nightmare for him and I hope he is able to get it resolved soon. I myself have had Daren take care of some things over there for us over the years and he has always been stand up for the Forestry Forum with me and I always want to do the best for them. Odds are the original hackers left something on the server. I don't know anything about it, and don't know if the server was hacked, or the forum software, but either case, there are a bazillion files where a backdoor could live. Sometimes the only thing to do is start with a fresh box, a fresh installation of the forum software, and then load back in your database. You guys know how aggravating it can be to get a bug on your computer, just imagine having one live on your webserver where you are trying to make a living.
Wishing the best for them here.
+1
FWIW there is a forum based out of England that every time I visited I got a virus .I avoid it now .They say a word to the wise is sufficiant .
It still appears that they're still having issues over at ArboristSite. Why hack a arborist forum? What's to gain by doing so?
Seems what ever happened is still there, I too feel sorry for Darin and Company, nobody needs this. So I thought I'd come over and hang out with you guys awhile. Trying to find my way around, everyone have a great day. popcorn_smiley
Turning off Java will stop the redirect.
Dan
Quote from: Icehouse on September 28, 2013, 04:10:15 PM
Seems what ever happened is still there, I too feel sorry for Darin and Company, nobody needs this. So I thought I'd come over and hang out with you guys awhile. Trying to find my way around, everyone have a great day. popcorn_smiley
Yep it sucks. I had to come over here and check out you guys.
Quote from: ChopperDan on September 28, 2013, 06:42:33 PM
Turning off Java will stop the redirect.
Dan
I added "noscript" to my firefox. I can now view AS but can't log-on.
Joe Kidd,welcome to the forum. What's your interest with wood?
I used to cut to sell, but now only dabble. Love quality 2T stuff.
I would imagine there are a bunch of disgruntled cry-babies due to this problem. :D
How would you describe a disgruntled cry baby. Maybe it's a guy who likes to talk about chain saws, buying trading and fixing. Or maybe it's a guy who likes to talk about methods of gathering firewood, storing and burning equipment. Or maybe it's a guy who wants to talk about the safest way to remove a danger tree from someone's home. Or maybe it's a guy who just wants to tells his friends, who he has never meet, what his weather is like or what he is having for supper. If that is what a disgruntled cry baby is then I would think we have another group of people to laugh at right here in this forum. What has happened at the Arboristsite could probably happen anywhere, even to personal computers, it's not very funny. Sad state of affairs. Enough of my rant, everyone at Forestry Forum have a great day.
Quote from: Icehouse on September 29, 2013, 08:47:27 AM
How would you describe a disgruntled cry baby. Maybe it's a guy who likes to talk about chain saws, buying trading and fixing. Or maybe it's a guy who likes to talk about methods of gathering firewood, storing and burning equipment. Or maybe it's a guy who wants to talk about the safest way to remove a danger tree from someone's home. Or maybe it's a guy who just wants to tells his friends, who he has never meet, what his weather is like or what he is having for supper. If that is what a disgruntled cry baby is then I would think we have another group of people to laugh at right here in this forum. What has happened at the Arboristsite could probably happen anywhere, even to personal computers, it's not very funny. Sad state of affairs. Enough of my rant, everyone at Forestry Forum have a great day.
Perfectly said!
Quote from: AdkStihl on September 29, 2013, 09:13:03 AM
Quote from: Icehouse on September 29, 2013, 08:47:27 AM
How would you describe a disgruntled cry baby. Maybe it's a guy who likes to talk about chain saws, buying trading and fixing. Or maybe it's a guy who likes to talk about methods of gathering firewood, storing and burning equipment. Or maybe it's a guy who wants to talk about the safest way to remove a danger tree from someone's home. Or maybe it's a guy who just wants to tells his friends, who he has never meet, what his weather is like or what he is having for supper. If that is what a disgruntled cry baby is then I would think we have another group of people to laugh at right here in this forum. What has happened at the Arboristsite could probably happen anywhere, even to personal computers, it's not very funny. Sad state of affairs. Enough of my rant, everyone at Forestry Forum have a great day.
Perfectly said!
+1
I like it over there.....and I like it here.....and at hearth.com. I don't post a lot, but I've learned an awful lot from everyone at each forum on how to cut, season, and burn firewood for heat.
It just ain't right!
I followed AS for a while. There are some very knowledgeable people on the site, but the "atmosphere" just wasn't for me. Even though I don't visit the site much anymore, it does fit the needs of a lot of folks, and I wouldn't wish the kind of hassles they are going through on anyone.
You are absolutely right about the "atmosphere" on AS, some times you have to have a thick skin to "survive" over there. But as you said there is a lot of knowledge there. I am not happy with what happened to AS, but it made me look at other sites, and I'm glad I found this one by doing a google search. I like this already, think I'll be here a lot. Don't know but is it permissible to use the abbreviation of FF for the Forestry Forum. Please don't hesitate to let me know if its alright, I don't want to come in here and try to change anything. Everyone have a great Sunday, may your favorite football team win.
Icehouse, Welcome to the FF. 8)
The easiest way to get in trouble around here is posting pictures of GRITS! ;D
Thanks for the welcome, but I'm sorry I don't know what a GRITS is, but I don't due pictures very well so I'm probably alright.
Quote from: Icehouse on September 29, 2013, 03:03:10 PM
Thanks for the welcome, but I'm sorry I don't know what a GRITS is, but I don't due pictures very well so I'm probably alright.
Grits are small broken grains of corn. They were first produced by Native Americans centuries ago. They made both "corn" grits and "hominy" grits.
..or GRITS; Girls Raised in the South.. I like both!
Quote from: Joe Kidd on September 29, 2013, 04:44:10 PM
They made both "corn" grits and "hominy" grits.
..or GRITS; Girls Raised in the South.. I like both!
Ha... Good one Joe. :D :D
After seeing that- I guess I'm talking about grits. ;)
Joe Kidd,you correct about grits and GRITS. ;D ;D For you new guys we do have a dictionary. Go up to the Menu Bar,it starts out with Home, go to Extras,a drop down menu will appear. Click onto Forum Forestry Dictionary and find what you want. grits is in there too. ;) There is some other interesting items there to. Check 'em out.
grits has been talked about almost as much as blade lube and oil mix. :D
Thanks thecfarm I don't know if I would have found that any time soon, good reading
Quote from: thecfarm on September 29, 2013, 06:56:21 PM
grits has been talked about almost as much as blade lube and oil mix. :D
I thought everybody used Saber@100:1?? lol
or half diesel and half bar and chain for lube. :D
Some folks actually consider grits to be food...
Quote from: thecfarm on September 29, 2013, 06:56:21 PM
Joe Kidd,you correct about grits and GRITS. ;D ;D For you new guys we do have a dictionary. Go up to the Menu Bar,it starts out with Home, go to Extras,a drop down menu will appear. Click onto Forum Forestry Dictionary and find what you want. grits is in there too. ;) There is some other interesting items there to. Check 'em out.
grits has been talked about almost as much as blade lube and oil mix. :D
And they taste about as good as blade lube. Welcome to the site icehouse.
Quote from: WmFritz on September 29, 2013, 02:57:20 PM
The easiest way to get in trouble around here is posting pictures of GRITS! ;D
Or acting like Chevytown13
:D Chevy .Well out of curiosity I tried to access the site in question while at work .Wow whover did it it really did a number .
Hard to say who or why but in spite of what I might feel towards that site it's a darned shame something like this is going on .Given enough time it will come out but it's hard to say if the whole story will get told .Somebody will know and sooner or later so will I .I won't speculate though at this time .Assumptions only lead to trouble .
It is hard to sit here and see grits so maligned.
I found it very easy to sit here. ;D My alignment is just fine.
Malignment.
well I for one am a paid sponsor on as and all this hacking is hard on business. folks from all over the world find my little shop in wartburg tn thru that site . I sell them new saws and parts,also sell my porting services. its heading in to the saw season and this is making for SLOW start.
So over there its all about "pie" here y'all eat grits ...????
Hi terry !!!
I saw nikko over in another post before...lots o friendlies here.
the problems over at as make me realize that I need to get on the ball with my website plans. I need to get one under way to be able to sell more stuff around the net. I spoke to jeff a while back about it and have been putting it off since opening my store. I need to get back on it again.
Quote from: angelo c on September 30, 2013, 10:47:46 PM
So over there its all about "pie" here y'all eat grits ...????
Hi terry !!!
I saw nikko over in another post before...lots o friendlies here.
This has always been a friendly forum, as far as I know. :)
Although it was a cyber attack on V-Bulleton web forums it appears whoever did it they were especially hard on the site in question .
That fact raises the question of was it a revengefull action . ???Since I've hit on a lot of VB sites and with the exception of another small site dealing with chainsaws they all seem to be running as if nothing happened .Makes you wonder .
I'm a speculator from way back.
1, How many 'hits' has the redirect brought to the linkbucks site?
2, Revenge is sweet, but dollars seems to motivate eh?
3, It sure has been going on for some time now, who loses, who profits?
4, There must be a money trail?
I have never been on the Arboristsite but I wish them luck.
Was Darren a member here a few years ago? I enjoyed his posts.
Jon
No, wrong Daren.
Al, the hack on the arborist site was from Bangladesh hackers, not anything to do with anyone from any other related site
Jeff I would agree with you if not for the fact I've seen missinformation before regarding web forums getting trashed .Never the less given an amount of time as I've already said the real culprit will be found .
Although I obviously have not followed activities on that site for several years this is not the first time this has happened .Although it might be the first to get bombarded with massive redirects .
I'd imagine D. has some contacts with good IT people and should have the backing of VB which should get it fereted out pretty soon .
Never the less I still feel it was a form of getting even. The big question remains ,for what and by whom.
Rambling on though ,stop and think about it .Where I work is one of the largest manufacturing companies in the world .They have the elite of the IT crowd and we still have problems at times . Couple years ago a couple teeny bopper hackers in Malasia hacked into the Pentagon if I recall correctly .Proving one again nothing is actually secure regarding anything computor based .
While I'm rambling on ,a story .Couple years ago I was on "Milling Masters " scoping out Bill Rakes design of a rubber tired bandmill .
Much to my surprise when I clicked his link it shot me a very graphic picture from a hard core porn site .I certainly wasn't expecting that . :D
Quote from: Al_Smith on October 01, 2013, 10:10:39 AM
While I'm rambling on ,a story .Couple years ago I was on "Milling Masters " scoping out Bill Rakes design of a rubber tired bandmill .
Much to my surprise when I clicked his link it shot me a very graphic picture from a hard core porn site .I certainly wasn't expecting that . :D
How many times did you click on it :D
Only once actually .The next day they had corrected the problem.
Another short story about a redirect .This was maybe 8-9 years ago I got something called "web browser " that over rode Google .Where it came from I have no idea but it only affected my computor and not my wifes .I used her machine to Google how to get rid of it .
Stuff like this is why I seldom follow a link because they can relabel it to say something else .
I saw the results myself shortly after the hack. The attack was by rEd X from 3xp1r3 Cyber Army. It was not any kind of retribution attack, and rumors of such certainly would not be fair to AS. They were just the unlucky recipient of a group that hacks because they can. Their signature is pretty identifiable.
I don't visit AS but, I hope they get it restored. I hate to think that a site could lose all the accumulated knowledge it gathered over the years.
I can't fathom why anyone would want to destroy anything for kicks. Yesterday I read about a farmer near us who had to call the law because he found his cornfield torn up from a vehicle. Substantial amount of damage was done. Morons!
Quote from: WmFritz on October 01, 2013, 01:01:10 PM
I hope they get it restored. I hate to think that a site could lose all the accumulated knowledge it gathered over the years.
+1
As for morons that destroy things, not so long ago hackers from Syria attacked and destroyed most of some fishing forum. I think most of the data was deleted and they left big sign calling to war aginst pagans >non muslim<.
I laughed then - why attack some fishing site.
Then again - why attack arborist site???
Because they can. ::)
Sad to think things like this happen in this world just because they can.
Quote from: Icehouse on October 01, 2013, 01:43:23 PM
Sad to think things like this happen in this world just because they can.
...but likely true! ::)
Right now it is worse than ever - I can't even bypass the redirection, it comes back immediately.....
I try to visit the site and I keep getting redirected, Have they been hacked again?
See the ongoing thread.
https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,68879.msg1039939.html#msg1039939
I keep getting some Cash for files website. called Link Bucks. This really sucks as I love the Arborist site! I sure hope they get it fix
This is a temporary fix, you lose some access but you don't get hijacked.
This works on internet explorer,
http://answers.vt.edu/kb/entry/2083/
It is very frustrating to get the darn redirect to the linkbucks site. I cannot understand why the AS admin cannot clean up his server. This has been going on for a good while, now. I would think that any admin on a very popular board like AS would have access to top-shelf help in the event of a site hijacking. Sadly, it seems that AS was totally unprepared for this. I guess I'll give up, for now, until someone posts, in here, that the site is back up and running. This forum seems like a friendly place so it's time to make new friends.
Quote from: SawTroll on October 01, 2013, 12:26:05 AM
Quote from: angelo c on September 30, 2013, 10:47:46 PM
So over there its all about "pie" here y'all eat grits ...????
Hi terry !!!
I saw nikko over in another post before...lots o friendlies here.
This has always been a friendly forum, as far as I know. :)
Hey !!!
I guess you saw nikko too !!!! :D
Looks likes things are not gonna be better for a while "over there"
Quote from: motard on October 01, 2013, 06:41:14 PM
This is a temporary fix, you lose some access but you don't get hijacked.
This works on internet explorer,
http://answers.vt.edu/kb/entry/2083/
That works, thanks!
Looks like it's broken again. Now it says it's being worked on and come back in 25 minutes. That message has been on there at least several hours.
Quote from: deerslayer on October 02, 2013, 01:25:36 PM
Looks like it's broken again. Now it says it's being worked on and come back in 25 minutes. That message has been on there at least several hours.
Yes, but it is gone now - I can read on the site, but not do anything there, so it isn't much better..... :(
Quote from: SawTroll on October 02, 2013, 07:52:47 PM
Quote from: deerslayer on October 02, 2013, 01:25:36 PM
Looks like it's broken again. Now it says it's being worked on and come back in 25 minutes. That message has been on there at least several hours.
Yes, but it is gone now - I can read on the site, but not do anything there, so it isn't much better..... :(
Howdy ST, I'm wondering if we'll ever see a end to this BS. I also noticed I can "read, but not write" lol
On a side note, this Indian summer we're having in NC is keeping me out of the woods. I wanted to break-in the 2188 while on vacation, but at 87° the blood suckers are still terrible.
Just went to AS and was able to enter head on and make a post with no problem. Must have gotten things squared around, hope it sticks. All of my stuff looks like nothing was lost internally. Have a good evening.
Well that didn't last long they're working on it again, that's good right?
Be careful logging in over there if you are not familiar with re-directs through Java-Script. Since the problem continues, you could lose your log on info to some creep in a third world country who's next move is to try and empty your bank account. If they have captured your email address, with your 'log on' and 'password' info, they will keep trying to get something else.
Its good practice to never use the same password twice. If you cant remember, put a note book beside your system and write your 'log on' data in the book.
Computer banking fraud is a big problem. A hacker in Bangladesh can eat for a week on $20...Why work, lets hack! This practice is actually called Phishing.
I remember reading about a scam where these creeps stole credit card info from a million American Express and Visa CC holders by hacking a large Hotel chain. People would see 15 cent to maybe 40 cent transactions on their cards from places they had not been. They did not dispute these transactions because they were so small in size. Eventually the cops caught up with the creeps who were bank rolling a small fortune in Malaysia. Guess what, the FBI has no jurisdiction there. The banks dont want to talk about it either, because it makes them look bad.
I think you can see what might happen if the wrong person gets your log on and password data with the same Email address that you have used across Amazon, Paypal, Ebay, and Your Checking Account...
Ive personally received emails that have the same art work and word track as Paypal and Ebay, stating that a transaction I made had a problem. The email will say we have closed your account until you log in and take care of the issue. Sure enough at the bottom of the email is a spot for you to enter your log on and password info. If you enter it there, they got you. For sure, there never was a problem either...
Should this happen to any of you, call on the phone to sort out any issues, never log on through an email. The crooks are taking advantage of knowing that people who have good credit want to keep it and will address any problems - right now.
Be careful out there.
Wise words .Like I said twice I got a bug from a web forum and I just plain don't go there any more ,simple as that .If you don't trust the site stay off it .
You know some people have a lot of trust in doing transactions over the internet and get their teat in a ringer so to speak .Why would any body be trusting enough to put their bank account out where the whole world can see it ?Some do though .
Yup, they got some serious technical difficulty over on Arboristsite. That's the problem with promoting oneself as the, "number one tree care site on the web". If they are incapable of securing their own server, they can't possibly secure any other sensitive data including personal data.
Look like the carelessness is paying off. There is too much work to do to get forced between browsing link bucks or having my PC frozen.
Goodbye Arborist Site. Forestry Forum is better anyhow, and so is Tree Buzz if you are a climber or professional.
Personally, I find that a bit unfair. I'm just an old mill rat doing the best I can to run this website. I try to make sure I can do everything within my knowledge base to make sure things are secure as possible. Our registration process is pretty tight, and I think l that helps somewhat on the forum software end of things, but what do I know. To be honest, with everything I do, and as hard as I try, there still may be some gaping hole somewhere that only a hacker would know about and I wouldn't know about it until an attack occurred.
One last resort compromise I am ready to make if we were put in such a situation, is to lose data on one end in order to hack off the head of the snake. Be it a day, or a week, or even a month. We have daily total backups, and hourly incremental backups, but you might never know at what point an exploit to your code was made or where a backdoor or worm could reside. It's hard to know what Daren is facing over there, and really not fair to judge. The outfit that hacked them also took down Dell and MSN.
Quote from: Jeff on October 03, 2013, 01:22:35 PM
Personally, I find that a bit unfair.......
Perhaps the difference is the fact that they were warned.
Jeff is of couse right! :)
Btw, at the moment the AS Works fine without locking any scripts out - but who know how long it lasts this time...... :(
I attempted to get some info about this hacker army bunch .Problem being it looked like it directed me to other hacker sites. So rather than take a chance I think it's best to just stay off that stuff .
I've given up hope for AS. Apparently the hackers are too much for the AS administrator. I think he may have to start from scratch with a new board, new software and a very hefty fee paid to a professional online security consultant. On the bright side: This forum has lots of interesting "stuff" on it that's very different from the AS material. That being said, if AS didn't back up its own posts and replies, the world of arboriculture will have lost a veritable wellspring of information, most very good, some not so. Anyway--Having gone to AS more than a few times in the last week, and gotten the redirect each time, I now have concerns that further visits may get my own computer infected so I'm steering clear.
I do hope AS can work their hacker issues out. Even though I did not make much use of the site, I could see that it does serve a useful role.
Just a thought here,
Who can believe the hackers were hired as "hit men" by a major saw manufacturer?
Laugh as you will, but I remember a while back one saw site got in trouble with one of these companies when members were posting that companies IPLs, then shortly after the whole site got messed up.
I'm sometimes even afraid to post to much negative information for fear of retaliation onto my own computer.
Well, since you ask who can believe it, I'll stand up first and say not me. Not for a second.
Quote from: Jeff on October 04, 2013, 10:28:26 AM
Well, since you ask who can believe it, I'll stand up first and say not me. Not for a second.
Thanks ,I was just putting it out there.
Quote from: HolmenTree on October 04, 2013, 10:19:30 AM
Laugh as you will, but I remember a while back one saw site got in trouble with one of these companies when members were posting that companies IPLs, then shortly after the whole site got messed up.
I'm sometimes even afraid to post to much negative information for fear of retaliation onto my own computer.
They argue it's intellecual material the rights exclusuvely owned by them .Fact one praticular web forum attempts to make that claim.
Now weather those claims have any creedance I don't know .What I do know is I can make a few phone calls and get any IPL I need with or without the blessings of whomever made that claim .
The only reason a company would want parts lists treated as confidential material is to attempt to hid knowledge from the general public and therefore have a monopoly .--Which by the way is illeagal .
;D I sort of doubt that Stihl is to blame for the hacking at the AS - but they do hunt down sites that systematically list links to their IPLs and manuals....
Now wait a bit I wasn't pointing the fickle finger of fate at Stihl for hacking that site .Now as for the IPL's it's a lost cause trying to rein herd on them because everybody has them .That's about like shutting the barn door after the horse got loose .
I've got IPL's on McCulloch ,Homelite ,Husqvarna ,Stihl ,Ford trucks ,Caterpillar ,Stihl and heaven only knows what else .They are mine ,I payed for them .Fact I even have the engineering prints for a Monarch 10" EE lathe .Try and find those some time .Monarch in Sidney Ohio couldn't even figure that one out .----A.Smith ,junk yard dawg --- ;D
Quote from: Al_Smith on October 04, 2013, 11:23:51 AM
Now wait a bit I wasn't pointing the fickle finger of fate at Stihl for hacking that site .Now as for the IPL's it's a lost cause trying to rein herd on them because everybody has them .That's about like shutting the barn door after the horse got loose .
I've got IPL's on McCulloch ,Homelite ,Husqvarna ,Stihl ,Ford trucks ,Caterpillar ,Stihl and heaven only knows what else .They are mine ,I payed for them .Fact I even have the engineering prints for a Monarch 10" EE lathe .Try and find those some time .Monarch in Sidney Ohio couldn't even figure that one out .----A.Smith ,junk yard dawg --- ;D
The Monarch lathe is a VERY fine piece of machinery.
There are several online sites that have IPL's for Stihl and other major manufacturers that can be downloaded that have existed for years without retribution.
Quote from: mike047 on October 04, 2013, 02:14:54 PM
The Monarch lathe is a VERY fine piece of machinery.
I just ordered a solid state modern drive for it .That old 1956 tube drive was on it's last legs .I could have traced down the problem as I have in the past but I just got tired of fooling with it .
Got to get it going. Lots of saws to do and a bandsaw mill to build and I'm not getting any younger--just slower :(
mike047,welcome to the forum. What's your interest with wood? ;D
Quote from: thecfarm on October 04, 2013, 06:43:17 PM
mike047,welcome to the forum. What's your interest with wood? ;D
6 acres of new land to clear and a love for good equipment, Stihl ;D
Retired :D
Quote from: mike047 on October 04, 2013, 07:29:21 PM
Quote from: thecfarm on October 04, 2013, 06:43:17 PM
mike047,welcome to the forum. What's your interest with wood? ;D
6 acres of new land to clear and a love for good equipment, Stihl ;D
Retired :D
Maybe not the best choise, but it will do the job if you choose the right model(s)! :)
mike,retired,good for you. Enjoy it. ;D
Quote from: Al_Smith on October 04, 2013, 11:23:51 AM
Now wait a bit I wasn't pointing the fickle finger of fate at Stihl for hacking that site . .....
My point was that is highly unlikely, but Stihl obviously was the brand that was hinted at in some earlier posts.... ;)
I just tried to get into Arboristsite and it's down again, all I got was a one sentence cryptic message. So I googled to see if I could find the latest news about AS and I find this thread on the Forestry Forum. I look into my password file and find out I have an account here I'd forgotten about. As a chainsaw addict, it's good to have another site available. I'm gonna explore in here to see what I can find.
Quote from: SawTroll on October 04, 2013, 09:16:43 PM
Quote from: mike047 on October 04, 2013, 07:29:21 PM
Quote from: thecfarm on October 04, 2013, 06:43:17 PM
mike047,welcome to the forum. What's your interest with wood? ;D
6 acres of new land to clear and a love for good equipment, Stihl ;D
Retired :D
Maybe not the best choise, but it will do the job if you choose the right model(s)! :)
It is MY best choice ;D
We each have our own choice to make, and whether you run down Stihl here or over at AS as you usually do....It is still MY choice to make :laugh:
:D Oh it's a Ford/Chevy thing ,Farmall/John-Deere .They all cut and most of them have a line of very dependable items .It just comes down to personal preference or my dogs better than your dog .Lest we not forget the oil wars . ;D
Quote from: Al_Smith on October 05, 2013, 08:08:59 AM
:D Oh it's a Ford/Chevy thing ,Farmall/John-Deere .They all cut and most of them have a line of very dependable items .It just comes down to personal preference or my dogs better than your dog .Lest we not forget the oil wars . ;D
My dog,border collie, is probably not better or worse than your dog, but he suits the job required of him. He watches, not really well, as he is afraid of a lot of things that he does not under stand. He is my buddy, always happy to see me and requires very little maintenance from me. I got him used from a young lady that had turned him in to the shelter. The vet game him a tune up and we had his bar attachments removed and he is a very worthy of his position.
He is middle aged but still can mark the trees that he wants cut and as I am long in tooth also, I try to fulfill his wishes. He and I both can meet the requirements of the tasks presented so I would conclude that even with his shortcomings and his fine attributes that he was the right choice for the job. ;D
What is this "oil" thing that you speak of? Where is oil used :D what kind was that? :D
Al has his war and I have mine. ;D BUT it's all in fun and we do mean FUN. Neither one cares who wins,or I should say WILL win,nobody has won yet. :D or lost.
And woodchunk60,welcome to the forum.
I have run Husky for 25 years. I started out with Stihl,did not like the dealer,went with Husky. Than they got bought out by a 4 wheeler,snowmobile place and probably my next saw will be a Stihl. I just find a real nice Jonsered-Stihl dealer. But I do hope it's a while before I need a saw. I just feel the dealer makes a big difference for support.
I started with mini mac then 1010 then a stihl then a husky. The husky feels the best to me. I still have the macs too.
Quote from: mike047 on October 05, 2013, 09:08:12 AM
[quote The vet game him a tune up and we had his bar attachments removed
That's too funny. I had the bar attachments removed on my three year old Lab this week. Its been 4 days and he still won't look at me. :D :D :D
The easiest way to stir the pot around here is to bring up the old g#*ts or potatoes argument. ;)
Quote from: HolmenTree on October 04, 2013, 10:19:30 AM
Just a thought here,
Who can believe the hackers were hired as "hit men" by a major saw manufacturer?
Laugh as you will, but I remember a while back one saw site got in trouble with one of these companies when members were posting that companies IPLs, then shortly after the whole site got messed up.
This time, I'm with HolmenTree. There is no shortage of sensitive and copyright protected information/files being openly exchanged on Arborist Site. I appreciate being able to access accurate technical nomenclature for my equipment as well as the next logger. However if it belongs to someone else and is proprietary for the dealers, Joe Tree Care on the street has to pound it out for himself. That's what a forum is, not a clearing house for hijacked manuals that belong to a corporation. Another reason an OPE manufacturer might look for ways to bottleneck a site which openly promotes modification to their chainsaws is liability and the fact that if you blow it up from running 200 PSI, it looks like a shortcoming on the manufacturer's end when there was a middle man who ground off the nickasil.
So you are saying that a company would be willing create criminal liability in trade for consumer liability? I suppose it would make a good novel, but can one really conclude that a company damaging a site and keeping it damaged in front of tens of thousands of their potential customers, who really want the answer to what is going on is at all probable?
No, Jeff. I'm sure any major manufacturer which can as easily find the links to download their Service Manuals on Arborist Site as I can, is fully capable of stopping Arborist Site legally.
I see Stihl advertises over here instead, BTW.
The EPA on the other hand, can do whatever they wish.
Just another thought:
Remember Sony XP? They were looking to stop pirating of their music and video files from DVD and CD's. So Sony embedded some code in their stuff so that if a user hijacked the files, the XP code went with it and that allowed Sony full access to the pirate's system as well as easy proof of where the files come from.
Now I don't remember the outcome of the legal battle between Sony and the general market, however, I'm sure there was one. My point is that I do believe that a OPE powerhouse with the engineering firepower to produce M-Tronic and Autotune saws, plus the technical prowess/managerial expertise required to manage websites and market a product worldwide, would also have the programming savvy to embed enough code in their digital files which are owned by them to access them anywhere on the net where the files are stored.
It don't matter how well you back up data or what kind of software you monitor your system with, if ya click the wrong thing, you are done.
Quote from: SawTroll on October 04, 2013, 11:02:29 AM
;D I sort of doubt that Stihl is to blame for the hacking at the AS - but they do hunt down sites that systematically list links to their IPLs and manuals....
Hey SawTroll, I think stihl is going after you next! Something about calling saws porkey...
Some manufactures require a pay per use of manuals, you purchase a subscription for a year...
all and all I have never paid to use a manual, and will try to keep it that way.
I for one do not subscribe to the theory that parts lists and service manuals are prioritary information which should be non available to the general public .Now perhaps certain franchhise owners may feel they are the chosen few and are entitled to withhold that information .
They fail to realize in this day of the "information age "that would be next to impossible .For that matter I find it hard to believe any company would be foolish enough to engage in a criminal activity such as hacking a dang web forum .The repercussion from that would be far reaching .
How about let's see some proof rather than speculation about this bold statement of a multi national company hacking a web forum .
Quote from: Full Chisel on October 05, 2013, 10:55:01 AM
Just another thought:
Remember Sony XP? They were looking to stop pirating of their music and video files from DVD and CD's. So Sony embedded some code in their stuff so that if a user hijacked the files, the XP code went with it and that allowed Sony full access to the pirate's system as well as easy proof of where the files come from.
Now I don't remember the outcome of the legal battle between Sony and the general market, however, I'm sure there was one. My point is that I do believe that a OPE powerhouse with the engineering firepower to produce M-Tronic and Autotune saws, plus the technical prowess/managerial expertise required to manage websites and market a product worldwide, would also have the programming savvy to embed enough code in their digital files which are owned by them to access them anywhere on the net where the files are stored.
It don't matter how well you back up data or what kind of software you monitor your system with, if ya click the wrong thing, you are done.
I am not so worried about that, some 12 year old kid will always thow on a patch to solve that problem.
Any How, HolmenTree made a good point. Besides, he's one good looking son of a gun.
I'm interested to see how the AS saga spins out. For me, Forestry Forum is a much more user friendly site. My wife don't get concerned over here that every other thread is gonna have pictures of some half naked gals posted in a wet T-Shirt like on Arborist Site. Not that there's any thing wrong with it, but for you young dudes, remember, "Happy Wife, Happy Life."
Keep it about trees and machines and keep the moving parts clean.
Oh, hey, Jeff, did you bag a deer?
No deer yet. All nocturnal. Did get some blurry coyote and bear pictures though on the game camera with the night ime deer pics. Our predator population is larger than our deer population I think. I see grouse every evening. No matter. I get to sit in a tree and ponder. Good for the soul. :)
This guy looks like a hacker slinking around.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/coyote%7E0.jpg)
Quote from: Jeff on October 05, 2013, 11:29:12 AM
I see grouse every evening. No matter. I get to sit in a tree and ponder. Good for the soul. :)
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As far as retaining the intellectual property rights to a piece of equipment, vis a vis refusing to share a shop manual with someone who has bought said equipment from you: I'm calling, "Foul!", loud and clear: If I buy something from you, and you refuse to repair it for me, unless I pay up, if and when it stops working, due to no fault of my own, including normal wear and tear, I will darn-well try as hard as I can to find a manual that allows me to repair the equipment, by the numbers. I've paid my money, enriching your bank account in the process, I now own the equipment, and if you are trying to keep a strangle hold on the repair of what I bought from you, by forcing me to come back to you so you can hit me up, again, money-wise, we're then at war, in a way. I'll try as hard as I can to get that manual, any way I can, unless I've signed something that says I have no right to it, something I'd never do. As for liability issues, used to justify the withholding of shop manuals, again I call "Foul!" If I mess around with a piece of equipment I've bought from you, using a manual you've given me, it's a pretty simple thing to have me sign a waiver of liability before you give/sell me the manual. "Tinker at your own risk," in essence. I see withholding shop manuals in one way only: It's an attempt by companies to force you to use them for repairs, thus fattening their bottom line.
My point exactly .However in relationship to the topic I don't see that has any bearing related to the allegations of a company fooling with a web forum .
An action like that would not be very wise in the business sense of things .If that ever were the case the public outrage would be akin to a 300 pound bully beating up on a 90 pound little boy .
You know on that subject of so called intellectual material of the Ford automobiles I have owned I never ever had one problem of buying certain service manuals if I so desired directing from the company .I would almost bet that most if not all automotive companies offer the same technical reference services .Quite frankly though as far as good tech manuals on automotive Mitchels are the best but they come at a price .---I get my info at the public library --- ;)--tightwad ya know .
We know :D
:D I'd prefer "frugal " but somehow that doesn't fit just right ;D
You might try " thrifty ". ;D
According to Mrs Smith she says I'm cheap .Which is kind of like the pot calling the kettle black to coin an old adage .Especially coming from a woman who can squeeze blood from a buffalo nickle .Well actually much more but being so atuned to the surroundings of things I won't go there ,wrong place . ;D--Al the gentleman junk yard dawg---
"My wife don't get concerned over here that every other thread is gonna have pictures of some half naked gals posted in a wet T-Shirt like on Arborist Site. "
I must be blind. I never see that. Some of the avitars are a bit racey but they are so small you can't see them.
They are still struggling. I hope they get it resolved so the site can get back to normal. I have received a lot of good advice and help on the AS forum.
Quote from: Jeff on October 05, 2013, 11:38:46 AM
This guy looks like a hacker slinking around.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/coyote%7E0.jpg)
Looks like he is giving you the evil eye(s)
Quote from: Full Chisel on October 05, 2013, 11:17:56 AM
Any How, HolmenTree made a good point. Besides, he's one good looking son of a gun.
I'm interested to see how the AS saga spins out. For me, Forestry Forum is a much more user friendly site. My wife don't get concerned over here that every other thread is gonna have pictures of some half naked gals posted in a wet T-Shirt like on Arborist Site. Not that there's any thing wrong with it, but for you young dudes, remember, "Happy Wife, Happy Life."
Keep it about trees and machines and keep the moving parts clean.
Oh, hey, Jeff, did you bag a deer?
Only problem I see with that, is the half part. :D :D
Well,here I am another refugee from AS.For me it's completely gone http 404 error.I see some of the same names so I'll just hang out and lurk.
some of us have been posting over here for years
I'm another AS refugee who is a sponsor (though at a low level). I can't get on this morning again. I get a blank screen that never loads. It has definitely hurt my contacts with buyers. I'm sure Daren has some crack techies working on the problem, but for this to have gone on over a month shows the seriousness of the hack. It sounds like it is a VB hole the hackers have found and I'm sure there are VB coders trying to find the fix.
Crack coders, I doubt it. Been dark over there all weekend. AS Sponsors surely are feeling this at the worst possible time of the year.
One of the main reasons I switched from Arboristsite to Forestry Forum was to get away from the deluge of inane posts about everything that wasn't to do with timber, most of which should have been on Facebook or Twitter. Let's hope these punters are not desperate enough for their daily dose of gossip about what they had for breakfast that they transfer to this site even if only temporarily.
Quote from: sharkey on October 07, 2013, 05:51:13 AM
Crack coders, I doubt it. Been dark over there all weekend. AS Sponsors surely are feeling this at the worst possible time of the year.
Dark? ??? It is more like it is up and down with the fuctionality all the time - I have been able to both read and post quite a bit at the AS over the weekend, With or without JavaScript blocked out. It is obvious that someone is working at it!
Quote from: nmurph on October 07, 2013, 05:40:22 AM
I'm sure Daren has some crack techies working on the problem,
Not according to screen shots I saw from facebook .According to that it appears he's been fumbling along all my his lonesome .
Now not that it's any of my business how anyone runs a web site but I was under the impression that at one time he did have some crackerjack IT people .Evidently that has changed for whatever reason . ???
Another lost AS member here, where do I stack my saws? There was a wealth of information over there and I hope this is the same. I promise never to mention B---n, it wasn't my thing either, good to see familier names here.
John
:D It may come as a surprise to some but there are plenty of web forums with a lot of good information besides the subject in question .This praticular one we are now socialising one being one of same.
I once told the owner of the subject site that it's a vast and worldwide internet and nobody but nobody will ever have exclusive rights on any subject matter discussed on it .If he didn't acknowledge that fact then I'll bet a dollar to a doughnut he does now .That said I'm certain they'll get it back up and running sooner if not later . ;)
I for one am taking steps to insure that the as web site being down doesn't effect my bottom line again.
Good plan Terry .From the buzz on the net you're not the only one . ;)
Quote from: woodbine on October 07, 2013, 07:04:17 AM
One of the main reasons I switched from Arboristsite to Forestry Forum was to get away from the deluge of inane posts about everything that wasn't to do with timber, most of which should have been on Facebook or Twitter. Let's hope these punters are not desperate enough for their daily dose of gossip about what they had for breakfast that they transfer to this site even if only temporarily.
I was a daily reader on AS. I always avoided the off topic or rants. I wouldn't read threads with certain topics like which oil is best, stihl vs husky,,, what I have I use. I don't care if it's the BEST or not. If it works very well, it's best for me.
It's all about how you use and interact with the forum overall.
Oh certainly you must enjoy the oil wars .It's the high light of my week when I can crank up the Amsoil crowd . :D
All I'll say about the subject site is it used to be fun .What happened I have not a clue or why .I could speculate but have chosen not to . :-X
Then you never know this site used to be impossible to post pictures on at one but good ole Jeff fixed that .A million thanks if I haven't said something before about it .
Quote from: Al_Smith on October 07, 2013, 02:40:19 PM...this site used to be impossible to post pictures on at one but good ole Jeff fixed that .A million thanks if I haven't said something before about it .
That's good to know, it's one of the reasons I never posted much here.
I keep thinking about this, and I just want to say that I hope you guys that are here because The ArboristSite is down, keep a positive attitude and continued support for Darin. I get sick to my stomach even thinking about being down like that. I know what it is like. In 2007 we had a hard drive failure and server crash. I thought I had backup at that time, because it said it my contract, that if I ever needed back up, they would send me a C.D. for $100. Well, that catastrophic day came, and I was told, that the offer was to create a back up BEFORE I needed it for $100. Luckily we were able to recover our data from the first 7 years from the presumably broken hard drive. Turns out, the hard drive was fine, but the server OS had been corrupted. I learned a lot back then and hopefully, Forestry Forum data now has all the safety nets it will ever need.
Stuff happens. without the support I had back them from the membership, I might have given up, and that is no joke. I felt defeated. The support I got back then lifted me up and enabled me to find a solution. Darin needs every bit of positive support you can muster for him. If you enjoyed being a member of the arboristsite, then I think you owe him that. Keep the faith and he'll find a way to get back to being a great site for you.
Quote from: woodbine on October 07, 2013, 07:04:17 AM
One of the main reasons I switched from Arboristsite to Forestry Forum was to get away from the deluge of inane posts about everything that wasn't to do with timber, most of which should have been on Facebook or Twitter. Let's hope these punters are not desperate enough for their daily dose of gossip about what they had for breakfast that they transfer to this site even if only temporarily.
We're a diverse crowd. The rants and gossip/drama is conspicuously absent on FF, but there is plenty of good times with different builds and projects some of these guys do. One member here built a masonry pizza oven that will knock your socks off. See, everything in this life is connected to timber really. Kinda hard to cook them pizzas in the outdoor oven unless you had a few sticks of oak, if ya know what I mean. They say here that dairy cattle are the foster mothers of the human race. If that is so, then trees are the Grandmother.
Quote from: old guy on October 07, 2013, 09:12:41 AM
Another lost AS member here, where do I stack my saws? There was a wealth of information over there and I hope this is the same. I promise never to mention B---n, it wasn't my thing either, good to see familier names here.
John
There are lots of different chainsaw forums, and the turnaround of chainsaw info likely is larger on the AS than on all the others combined - at least if you need a forum that is in English lingo. Don't expect quite the same here (sorry Jeff, but it is a fact).
Some times you need a thicker skin to be there though - but I have no problem with that....
It doesn't hurt to be a member on a few different forums - it just gives you more options.
Btw, I have just made around 10 posts there, so it isn't totally dead at the moment. ;)
It keeps getting harder and harder to log on to AS with a PC.You just about have to hack your way in and then once your in you can't go any where.These are sophisticated hackers,the longer this goes on the harder it gets.You guys that are haveing no problems useing your phones,they just haven't got to you yet.
Of course the hacker(s) read everything that is posted (likely on here as well) about how to get in and post, and try to counter it - if they are serious. >:(
Quote from: SawTroll on October 07, 2013, 06:30:30 PM
Of course the hacker(s) read everything that is posted (likely on here as well) about how to get in and post, and try to counter it - if they are serious. >:(
Idon't think they are actually watching,just have Trojens set up throughout the site that tracks the activity and then counters.
Quote from: SawTroll on October 07, 2013, 05:08:28 PM
There are lots of different chainsaw forums, and the turnaround of chainsaw info likely is larger on the AS than on all the others combined - at least if you need a forum that is in English lingo. Don't expect quite the same here (sorry Jeff, but it is a fact).
I agree with that statement but only partially .Every web forum attracts a certain crowd .Some could be arborists,some loggers ,some sawmill operators ,some just a general crowd .Some could be a gathering place primarily for chainsaw mechanics and engine builders and general junk yard dawgs .
While I'll agree there is or was some good info about chainsaws on AS it's not the most informative in my opinion .But again that's only my personal opinion .It certainly does not have as much as all the other sites combined by a long shot .
Yeah maybe if you like patty cake games of people cheer leading their favorite builder or which oil is better one might think it's best .Little games of who makes the best saw,it's your bag .How to wrench on one or hop one up ,not so .
I don't like the cheer leading regarding certain "builders" either - or the mutual support between some of them, as if they found the eternal truth.....
Couldn't agree with ya any more my dear uncle Al!
I go on vacations to the AS about once a month to catch up on gossip. For me, the AS is sorta like a soap opera- in that one can keep distanced from it for months, then go back and know exactly what has happened after reading for just a few minutes, and predict what will happen by the time you visit a month later.
It's always nice to get back home to my Forestry Forum!
Quote from: exSW on October 07, 2013, 06:44:30 PM
Quote from: SawTroll on October 07, 2013, 06:30:30 PM
Of course the hacker(s) read everything that is posted (likely on here as well) about how to get in and post, and try to counter it - if they are serious. >:(
Idon't think they are actually watching,just have Trojens set up throughout the site that tracks the activity and then counters.
Could well be!
Oh I'm not cutting the people down it's just that every site develops kind of a "flavor" for want of a better word .
Like good ole Magnus .On that site alone is the greatest combined brain trust of all of them regarding collectors . Some of those guys have likely forgotten more than I will ever know .
That list goes on depending about what praticular facet you are talking about .This site right here has the greatest collection of sawmill operators of any of them,combined or singular .
I find it all interesting myself which is why with exception of a few I visit many .
Quote from: Al_Smith on October 07, 2013, 08:49:19 PM
Oh I'm not cutting the people down it's just that every site develops kind of a "flavor" for want of a better word .
Like good ole Magnus .On that site alone is the greatest combined brain trust of all of them regarding collectors . Some of those guys have likely forgotten more than I will ever know .
That list goes on depending about what praticular facet you are talking about .This site right here has the greatest collection of sawmill operators of any of them,combined or singular .
I find it all interesting myself which is why with exception of a few I visit many .
I've noticed that aready,real strong on mills and timber.
It appears the vulnerability exploited very likely arose from a hack some sites are attempting use to link to their F-book accounts where a, "Like" on the vBull forum equals a F-book, "like." What kind of credit do you get from somebody hitting your,"Like," button? Do you get paid if internet users "Like" you?
Wow, maybe F-book is laying the hammer down.
My understanding is it comes in via the forum software and exploits an apache server using FollowSymlinks to gain what amounts to root access to the server.
I was actually able to hit the AB site page today, there was a note saying they were working on software.
John
Quote from: old guy on October 09, 2013, 10:11:34 AM
I was actually able to hit the AB site page today, there was a note saying they were working on software.
John
Same here.Like this site though,has a lot of what AS didn't.
Quote from: SawTroll on October 07, 2013, 05:08:28 PM
Quote from: old guy on October 07, 2013, 09:12:41 AM
John
Btw, I have just made around 10 posts there, so it isn't totally dead at the moment. ;)
10 posts ? you need to get back to work big fella !!!!! :)
AS expatriate as well here.
For me AS has a wide ranging following. its always interesting to me how I can be friends with someone in Australia who has nothing in common with me other then a love for Chainsaws. He'll stop whatever he's doing to look up, find and ship a part to me for nothing, just to help me get a (pretty much valueless) saw running.
yes there is nonsense but that happens anywhere. people are all unsure how to act behind a laptop no less a cell phone. something is lost in the "face to face" communication skill that is dying click by click.
good to see some of my buds posting here too.
I was just able to get back on the site, I was even still logged in. Since I don't see any saw building or raceing 0r GTGs or charity woodcutting on here I guess I won't be here much, I am disappointed in that.
John
See ya ;D
Thanks for coming to visit. Come back any time. :)
Well, hope nobody minds, but I'll still come here! I joined AS & FF one month apart at the end of 2010. Also joined another site dealing with firewood, saws, and burning wood for heat. Since then, I've visited these three forums repeatedly throughout a "normal" day.
I've got so much more to learn about this wood stuff... :D
I like both sites and I visit both sites the same, AS Has the Homeowners forum and the chain saw forum that i enjoy, The rest of eh logging and wood mill stuff This board I enjoy more. The chainsaw Forum here is a bit slow, Each site has it's pro's and con's. People tend to be more laid back on this site.
Yeah I made mention of the fact every forum has it's main focal points which is determined by the memberships' interests .
As far as saw engine building and I'll be brutally honest you really won't find many saw builders giving away many secrets .Really there isn't any real secrets it's things that have been done since the two cycle engine was invented to enhance the performance .
AS was working this afternoon.
Quote from: Al_Smith on October 07, 2013, 08:49:19 PM
Like good ole Magnus .On that site alone is the greatest combined brain trust of all of them regarding collectors . Some of those guys have likely forgotten more than I will ever know .
I agree top chainsaw site out there. Some of the Chainsaw Collectors Corner member's have been working on and running saws since the 1st one man saw was introduced on the market.
Not just old saws either is covered ,lot's of good tech stuff on the latest technology also.
I've learned the most from Magnus's site, and still learning lots.
Kudos to Jeff throughout this AS situation.
I am impressed with the professional manner you have maintained throughout the AS hack job. You could have turned it into an AS attack-fest but have not done so. I also like the more family-friendly nature of this site. I'm not a prude, I've raised more cane than most, but when the kid came along I began to realize that I needed to set an example for him and his generation. I am troubled sometimes by the some of the things going on at other sites (I know AS isn't the worst, by far). I give you two thumbs up for keeping this site clean.
I like this site the way it is,a wholesale import of AS people(like me) would change that.I like AS for what it is,fast moving,deep but fairly specific field of knowledge.And oh yeah at 12:01PM Thursday the AS redirect was back.
......and
it's baaaack!!
Quote from: mikey517 on October 10, 2013, 01:54:48 PM
......and
it's baaaack!!
Dont be so sure. I tried logging in there last night when saw troll said it was up. As soon as the page loaded my antivirus hit. Sure enough picked up some nasty that was changing characteristics of the other sites I visited.
The site is now back to only the redirect virus. You cannot get on it. Please, those who believe they are more up on this issue than others, stop telling folks that the problem may be in their own computer. That is absolute nonsense, as scores of (former) AS users can testify. The site administrator seems to not be up to the task of doing what needs to be done, or is, understandably, reluctant to do so: The complete site must be rebuilt, the servers wiped clean. I appreciate the fact that the administrator is trying to preserve the wellspring of excellent info the site contains, at present, but the redirect virus is simply too sophisticated and/or too deeply buried/entrenched in the inner workings of the forum program to not rear its ugly head almost as soon as the admin thinks he has eradicated it. Start over, and best of luck to you!
I hasten to say that just this morning I posted on AS about the advisability of the international forum, featuring posts in many different languages. Unless the admin is a polyglot, that forum seems strongly ill-advised, as the use of other languages can easily disguise the intent of a given post and even the conspiring of like-minded individuals to bring a site to its knees. Were I the admin, I'd quickly get rid of the international forum, the next time around, after wiping the servers clean.
I can't get on AS. I like the forum but I believe it is time for an extended break. Can you imagine the level of frustration those guys are going through. I hope this site is not hacked.
AS was showing a message that the forum was "closed", then later it was "linkbucked up", now showing the closed message.
Shame those dirty hack-wads buggering up a nice site :(
Just tried same results. I sure agree with you about the "hack-wads", will get better one day, advertisers logos are working, that is progress. :(
I wonder if this hacker has an eco anti-logging problem or maybe a disgruntled member? Seems strange to mess up a site devoted to tree care and forestry? Do sites on cooking get hacked?
Quote from: nmurph on October 10, 2013, 11:32:01 AM
Kudos to Jeff throughout this AS situation.
I am impressed with the professional manner you have maintained throughout the AS hack job. You could have turned it into an AS attack-fest but have not done so. I also like the more family-friendly nature of this site. I'm not a prude, I've raised more cane than most, but when the kid came along I began to realize that I needed to set an example for him and his generation. I am troubled sometimes by the some of the things going on at other sites (I know AS isn't the worst, by far). I give you two thumbs up for keeping this site clean.
Well said..
For those that don't know about it, there is an arboristsite facebook fan page where Daren is trying to keep you updated on what is going on. https://www.facebook.com/groups/56478707772/
Quote from: SlimJim on October 16, 2013, 08:59:39 AM
I wonder if this hacker has an eco anti-logging problem or maybe a disgruntled member? Seems strange to mess up a site devoted to tree care and forestry? Do sites on cooking get hacked?
It's not just AS but a string of sites using a particular version of Vbullentin with a vunerability that has been exploited.
Quote from: nmurph on October 16, 2013, 09:31:05 AM
Quote from: SlimJim on October 16, 2013, 08:59:39 AM
I wonder if this hacker has an eco anti-logging problem or maybe a disgruntled member? Seems strange to mess up a site devoted to tree care and forestry? Do sites on cooking get hacked?
It's not just AS but a string of sites using a particular version of Vbullentin with a vunerability that has been exploited.
Yep,did a little research,the hacker group that did this has gone after a bunch of sites all at the same time.For what purpose it is unknown.
I miss AS and hope they get it resolved soon. This site looks pretty darn cool too.
Quote from: chadihman on October 16, 2013, 08:22:07 PM
I miss AS and hope they get it resolved soon. This site looks pretty darn cool too.
It is.What took you so long?
Quote from: exSW on October 16, 2013, 09:21:30 PM
Quote from: chadihman on October 16, 2013, 08:22:07 PM
I miss AS and hope they get it resolved soon. This site looks pretty darn cool too.
It is.What took you so long?
I had enough and started searching for other chainsaw forums today. I entered my username and I got username already used. I forgot I registered back in May but today was my first post here. Wow I'm seeing lots of AS members here.
Its pretty obvious that Darin is in over his head. Here he is on the Vbulletin website asking if someone needs a job.
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?s=2d2759b7a50414e020c4b5e3d4c2996d&t=302836
Quote from: nmurph on October 10, 2013, 11:32:01 AM
Kudos to Jeff throughout this AS situation.
I am impressed with the professional manner you have maintained throughout the AS hack job. You could have turned it into an AS attack-fest but have not done so. I also like the more family-friendly nature of this site. I'm not a prude, I've raised more cane than most, but when the kid came along I began to realize that I needed to set an example for him and his generation. I am troubled sometimes by the some of the things going on at other sites (I know AS isn't the worst, by far). I give you two thumbs up for keeping this site clean.
I agree, but still think AS is needed, as there are more activity, and the "roof" is somewhat higher. Of course the higher roof also means you need a "thicker skin" to be there, but I have no problem with that.
Actually there are quite a few US chainsaw related forums that complement each other nicely, and I don't really see any hostility between them. :)
Quote from: sharkey on October 16, 2013, 11:56:08 PM
Its pretty obvious that Darin is in over his head. Here he is on the Vbulletin website asking if someone needs a job.
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?s=2d2759b7a50414e020c4b5e3d4c2996d&t=302836
That was almost three weeks ago...
I tried to log in to AS this morning...no luck.
Quote from: Jeff on October 16, 2013, 09:23:53 AM
For those that don't know about it, there is an arboristsite facebook fan page where Daren is trying to keep you updated on what is going on. https://www.facebook.com/groups/56478707772/
I don't "facebook". Could a nice kind person that does post an update here ?
Please.
Thanks!
I had enough and started searching for other chainsaw forums today. I entered my username and I got username already used. I forgot I registered back in May but today was my first post here. Wow I'm seeing lots of AS members here.
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Same here. I registered almost a year ago... Gotta get my daily saw fix from somewhere.
Quote from: gologit on October 17, 2013, 08:36:13 AM
I tried to log in to AS this morning...no luck.
not good when a Mod can't get on....
Quote from: Jeff on October 16, 2013, 09:23:53 AM
For those that don't know about it, there is an arboristsite facebook fan page where Daren is trying to keep you updated on what is going on. https://www.facebook.com/groups/56478707772/
that is a very classy position to take....(there were times some AS members were "banned" for mentioning other sites.)
I see you only choose the "road less traveled".... props to ya !
Quote from: john_bud on October 17, 2013, 09:07:23 AM
Quote from: Jeff on October 16, 2013, 09:23:53 AM
For those that don't know about it, there is an arboristsite facebook fan page where Daren is trying to keep you updated on what is going on. https://www.facebook.com/groups/56478707772/
I don't "facebook". Could a nice kind person that does post an update here ?
Please.
Thanks!
Readers digest version is they gave up, they're nuking the site from orbit and moving things over to another server and starting over. I think they are trying to move all the old posts over but not sure what will happen in the move.
It now goes to "404 not found"
Quote from: angelo c on October 17, 2013, 12:03:48 PM
Quote from: gologit on October 17, 2013, 08:36:13 AM
I tried to log in to AS this morning...no luck.
not good when a Mod can't get on....
Bob's not a mod any more.
From the comments of Brad Snelling to the fan club on Facebook......"Looks like AS is finally down. Let the new server begin"!
Looks like Darin is getting a new server 8)
Sup dip sticks?
Quote from: AdkStihl on October 17, 2013, 02:37:56 PM
From the comments of Brad Snelling to the fan club on Facebook......"Looks like AS is finally down. Let the new server begin"!
Looks like Darin is getting a new server 8)
Now the question is can all the data be preserved? Or is the (edit by admin.) going to be corrupted possibly?
How the hell do I change my sig and avatar?
You're stuck with it LOL
Quote from: mastermind7864 on October 17, 2013, 05:49:57 PM
How the hell do I change my sig and avatar?
Click the profile tab, then forum profile, then choose avatar.
Quote from: thomas1 on October 17, 2013, 06:12:25 PM
Quote from: mastermind7864 on October 17, 2013, 05:49:57 PM
How the hell do I change my sig and avatar?
Click the profile tab, then forum profile, then choose avatar.
Thanks Thomas
Quote from: AdkStihl on October 17, 2013, 02:37:56 PM
From the comments of Brad Snelling to the fan club on Facebook......"Looks like AS is finally down. Let the new server begin"!
Looks like Darin is getting a new server 8)
:)
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Quote from: mastermind7864 on October 17, 2013, 05:41:44 PM
Sup dip sticks?
Not much Chimp. Almost feels like home again. Get some likes on here and you got it made.
Quote from: mastermind7864 on October 17, 2013, 05:49:57 PM
How the hell do I change my sig and avatar?
Why would you want to change your avitar? Self portraits are the window to the soul. We can see you as you really are.
Quote from: half_full on October 17, 2013, 11:48:03 AM
I had enough and started searching for other chainsaw forums today. I entered my username and I got username already used. I forgot I registered back in May but today was my first post here. Wow I'm seeing lots of AS members here.
Lots of places I'm hanging out at these days.....
This is a family site. Watch the language and comments and I mean it. It may be very tame by your standards, but we do have tight standards due to the fact that we do have entire families, including school age kids that frequent the Forestry Forum. It is listed as an educational resource through our DNR as well as many other places. I don't stand for sub standard conduct here, and that standard is mine to make.
I don't need any comments on this in return, in fact I recommend you don't make any. Pro or in rebuttal. It is what it is. You have been warned.
Hope the AS crew bucks the link-bucks hackers soon.
Hi. I'm looking to buy a chainsaw. I have a choice of poulan, husqvarna and stihl. The poulan comes with free oil and a small wand and is black with yellow trim colour. The others I don't like the colour so much. What do you suggest please?
Also, I will sell the firewood by the cord. How much is that volume please, so I know what to charge? thanks again.
I would suggest tieing a beaver to the tree instead. feed him gary goo mixed 100:1 like amsoil.
Quote from: tlandrum on October 18, 2013, 02:03:03 AM
I would suggest tieing a beaver to the tree instead. feed him gary goo mixed 100:1 like amsoil.
Thanks for this. Does anyone have any online coupons for beavers at home depot?
Also, I'd hate to think all my work at the AS university has gone to waste. Does anyone know if I can cross-credit or take any make up courses?
Quote from: john_bud on October 17, 2013, 11:04:50 PM
Hope the AS crew bucks the link-bucks hackers soon.
Me too.
Quote from: mastermind7864 on October 17, 2013, 06:52:05 PM
Quote from: half_full on October 17, 2013, 11:48:03 AM
I had enough and started searching for other chainsaw forums today. I entered my username and I got username already used. I forgot I registered back in May but today was my first post here. Wow I'm seeing lots of AS members here.
Lots of places I'm hanging out at these days.....
Some of us have been here a long time, but are posting more now, since the AS is down...... ;)
Hello Niko, my friend.
Quote from: gologit on October 17, 2013, 08:36:13 AM
I tried to log in to AS this morning...no luck.
Same result today, we have to be patient.....
Thanks for being welcoming to the arboristsite refugees. Still a good guy. :o ;D 8) 8) 8)
Quote from: SawTroll on October 18, 2013, 01:46:15 PM
Quote from: gologit on October 17, 2013, 08:36:13 AM
I tried to log in to AS this morning...no luck.
Same result today, we have to be patient.....
Uh-oh, in that case, I'm in big trouble! I have as much chance of being patient as i do of being good looking.
I'd check if my looks improved, but all the mirrors are broken :(
AS site is back up, just posted everything works for now.
Just tried it and it still seems down.
I just got on most everything is still there. Everything is lite green.
John
AS is up, but you may not be able to use your old bookmark to get in (I wasn't). ;)
Just don't "forget" this forum, as soon as the AS is back up!
Quote from: mastermind7864 on October 17, 2013, 05:49:57 PM
How the hell do I change my sig and avatar?
Your avatar is awesome.
Quote from: JohnG28 on October 18, 2013, 09:58:03 PM
Quote from: mastermind7864 on October 17, 2013, 05:49:57 PM
How the hell do I change my sig and avatar?
Your avatar is awesome.
Thank you sir........that was the one I wanted to change it too. I use that avatar on AS, Sawhawgs, Treehouse, YouTube, and others......
Quote from: mastermind7864 on October 18, 2013, 10:10:18 PM
Quote from: JohnG28 on October 18, 2013, 09:58:03 PM
Quote from: mastermind7864 on October 17, 2013, 05:49:57 PM
How the hell do I change my sig and avatar?
Your avatar is awesome.
Thank you sir........that was the one I wanted to change it too. I use that avatar on AS, Sawhawgs, Treehouse, YouTube, and others......
Figured that was what you were going for. May have a seen in on chainsawrepair or somewhere before.
Quote from: mastermind7864 on October 18, 2013, 10:10:18 PM
Quote from: JohnG28 on October 18, 2013, 09:58:03 PM
Quote from: mastermind7864 on October 17, 2013, 05:49:57 PM
How the hell do I change my sig and avatar?
Your avatar is awesome.
Thank you sir........that was the one I wanted to change it too. I use that avatar on AS, Sawhawgs, Treehouse, YouTube, and others......
Getting a little gray around the edges there Moob. Might try some of that "Just for chimps"
Quote from: SawTroll on October 18, 2013, 09:40:15 PM
AS is up, but you may not be able to use your old bookmark to get in (I wasn't). ;)
Just don't "forget" this forum, as soon as the AS is back up!
Good idea, Niko. I joined FF in 2009 but never spent much time here. There's a lot of good information and not as much of the childish behavior that some of the other sites have.
I'll probably start checking in more often.
We welcome you guys, as everyone is always welcome to the forum until they make themselves unwelcome. I'm sorry to say, that over the last two days, at least a couple of the AS compatriots that came here and were unconditionally accepted, have since been bounced due to conduct not acceptable to the membership here. I and the other admins have a low tolerance for anyone that comes here and thinks it is okay to act out.
To all the rest of you that wish to be members here too, again, welcome.
Thanks Jeff. Most of the guys on AS are pretty good but, like most places, there's always a few cases of arrested development. :D
I really like FF, AS hackers got me here, guess I should thank them, but I hope they died. Plan on hanging around.
well darins server swap didn't do squat. linkbucks is back. its time for him to upgrade and spend some of that sponsor money we have been paying to get his site back to working.
I got forwarded to linkbucks right away for the first time. That is not good. I was hoping they had it figured out this time.
wow , that didn't last long. I've been running Noscript on Firefox to get around the annoying javascript workaround on Safari. wonder how deep in the db the bugger is buried...
it was my understanding that they switched to a new server already. i also understand they need to upgrade there software to avoid the loophole that's in there current set up.
Quote from: Jeff on October 20, 2013, 01:21:18 PM
I got forwarded to linkbucks right away for the first time. That is not good. I was hoping they had it figured out this time.
Hey Terry...a little off topic here but would you be interested in putting a mild woods port on a 661 for me?
you know i would bob. whenever you are ready just give me a shout.
Thanks Terry. It will probably be after the first of the year. I'll let you know.
Bob, you going to an m tronic? or they not yet?
Quote from: Jeff on October 20, 2013, 01:21:18 PM
I got forwarded to linkbucks right away for the first time. That is not good. I was hoping they had it figured out this time.
They are apparently working on it now....
Stumbling in from a far away land....
"hey Y'all !!! Where would a guy go to start a good "OIL THREAD" ????? "
sorry thought I was back on AS !!!
Quote from: angelo c on October 20, 2013, 07:12:23 PM
Stumbling in from a far away land....
"hey Y'all !!! Where would a guy go to start a good "OIL THREAD" ????? "
sorry thought I was back on AS !!!
The same comes up here quite often also!
Quote from: Jeff on October 20, 2013, 01:21:18 PM
I got forwarded to linkbucks right away for the first time. That is not good. I was hoping they had it figured out this time.
Still down as of 7:49 pm tonight.
I'm wondering if they'll ever get it fixed right.
Quote from: gologit on October 19, 2013, 08:52:35 AM
Quote from: SawTroll on October 18, 2013, 09:40:15 PM
AS is up, but you may not be able to use your old bookmark to get in (I wasn't). ;)
Just don't "forget" this forum, as soon as the AS is back up!
Good idea, Niko. I joined FF in 2009 but never spent much time here. There's a lot of good information and not as much of the childish behavior that some of the other sites have.
I'll probably start checking in more often.
Sophomoric is the word that pops to the front of my mind.
Quote from: tlandrum on October 20, 2013, 12:34:23 PM
well darins server swap didn't do squat. linkbucks is back. its time for him to upgrade and spend some of that sponsor money we have been paying to get his site back to working.
Only one way to beat a hacker... hire another hacker and get him to fix it. Oh and don't be surprised if it's some 12 year old kid is the one fixing it, and soaking you for the big bucks.
Quote from: nmurph on October 20, 2013, 08:09:16 PM
Quote from: gologit on October 19, 2013, 08:52:35 AM
Quote from: SawTroll on October 18, 2013, 09:40:15 PM
AS is up, but you may not be able to use your old bookmark to get in (I wasn't). ;)
Just don't "forget" this forum, as soon as the AS is back up!
Good idea, Niko. I joined FF in 2009 but never spent much time here. There's a lot of good information and not as much of the childish behavior that some of the other sites have.
I'll probably start checking in more often.
Sophomoric is the word that pops to the front of my mind.
True, but you always did know more big words than I did. :D How's it going, Neil?
Hey Randy,
Thanks for your time on the phone on Sat about my 460 & 660 questions- glad to see you here as well! I'll be in touch... smiley_monkeyfight
Regards,
Scott
Quote from: Plan-b on October 20, 2013, 10:14:57 PM
Quote from: tlandrum on October 20, 2013, 12:34:23 PM
well darins server swap didn't do squat. linkbucks is back. its time for him to upgrade and spend some of that sponsor money we have been paying to get his site back to working.
Only one way to beat a hacker... hire another hacker and get him to fix it. Oh and don't be surprised if it's some 12 year old kid is the one fixing it, and soaking you for the big bucks.
I'm about certain what's needed is to hire some guy named "Guido" as the correct method to "beat a hacker"....
Hey, i got a few "friends" named Guido that work in the Sanitation engineering business that might be helpfull.....
hey, is it me or is AS like super slow to load pages ? just seems to hang there forever...
Quote from: woodenboater on October 21, 2013, 06:58:02 PM
hey, is it me or is AS like super slow to load pages ? just seems to hang there forever...
I cant even get on....define "slow".... In my world the page takes a few days to load..😄
guess waiting over 30+ seconds to bring up (if at all) a sub fora is not as bad as your situation ;) guess things are still being worked on there...
Mine went from slow to very slow to no. Someday maybe.
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Quote from: gsrsol84mm on October 21, 2013, 09:39:14 PM
Can't be pleasant to have ongoing hacker issues. Must be a ton of stress to deal with.
Must be tough on the hackers too. maybe we should invite them to a local Get Together ? I'm sure meeting 40-50 AS members holding ported saws with razor sharp chains would be very relaxing. Pretty sure the hackers would just melt into a very relaxed puddle....
AS was alright for a few days but THEY"RE BACK
AS was all "linkbucked up" just moments ago :(
I heard AS was down again this am. It looks like it has become a game of wills - red x vs AS?
looks fine to me on Safari and FF
spoke too soon. now there's a database error. hopefully they're tweaking it and it's just offline temporarily.
Database Error @ 7:15PM, EST
Same @ 4:18 pst
Today FF is exceptionally sluggish acting. This site has been temperamental for me lately.
I'd suggest you look at your internet connection then. Today I've been here most of the day, and have been monitoring the Forestry Forum performance. I can assure you that at least today, it has been screaming and any latency is coming from downstream of here. If you get a slow load on a page, go to the bottom and see the time the page was created in. I bet it is far less than the time it took to get to you. As an example, when I clicked to create this post, the page was created and sent out from the server in 0.081 seconds.
There have been some days the last two weeks where there were issues here, but nothing to do with the Forestry Forum or it's server, but the network it is on. I know there was some emergency network upgrades made a couple days ago causing the forum to be unavailable for 3 or 4 hours.
Thanks Jeff. I did check it.
(https://forestryforum.com/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.speedtest.net%2Fresult%2F3064004878.png&hash=9ddbb00e9ca86163bcc752b3c4803ad1c797e04c) (http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3064004878)
Now the FF site is acting OK. The page creation rate is about what you are getting. When I first try to get on, it often is more like 30-40 seconds.
What happens, Jeff as more and more guys are logging on this site? Do you guys have to do something extra on that end to keep up with all the traffic?
The server is fully capable of handling the traffic. I've made consistent server and software upgrades over the years and am planning another server upgrade sometime after the first of the year. If you don't do those things, you can leave yourself in a cloud of dust or smoke. Operating systems become obsolete and software dated. I look after this forum as if it was a child. I might not do everything right, but I do the best I can.
The speed test really doesn't mean anything. There could be a router or line problem somewhere between you and the forestry forum server that is the culprit, and only effects you. If you know how to open a command prompt and do a tracert to the forum, that sometimes will tell you where the issue is.
You aren't using a safari browser are you? I've heard they are known for sending out a dns query to every link on the page on initial visits before loading the page.
Quote from: Jeff on October 28, 2013, 09:54:56 PM
The server is fully capable of handling the traffic. I've made consistent server and software upgrades over the years and am planning another server upgrade sometime after the first of the year. If you don't do those things, you can leave yourself in a cloud of dust or smoke. Operating systems become obsolete and software dated. I look after this forum as if it was a child. I might not do everything right, but I do the best I can.
The speed test really doesn't mean anything. There could be a router or line problem somewhere between you and the forestry forum server that is the culprit, and only effects you. If you know how to open a command prompt and do a tracert to the forum, that sometimes will tell you where the issue is.
You aren't using a safari browser are you? I've heard they are known for sending out a dns query to every link on the page on initial visits before loading the page.
Chrome.
What surprised me about the speed test is that it says I'm slower than 71% of U.S. systems. At 10 Mbps? We cranked that up six months ago. It was 1 Mbps and ran fine til the kids all were logging on with devices and laptops. So we upgraded it 10x.
I'll try what you suggested, Jeff. I'm curious. At the moment, it is performing well.
Treating your site like a baby is a good policy. Across the way we are seeing what results from letting it run like a teenager without restraint and relying too heavily on babysitters.
Another slow initial load time cause could be if you have any kind of web accelerator running. Sometimes you don't know. I started having problems with my browser slowing and then crashing when I was trying to watch youtube videos. Turned out it was because AVG pro had some video accelerator built into it. Once I disabled that, things turned normal again.
My work has a decent connection-
(https://forestryforum.com/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.speedtest.net%2Fresult%2F3065449761.png&hash=d8b553f047ba185118468545f095ff2cfd51dff8) (http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3065449761)
I can't connect at all.
?? just maybe that the site owner is tired of all the schitz'es of the hackers and done with it? just saying "maybe"....
I just read that the backups are now corrupt. Sounds like a amateurish cluster over there.
that's a bit harsh no ? I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy...well maybe lol but I'm presuming they had problems tracking exactly how deep they burrowed into their db. why AS was attacked is beyond me tbh.
hope they recover, even if their backups only go back so far...
That poor guy. :(
i figured it would end up coming to a head and losing it all. when all the data is lost it ill end up going away and whithering just like racesaws did.
Sounds like what I have read on other forums that some folks think Darin was at fault and got what was coming to him. I have only been around these forums for about 3 years so I am no one to argue the point. I have always been treated with respect and good natured harassment on all forums. But no one should have to go through what is happening to these people, this is just plain mean and uncalled for. When and if AS ever gets back on line use the forum if you want or not, but please have a little compassion. I'll shut up now, thank you for your time.
Racesaws was an inside job done by an unlearned person fat fingering the soft ware .Weather it was intentional or not it crashed the site which has never recovered .
Now the site in question I tried at work and it came in fine yesterday .I haven't accessed it in years from my home computor .
Hmm...perhaps it may be "The Law of the Harvest!"
I met some really nice guys over there, but it was a blood-bath at times just to get a decent answer on some honest questions!!
Many of the keyboard tough guys seemingly took great pleasure in berating anyone who was not a life-long Lumberjack, professional abortionist, or chainsaw guru.
It was at time ridiculous, to say the least!
There was a wealth of great info there...if you could navigate the "human mine fields"
Hey Gents. Was suffering withdrawals from A.S. being down and I stumbled onto this site. I saw a few familiar AS members and thought I'd say hi.
Quote from: ReggieT on October 29, 2013, 08:34:41 PM
Hmm...perhaps it may be "The Law of the Harvest!"
I met some really nice guys over there, but it was a blood-bath at times just to get a decent answer on some honest questions!!
Many of the keyboard tough guys seemingly took great pleasure in berating anyone who was not a life-long Lumberjack, professional abortionist, or chainsaw guru.
It was at time ridiculous, to say the least!
There was a wealth of great info there...if you could navigate the "human mine fields"
Reggie, you'll find a better experience here for sure. No blood baths allowed, or tolerated by the gents that run this place :). Also, every bit of that knowledge is available on this forum simply for the asking and you don't have the hassle of navigating the minefields to get at it.
Quote from: MidWestTree on October 30, 2013, 03:20:45 PM
Quote from: ReggieT on October 29, 2013, 08:34:41 PM
Hmm...perhaps it may be "The Law of the Harvest!"
I met some really nice guys over there, but it was a blood-bath at times just to get a decent answer on some honest questions!!
Many of the keyboard tough guys seemingly took great pleasure in berating anyone who was not a life-long Lumberjack, professional abortionist, or chainsaw guru.
It was at time ridiculous, to say the least!
There was a wealth of great info there...if you could navigate the "human mine fields"
Reggie, you'll find a better experience here for sure. No blood baths allowed, or tolerated by the gents that run this place :). Also, every bit of that knowledge is available on this forum simply for the asking and you don't have the hassle of navigating the minefields to get at it.
...and gals needs to be added too. Some help run this place. Mostly guys, though.
Happy to have found another site where I can share my addiction.
Hello Forestry Forum, My name is White Ash and I have a chainsaw addiction. I have not bought a saw in 36 hours....
It was a real sweet Stihl 034 super :)
Quote from: White Ash on October 30, 2013, 04:26:18 PM
Happy to have found another site where I can share my addiction.
Hello Forestry Forum, My name is White Ash and I have a chainsaw addiction. I have not bought a saw in 36 hours....
It was a real sweet Stihl 034 super :)
Quote from: Xtremez on October 30, 2013, 08:29:11 AM
Hey Gents. Was suffering withdrawals from A.S. being down and I stumbled onto this site. I saw a few familiar AS members and thought I'd say hi.
Hi fellow addict.
Hey, same story here, I think they are seeing a lot of us over here.
Word now is they're installing new software and it's not VB. Also since a lot of data is corrupt all the users may have to re-register. Sinking ship?
Welcome AS refugees. ;D 8) 8) 8)
Quote from: mesquite buckeye on October 30, 2013, 09:17:46 PM
Welcome AS refugees. ;D 8) 8) 8)
This site needs a like button lol
Quote from: tlandrum on October 29, 2013, 07:59:21 PM
i figured it would end up coming to a head and losing it all. when all the data is lost it ill end up going away and whithering just like racesaws did.
That's rather sad considering all the good information that will be lost. I used to weed though many pages of banter to get a few tips on saw fixes. I'm sure we can find the info on other sites. But I found alot on AS. I'll continue searching this site and any others. As others will too. Carry on...
I added the historic Art Martin thread to my favorites in it's entirety and I still have it on file.
Quote from: half_full on October 31, 2013, 12:24:32 AM
Quote from: tlandrum on October 29, 2013, 07:59:21 PM
i figured it would end up coming to a head and losing it all. when all the data is lost it ill end up going away and whithering just like racesaws did.
That's rather sad considering all the good information that will be lost. I used to weed though many pages of banter to get a few tips on saw fixes. I'm sure we can find the info on other sites. But I found alot on AS. I'll continue searching this site and any others. As others will too. Carry on...
I'm equally sure that won't always be the case - and then some... ;)
Hey Niko! :)
So this is where you all are. Any beers left in the cooler?
Anyone know how to get ahold of Spike60 from over there? Drop me a pm if you do.
I've deleted the last two posts. It would serve everyone well if you are new, to read the rules for posting on the forum. There is a link at the bottom. We do not allow the posting of personal contact information on the forum unless it is your own, and I don't think that is a very wise thing to do in it's own right. If you need to share contact information with another member, use the personal message system. That way the information stays private and there are no grey areas about your liabilities when you post someone else's information. Believe me, some people do not appreciate it one little bit and will start throwing around the L word if they find someone has done it.
Yeah buddy!
Howdy. Arboristsite refugee formerly known as Wheelman here. Im happy to see familiar faces around here, and looking forward to getting to know some new ones.
Art Martin,
a Gentleman and a Scholar.
I spent a few hours reading that thread. I truly feel blessed to have even been able to read it.
RIP Art
Another AS refugee checking in. Have not had the opportunity to look around much, but The Forestry Forum seems like a real good deal to me. Looking forward to becoming a part of this community. Thanks to the admin for granting me access.
Quote from: Hugenpoet on November 01, 2013, 09:12:40 AM
Another AS refugee checking in. Have not had the opportunity to look around much, but The Forestry Forum seems like a real good deal to me. Looking forward to becoming a part of this community. Thanks to the admin for granting me access.
Welcome my friend! :) ;D
Good morning Niko, great to see a true "old friend".
I see some of you are using different names on this forum, hard to tell who is who now, A like buton would be a nice addition here.
Quote from: CSeal on October 31, 2013, 10:23:41 PM
Howdy. Arboristsite refugee formerly known as Wheelman here. Im happy to see familiar faces around here, and looking forward to getting to know some new ones.
had not seen nor heard from you in a while. glad your still kicken. hows the logging going up your way?
I'm another Fugee from the AS site. A real shame :( as I always used it when researching anything to do with chainsaws (mainly as a lurker !!). It had a mindboggling amount of info on every conceivable type of saw !!
Via facebook, Darren says the site should be back up today. Keep your fingers crossed lol
Yep, No forum but linkbucks is still up, just checked. Must be amateur hour over there?
Quote from: Saw Dr. on October 31, 2013, 07:48:17 AM
Anyone know how to get ahold of Spike60 from over there? Drop me a pm if you do.
He's on here as SPIKE60...he just gave me some good info on saws.
Quote from: SawTroll on November 01, 2013, 09:27:59 AM
Quote from: Hugenpoet on November 01, 2013, 09:12:40 AM
Another AS refugee checking in. Have not had the opportunity to look around much, but The Forestry Forum seems like a real good deal to me. Looking forward to becoming a part of this community. Thanks to the admin for granting me access.
Welcome my friend! :) ;D
Hey Saw Troll!!!! smiley_clapping
I too am an AS refugee. I'm seeking asylum here on the forum. This must be how the Boat People felt.
Is the AS officially done or what?
As of about 4 hours ago, Darin had announced that the website would be up today, but not to try and access it yet, as the domain name was still pointing at the old server. He must have got a new server and has been setting everything up and testing on it before they move the domain name to make it go live. He said that that he thought they only lost a couple weeks worth of data.
Hope things go as planned for him.
I might have been on that site a few times. But would be terrible to lose all the posts and info. I would hate to see all the posts on here gone. :o
Quote from: Jeff on November 01, 2013, 03:22:32 PM
As of about 4 hours ago, Darin had announced that the website would be up today, but not to try and access it yet, as the domain name was still pointing at the old server. He must have got a new server and has been setting everything up and testing on it before they move the domain name to make it go live. He said that that he thought they only lost a couple weeks worth of data.
Hope things go as planned for him.
Thanks for the update! Would be great if the problems were finally solved!
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I cannot get back on there yet, but LinkBucks seems to be working again. >:(
Quote from: john_bud on October 17, 2013, 09:07:23 AM
Quote from: Jeff on October 16, 2013, 09:23:53 AM
For those that don't know about it, there is an arboristsite facebook fan page where Daren is trying to keep you updated on what is going on. https://www.facebook.com/groups/56478707772/
I don't "facebook". Could a nice kind person that does post an update here ?
Please.
Thanks!
I mostly don't either, but I am a member (or whatever it is called) because of a few "Groups"....
Yes sir I see quite a few AS faces around here. 8) Anyway I've been a member here for quite some time, just so many hours in a day, so I never really posted much. Overall seems like a nice site without LB lol.
Yup.
Quote from: ReggieT on November 01, 2013, 02:20:29 PM
Quote from: Saw Dr. on October 31, 2013, 07:48:17 AM
Anyone know how to get ahold of Spike60 from over there? Drop me a pm if you do.
He's on here as SPIKE60...he just gave me some good info on saws.
He tends to do that... :)
Quote from: Hugenpoet on November 01, 2013, 09:49:34 AM
Good morning Niko, great to see a true "old friend".
:D I originally wrote "ol' friend", but changed it - but you are just that....
I'm always happy to see you posting! ;D
Quote from: z71mike on October 31, 2013, 12:37:55 AM
Hey Niko! :)
Quote from: TreePointer on October 31, 2013, 12:57:36 AM
So this is where you all are. Any beers left in the cooler?
At least here they are! Welcome here (but swimming the Atlantic may be a challenge)! smiley_beertoast
Another AS refugee here. Tried earlier and got the linkbucks again. Seems like a good place here but was a member of AS for five years. I miss the pics in the off topic forum.
I'm a refugee from AS too. I just joined here the other day, it's good to see other AS members here. I tried to log on to AS today and got links bucks too.
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Quote from: tlandrum on November 01, 2013, 10:44:44 AM
Quote from: CSeal on October 31, 2013, 10:23:41 PM
Howdy. Arboristsite refugee formerly known as Wheelman here. Im happy to see familiar faces around here, and looking forward to getting to know some new ones.
had not seen nor heard from you in a while. glad your still kicken. hows the logging going up your way?
I had gotten my password screwed up on AS a while back and could not log in.
Logging is finally looking up for a change. Prices are inching up, and we are staying covered up with hauling.
Are you still logging any these days?
I sold all of my logging equipment and now have a retail store in wartburg. I sell logging supplies , saws ,lawn and garden stuff,mowers. basically a full line store. im selling jonsered,redmax and Dixon mowers. its a big change from logging but the lymes disease has all but stopped me from being able to log.
That is one thing about this site that has drove me nuts, is not being able to post pic's right in ur post there is a whole process that is a bit of a pain.
If you want to complain about my property and my way, I suggest you do it where I cant see it. I open my forum home to you, and you want to come into it and complain about it. Let me tell you what I do with people that come in my home and do that. Nah, I won't, but I'd be willing to show you. If you want to come here and post and be part of this membership, great, but it is under my rules. I am a very active owner and founder so I see what you write in the forums, and I feel what you write. Don't make me show my hard side.
Quote from: JOE.G on November 01, 2013, 10:00:16 PM
That is one thing about this site that has drove me nuts, is not being able to post pic's right in ur post there is a whole process that is a bit of a pain.
.... and your point is? ???
The technical ways to perform different actions obviously will vary between different forums, as they don't use the same software! ::)
Any chance that this whole thread can be moved to the general forum so that disgruntled AS members can be alone together.
Don't see many chainsaw questions being asked.
Saw Troll My point is that I have a hard time posting pictures, never said it was a fault of this board or never was bashing this board others may be able to do it just fine but I have a issue and if can it takes me a while if I want to post a bunch of Pic's. I have been told there are a couple ways to post pic's andI may be just doing it the hard way, but I never at any point was trying to bash this board. What I do like about posting Pic's here is that after I do get them post they are here for good unless Admins or I remove them.
I have been posting on this board before AS and I also have never abandoned this site I do Like it here, and If and when AS does come back I'll still be posting here along with AS.
Not many red"X"s on this forum. Yes,it's kinda of a bother,but do it a few times and it goes right along. Almost like doing a rebuild on a chainsaw. First few times a bother,gets easier after each time. ;D I also set my albums up so I can find stuff easy too.
How do you post the pics? ???
This should do it,
https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,61788.0.html
Don't miss a step.If you have problems,just ask,someone will help ya.
Quote from: JOE.G on November 02, 2013, 08:29:16 AM.....
I have been posting on this board before AS and I also have never abandoned this site I do Like it here, and If and when AS does come back I'll still be posting here along with AS.
Yes, the forums are quite different, there is no point in ditching one of them.....
Another refugee here, thank you for letting me join in. Look forward to meeting some new faces.
there is hope for us AS junkies. Checked it a few ago. Looks like the new server with a bar graph showing progress to be back up. About 70% there now.
Harry K
I never have been to AS and don't know Darin or anything about him. I see a lot of Darin bashing going on over his as of yet unsuccessful attempts to get that site going again. I wonder if any of you that are beating him up over it can do any better, and if you can, why not help the man out?
Well said
Howdy all!!! How about some nice build threads or some other interesting saw info...... kinda jonesing after one of my favorite forums has been comprimised. Nice site here btw!!!! Glad to see some familiar members!
Quote from: FWPT on November 02, 2013, 06:41:54 PM
Howdy all!!! How about some nice build threads or some other interesting saw info...... kinda jonesing after one of my favorite forums has been comprimised. Nice site here btw!!!! Glad to see some familiar members!
Welcome aboard think you'll like it here, a saw build thread would be fun
So this is what we get for being as welcoming as possible in a bad situation for you guys? I don't even know who this is yet, but I'm sure he probably has posted on this topic.
PayPal
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i'm sorry Jeff. we are not all like that guy.
That's really low and childish, really not even worth the effort!!
We don't need members like that.He would not of lasted long anyways.
How nice of the guy to leave his home address so you know where to send the flaming bag of dog poo!
I'm guessing he was one of the recent bans from the site. There have been more bans in the last week than in the last year. The paypal email address is different than any used to register, so I really don't know which user name he is. I'm sure someone does. Quite a guy eh?
Joe Kidd It's kinda funny what his real name looks like when you replace two letters with two Asterisks. ;D
Quote from: Jeff on November 02, 2013, 09:32:58 PM
I'm guessing he was one of the recent bans from the site. There have been more bans in the last week than in the last year. The paypal email address is different than any used to register, so I really don't know which user name he is. I'm sure someone does. Quite a guy eh?
Yes, stellar! ::)
95% of the people on AS are great. The other 5%...they're like a bunch of whiny little kids who pout and throw tantrums when they don't get their way. They're not needed and definitely not wanted.
clearly we would like to meet more of the 95% and less of the 5. exSW has decided he thinks this is all fun and games, and now is added to the ban list. Any more want to leave right now? I'm sick of this crap. I don't have time for it. We had a dear dear friend die yesterday, I have an old dog here that is in his last days that I am caring for as well as other issues that just have taken all the patience right out of me. I've had enough. If you don't like it here, I never asked you to come. If you do like it here, we welcome you and appreciate you.
Well said Jeff. I am really sorry to hear about the troubles you are dealing with right now.
Quote from: gologit on November 02, 2013, 10:02:45 PM
95% of the people on AS are great. The other 5%...they're like a bunch of whiny little kids who pout and throw tantrums when they don't get their way. They're not needed and definitely not wanted.
I believe the ratio is closer to 99:1, but I never really counted.... ;D
Am I a 1%er Niko?
Love,
mo
I was going to stay away from this thread but...........
I'm a member of 4 or 5 sites, and have been here a while. They are all a little different; each site having it's own personality so to speak. Jeff runs a little tighter ship with standards that are higher than the other sites. It's definitely a more family oriented site and the bottom line is that everyone has to act like an adult here. The crap that's tolerated on other sites isn't welcome here. That's the rules guys. If you can't handle it, then go to the one other site that pretty much has no rules at all. (can't find a better example of a reason of why there must in fact BE rules than that site IMO) It's not cool to come here with a crashing the party mentality and then start complaining about being held to long established standards.
Looking at it another way, it's like visiting someone's house and having respect for the people who live there. You and a buddy might visit a guy at his workshop, have a few beers, and a few laughs. But you might also visit a friends home with your wife and you wouldn't track mud in the house and be loud and obnoxious.
So, you need to have respect for the way things are done here at FF. There's other places to play if you can't handle the rules. But complaing about them and busting Jeff's butt is simply a low class thing to do.
I kind of echo the previous post.I will add often it's not what is said but more so often how it's said .
I doubt seriously if there are too many people on the face of this earth that have as great of knowledge about the usage of the profane as myself .However there is a time and place and obviously this forum is not one of them . ;)
Well said,
This place is a wealth of knowledge, not just about chainsaws, but milling and forestry.
The milling is why I came here a few years back. It is refreshing to read about other things than the newest greatest porters of all time.
I get so tired of the term "ported" it is as if every saw that someone took a dremil to is now all that. It's like saying it's "painted" Y'all know there are good paint jobs and well you know. I salute Jeff for standing his ground, after all this IS his house.
I have been a member of both FF and AS for awhile and enjoy both of them. No problem with Jeff's rules, anyone in my family can read the posts without being offended and learn about what we do. A few years ago my granddaughter asked "why do people swear when they are working with tools?" Made me more aware.
All sites have their good and bad points. Childish and petty behavior can come from members and moderators.
Respect is a two way street, everyone would do well to remember that.
Excuse me? Respect is something that must be earned. The admins and moderators of this website did that years ago. Period. I am at the point of ZERO tolerance. Everyone would do well to remember THAT.
Where is the "face-palm" smiley?
Sorry you are having to deal with this, Jeff. When the AS mass-banning happens, how do I stay on the good guy list?
Saw Dr,many people have been a member on here and post regular. Be polite,no swearing,no name calling,respect was mentioned,act like you are in Jeff's or mine living room with my young Grandkids there and my wife. And help out members.I think it's a very simple thing to do. You can be around for many years,if you want to be. And by the way,I think that almost any ban come first with at least ONE warning.It's how this warning is taken is up to that person.They can come back bumping thier gums about how it does not matter and that's just the way they talk and so on.
Quote from: Jeff on November 03, 2013, 06:13:58 AM
Excuse me? Respect is something that must be earned. The admins and moderators of this website did that years ago. Period. I am at the point of ZERO tolerance. Everyone would do well to remember THAT.
I never said otherwise. Your house, your rules.
There are a lot of posts in this thread about how FF isn't like this site or that site. FF is like FF, take it or leave it.
Quote from: LeeB on November 02, 2013, 04:54:59 PM
I never have been to AS and don't know Darin or anything about him. I see a lot of Darin bashing going on over his as of yet unsuccessful attempts to get that site going again. I wonder if any of you that are beating him up over it can do any better, and if you can, why not help the man out?
This is a very well said post Thank you Sir.
I'm almost scared to say that I am also a AS refugee, but there, I said it. I recognize a lot of people from "over there", but it has been mentioned that a few have changed their user names. I would be one of those, simply because I'm not real "computer savvy" and didn't realize you could use the same name registered on another forum. Glad to see so many of you over here and hello from former "towingace".
Quote from: Spike60 on November 03, 2013, 04:43:47 AM
I was going to stay away from this thread but...........
I'm a member of 4 or 5 sites, and have been here a while. They are all a little different; each site having it's own personality so to speak. Jeff runs a little tighter ship with standards that are higher than the other sites. It's definitely a more family oriented site and the bottom line is that everyone has to act like an adult here. The crap that's tolerated on other sites isn't welcome here. That's the rules guys. If you can't handle it, then go to the one other site that pretty much has no rules at all. (can't find a better example of a reason of why there must in fact BE rules than that site IMO) It's not cool to come here with a crashing the party mentality and then start complaining about being held to long established standards.
Looking at it another way, it's like visiting someone's house and having respect for the people who live there. You and a buddy might visit a guy at his workshop, have a few beers, and a few laughs. But you might also visit a friends home with your wife and you wouldn't track mud in the house and be loud and obnoxious.
So, you need to have respect for the way things are done here at FF. There's other places to play if you can't handle the rules. But complaing about them and busting Jeff's butt is simply a low class thing to do.
+1 Bob if you ever decide to abandon the outdoor equipment business, you should pursue a career in diplomacy.
Well said smiley_thumbsup
Quote from: Hugenpoet on November 03, 2013, 10:58:53 AM
Quote from: Spike60 on November 03, 2013, 04:43:47 AM
I was going to stay away from this thread but...........
I'm a member of 4 or 5 sites, and have been here a while. They are all a little different; each site having it's own personality so to speak. Jeff runs a little tighter ship with standards that are higher than the other sites. It's definitely a more family oriented site and the bottom line is that everyone has to act like an adult here. The crap that's tolerated on other sites isn't welcome here. That's the rules guys. If you can't handle it, then go to the one other site that pretty much has no rules at all. (can't find a better example of a reason of why there must in fact BE rules than that site IMO) It's not cool to come here with a crashing the party mentality and then start complaining about being held to long established standards.
Looking at it another way, it's like visiting someone's house and having respect for the people who live there. You and a buddy might visit a guy at his workshop, have a few beers, and a few laughs. But you might also visit a friends home with your wife and you wouldn't track mud in the house and be loud and obnoxious.
So, you need to have respect for the way things are done here at FF. There's other places to play if you can't handle the rules. But complaing about them and busting Jeff's butt is simply a low class thing to do.
+1 Bob if you ever decide to abandon the outdoor equipment business, you should pursue a career in diplomacy.
smiley_clapping
Quote from: Spike60 on November 03, 2013, 04:43:47 AM
I was going to stay away from this thread but...........
I'm a member of 4 or 5 sites, and have been here a while. They are all a little different; each site having it's own personality so to speak. Jeff runs a little tighter ship with standards that are higher than the other sites. It's definitely a more family oriented site and the bottom line is that everyone has to act like an adult here. The crap that's tolerated on other sites isn't welcome here. That's the rules guys. If you can't handle it, then go to the one other site that pretty much has no rules at all. (can't find a better example of a reason of why there must in fact BE rules than that site IMO) It's not cool to come here with a crashing the party mentality and then start complaining about being held to long established standards.
Looking at it another way, it's like visiting someone's house and having respect for the people who live there. You and a buddy might visit a guy at his workshop, have a few beers, and a few laughs. But you might also visit a friends home with your wife and you wouldn't track mud in the house and be loud and obnoxious.
So, you need to have respect for the way things are done here at FF. There's other places to play if you can't handle the rules. But complaing about them and busting Jeff's butt is simply a low class thing to do.
Agree 100% I enjoy this site and others as well. I have learned quite a bit and offer advise when I can. It's a shame that a few ruin it for many.
Quote from: Saw Dr. on November 03, 2013, 06:22:32 AM
Where is the "face-palm" smiley?
Sorry you are having to deal with this, Jeff. When the AS mass-banning happens, how do I stay on the good guy list?
No need for a mass banning, most will leave on their on free will. This thread will continue to become an AS bashing and no one will feel welcome, I certainly dont. I came for the comradery, sharing interest in a particular hobby we all enjoy but suddenly feel unwelcome. If AS doesn't return then Ill have to learn not to share my interest on a forum. I wish the FF members the best, safe cutting and God Bless.
Not sure where you get this topic an As bashing. Not from me. Not once and never implied.
Something I wanted to address, but when I read it, I had my phone and was not going to try and thumb out a reply, then forgot about it until it was just brought back up. We certainly would never ever ban a group because they happen to be affiliated with a given group (unless you have a chinese I.P, address). Everyone here stands or falls on their own merit. Just so happens that lately, with the problems at AS, that a large share of the new registrations came from there. For the most part, those new members fit in fine, but we did have to filter out a couple.
honestly jeff some of the as guys are just interested in chatting on the forum , cuttting up and derailing threads. others are a great asset to any site. ill leave it up to personal opinion which one is which.
Your house...your rules.
No further explaination needed!
Exactly right.
I sure hope I don't have a chinese IP address..... ;D
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Quote from: mikey517 on November 04, 2013, 05:01:40 AM
Your house...your rules.
No further explaination needed!
True! :)
While I do hope AS gets back up and running I am glad I ran across this place. It is good to have another source of different opinions.
I've been a member here for many years. I travel a good bit and actually did get booted once when I logged on from Thailand. :D :D
AS is back up and running, now I get to kill time on both sites ! wOOt !!
Quote from: woodenboater on November 04, 2013, 05:49:49 PM
AS is back up and running, now I get to kill time on both sites ! wOOt !!
I still can't bring it up, is there some secret?
John
It comes up in FF and Safari (even with javascripts allowed). maybe dump your cache ?
you need to reload the page or refresh the page and it will load for you
If they have moved to a new server (with a different IP address) it can take a couple of days for the DNS records at all the ISPs to be updated. Try again tomorrow?
Gday
There has been some very good post in this thread which on the subject of behaviour I totally agree with
Id just like to say I was delighted to find this site and be welcomed and well advised either directly or indirectly by several members
thankyou for an informative interesting and helpful friendly site
regards The Redfella
frum down under the great down under
Quote from: tlandrum on November 04, 2013, 06:35:17 PM
you need to reload the page or refresh the page and it will load for you
Reload did it, thank ya Mr. landrum Sir.
John
Quote from: Al_Smith on September 20, 2013, 07:07:34 PM
:D Well now isn't this a fine kettle of fish .Here I sit out of curisoty seeing if I can access the site in question and have no problem and I'm banned till the end of time .Yet good old faithfull members can't get on .
Ha you've all been banned :)--you just don't know it yet . :o
Hahahaha...kinda funny...in a sorta twisted way. :D
What did you do to deserve such a fate...surely it was a conspiracy no doubt? lol
I could get in last night, can't this morning even using a control-refresh which should force a new search, not from cache.
Was trying to find a particular old thread but I can't get in at all.
Hu :o
Quote from: shootingarts on November 05, 2013, 10:59:10 AM
I could get in last night, can't this morning even using a control-refresh which should force a new search, not from cache.
Was trying to find a particular old thread but I can't get in at all.
Hu :o
Just tried to get on 10 min ago...no luck...although I did spend some time last night...engaged in some verbal one-upsmanship...as usual! :D
Site sure is different looking guess we'll get use to it.
looks different for sure! but still the same friendly people with old school hospitality for those that were here from day one to the new members.
Seems the "political/religious" views forum has sorta been left out. Kinda enjoyed the cat fights in there. Hope they bring it back.
Harry K
Does look different.
Did you guys have to re register? I am a bit nervous of going there and getting virus.
Quote from: JOE.G on November 06, 2013, 08:28:13 AM
Did you guys have to re register? I am a bit nervous of going there and getting virus.
If your anti virus is up to date you don't have anything to be worried about.
Just went to have a look and Linkbucks is still there. At first, I got the home page. Then tried to log in and it went directly to linkbucks. Tried it on the shop computer in the back, and.....right to linkbucks. Hilarious. :D
I guess link bucks didn't read that it wasn't allowed. I seem to remember telling them they were poking a bear with a really short stick by posting that stuff.
Just tried it OK until I tried to post & then the links /bucks junk retried but still no joy
Man I don't understand computer stuff all that well, But the virus must really have spread though all of his stuff.
Also Why do people start up sites, Say Jeff here for example do they Make money from the people that Advertise on the site? I am guessing so , I am sure there has to be expense besides all of the the Headaches to keep it going.
Is the money worth it?
I'm not a computer tech either. But, I suspect somebody who really is a tech has made a hobby out of AS.
It's kinda like owning an expensive piece of equipment. Fine when it is running good,but bad when you have trouble. ;D
Quote from: Jeff on November 02, 2013, 09:34:26 PM
Joe Kidd It's kinda funny what his real name looks like when you replace two letters with two Asterisks. ;D
I thought that was intended as a shot at you, Jeff. :D
Quote from: JOE.G on November 06, 2013, 09:06:14 AM
Also Why do people start up sites, Say Jeff here for example do they Make money from the people that Advertise on the site? I am guessing so , I am sure there has to be expense besides all of the the Headaches to keep it going.
You're right, there is more to life than money :)
Origins of the Forestry Forum (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,30658.0.html)
Could this be an inside job? Something suspicious is going on.
Quote from: tlandrum on November 06, 2013, 08:59:18 AM
I guess link bucks didn't read that it wasn't allowed. I seem to remember telling them they were poking a bear with a really short stick by posting that stuff.
I think you're right. It's gone way beyond just a simple hacking and seems to have turned into something personal and malicious.
Most site owners are gluttons for punishment, particularly in the early days. If I'm not way mistaken not one site in a hundred justifies the money, time, and headaches put into it. I have co-owned and administered sites long ago as well as being a mod other places.
Although it is dinosaur certification that means nothing now, back in the nineties I was a MasterCNE. Network certification didn't get any better, there were less than two thousand of us in the world. I know nothing about the practical side of working on computers and networks anymore, plenty of theory. It could be that someone is continuing to attack the arborist site, more likely a well written attack to begin with. The attack file may have embedded itself into other files and renamed or destroyed the original files. A lot of nasties are possible. It can be almost impossible to clean the files without major time and dollars spent if the attack software hasn't already been broken down and defended against. Many years ago someone gave my brother the beta of a new game that wasn't even anywhere near beta release. They also unknowingly gave him the beta of a virus. Since nobody including Norton and McAffee had ever seen it getting it off of a handful of machines was very hard. One friend completely rebuilt his system. He decided his favorite wallpaper jpeg was too cool to give up. Bam! Time to rebuild the machine again.
Norton offered to name the virus after me if I sent them a copy. "Let's see, what I really want is for dozens of workstations and the servers to start crashing where I am running the IT department and then we discover the attacker is named Hu's Bug." Somehow I managed to decline the honor! Unofficially named the nasty varmint Jojo the Dogfaced Boy, don't know what it was named.
Hate to say it but unless there are good older offline back-ups I suspect everything at the arborist site include the database files are history. It could take one or two people months working full time to manually clean everything and that might be optimistic. At this point I think they need a good programmer to even try to defend against the attack if linkbucks is back. No idea what skills the owner(s) have.
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#&#^@*&$#&^!! in my best Snuffy Smith imitation! Swapped to firefox for a little more protection and went to AS. Linkbucks is back on the main page now, for me anyway.
Hu
Quote from: gologit on November 06, 2013, 10:07:47 AM
Quote from: tlandrum on November 06, 2013, 08:59:18 AM
I guess link bucks didn't read that it wasn't allowed. I seem to remember telling them they were poking a bear with a really short stick by posting that stuff.
I think you're right. It's gone way beyond just a simple hacking and seems to have turned into something personal and malicious.
Could not agree more.....
....and it's baaaaaaaaaaaaack!!! :-[
Clicked on it and got in, signed in and it still worked, so far so good.
Quote from: tlandrum on November 06, 2013, 08:59:18 AM
I guess link bucks didn't read that it wasn't allowed. I seem to remember telling them they were poking a bear with a really short stick by posting that stuff.
That's what I thought. Instant challenge to the hackers
Harry K
This is a good site. Lots of information available without all the drama and childish behavior that some of the other places have.
AS is back up, this time for good I hope, but I'll be spending a lot of time here, too.
Have been on AS some and left some posts with no problem. Have no problem going back so I guess it's working again. Some of the stuff seems to not be working, the search for one thing. I use the search more than anything you can find anything on AS search as far as repairs or mods, good reading through sometimes a bunch of dribble. I don't plan on leaving this site soon bunch of good folks here, I enjoy my time.
I can say one thing for you guys from AS. You all are keeping the chainsaw board busy. ;D Would be kinda slow there. Not anymore.
Quote from: gologit on November 06, 2013, 05:49:05 PM
This is a good site. Lots of information available without all the drama and childish behavior that some of the other places have.
AS is back up, this time for good I hope, but I'll be spending a lot of time here, too.
Amen!
It's back down, asking for password and sign in. Hope he gets it figured out, what a nightmare.
I spoke to soon, working again.
Quote from: UniversalFogger on November 06, 2013, 10:41:16 PM
I spoke to soon, working again.
I'm not in yet. Seems it lost my new password. I'll have to go through the "forgotten password routine agan" (third time). too late tonight.
Harry K
Quote from: gologit on November 06, 2013, 05:49:05 PM
This is a good site. Lots of information available without all the drama and childish behavior that some of the other places have.
AS is back up, this time for good I hope, but I'll be spending a lot of time here, too.
This is great site, lots of info and low key. Thanks Jeff! Also good to see that AS is back up
Quote from: thecfarm on November 06, 2013, 07:38:03 PM
I can say one thing for you guys from AS. You all are keeping the chainsaw board busy. ;D Would be kinda slow there. Not anymore.
that's one of the differences at AS. I would describe it as a "Primarily Chainsaw" driven viewership. and a very passionate one at that. Some of us AS expatriates are a little looney for our saws...I mean I can name a few guys off the top of my head that own north of 100 saws that they know of...all of which run and are run regularly( and nobody thinks that's strange)
here its a much broader base of viewers. some of the posters here use a saw because they "HAVE" to, to get a cant to the mill...I cant even spell mill...
and us AS guys are used to the loosely defined social banter some of which might not be accepted as appropriate elsewhere. But at 2am in the morning I can ask the most obscure question about the most obscure saw and someone in some part of the world gives me the answer and often enough the part for the repair, often just for the love of helping a brother out. hopefully y'all will bend a little more then normal to lets us "fit in" with the rest of y'all and we can solve world hunger together...or a save few more saws...what ever is more important.
I'm always willing to accept, but bend, when it comes to rules of conduct on what is meant to be and always has been a family site, fit for all ages, No.
Believe me, and if you knew me in real life or worked with me, you would know I can fit in elsewhere with no problem. This website's rules do not come from my being a prude. It comes from having initial respect for everyone.
Quote from: Jeff on November 07, 2013, 11:10:28 AM
I'm always willing to accept, but bend, when it comes to rules of conduct on what is meant to be and always has been a family site, fit for all ages, No.
Believe me, and if you knew me in real life or worked with me, you would know I can fit in elsewhere with no problem. This website's rules do not come from my being a prude. It comes from having initial respect for everyone.
Jeff,
As far as I am concerned the golden rule applies, he who has the gold . . . When somebody else wants the headache and cost of putting together a site they can do things their way on their site. I do agree a bunch of good guys on AS but more of a locker room atmosphere.
Years ago I was co-owner and co-admin of a political site. Didn't exactly want it and there is a bit of a long story about why I opened it as a "partner site" to one that closed a political forum. Anyway, my rules were identical to yours, family site and a hard black line. As a result we were able to talk about religion, race, things that were impossible on a less civil forum and always cost a banning or two.
As you know there is a black line that you have drawn. Move it anywhere more lenient and it becomes umpteen shades of gray. Black lines are easier for people to adhere to. Guess that is why my employees at my business had a saying they adhered to, "Hu's way or the highway." Fired a few people I didn't want to but everyone knew where they stood.
You have a great site here and judging by the ad's a profitable one. Congratulations! That ain't easy.
Hu
Quote from: Jeff on November 07, 2013, 11:10:28 AM
I'm always willing to accept, but bend, when it comes to rules of conduct on what is meant to be and always has been a family site, fit for all ages, No.
Believe me, and if you knew me in real life or worked with me, you would know I can fit in elsewhere with no problem. This website's rules do not come from my being a prude. It comes from having initial respect for everyone.
Jeff,
Im obviously new here and can't find the guidelines or posting rules. can you point me out a link ?
just trying to learn the lay of the land here. thanks.
A
https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=rules
Quote from: LeeB on November 07, 2013, 12:59:01 PM
https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=rules
thanks
And a good way to think of posting, is if you would hesitate to say it in Jeff's living room with family around, then likely not a good way to say it that way here. ;)
Most of the time, the words used don't really contribute to the message.
Quote from: beenthere on November 07, 2013, 02:37:15 PM
And a good way to think of posting, is if you would hesitate to say it in Jeff's living room with family around, then likely not a good way to say it that way here. ;)
Most of the time, the words used don't really contribute to the message.
I'm with ya, but often the tone or inferences made are far more damaging then the language no matter whose living room (or computer) we are in. all told the innernet isn't a communication smooth surface yet.
I am sitting on the recliner watching "Crocodile Dundee 3" with my 7 year old son sitting on the armrest reading the FF posts with me, I don't have to worry at all about what he's reading. That's what the FF means to me. I am monitoring the movie but, so far so good. :)
Quote from: WildDog on November 08, 2013, 04:45:58 AM
I am sitting on the recliner watching "Crocodile Dundee 3" with my 7 year old son sitting on the armrest reading the FF posts with me, I don't have to worry at all about what he's reading. That's what the FF means to me. I am monitoring the movie but, so far so good. :)
Sums it up PERFECTLY! :) :)
My kid does basically the same thing. 8)
You know the ironic part about all this and I'm not being picky is if this much time was spent on the site you guys so admire even mentioning another site other than AS would get every single one of you banned .Now that's a fact Jack I've seen it .
Quote from: Al_Smith on November 08, 2013, 07:06:39 PM
You know the ironic part about all this and I'm not being picky is if this much time was spent on the site you guys so admire even mentioning another site other than AS would get every single one of you banned .Now that's a fact Jack I've seen it .
I'm not sure about getting you banned, but it wouldn't last any longer than it took one of the mods to see it. I thought about that when I first saw this thread. AS would never let it stand.
as has an ignorant policy when it comes to mentioning other sites. ive never seen anyone so worried that we might also post somewhere else. personally I am active on atleast a half dozen forums.
If I'm banned from a site, I'm banned, it matters little to me, as I have a life outside the internet. Now some have a vested interest in these chainsaw forums. Brad, Randy, Tlandrum and many others all profit from these sites, I myself does not, so I could honestly care less. If a site welcomes me, that's great!! if not so be it, my life goes on all the same.
A.S. is definately full of drama and drama queens for that matter. this site is where it is at if you are looking for good info and atmosphere. it is nice to see that the undesierables were turned away and this site will stay family friendly.
Anybody else notice that the older posts are gone? Gone are all the port maps and engine degree threads? What a loss.
Quote from: STIHLFULLSKIP on November 10, 2013, 07:51:51 AM
A.S. is definately full of drama and drama queens for that matter. this site is where it is at if you are looking for good info and atmosphere. it is nice to see that the undesierables were turned away and this site will stay family friendly.
It sure is ;)
I tried it at work because I refuse to access that site from my home computor .It's definately different .
I noticed the old mods apparently are gone( or changed their log on names ) ;) and the membership dropped to around 50 thousand ,from a once reported 90 some thou .I question that high of number but hey it's on the internet so it must be true . ;D
well it's been just over two months since the hack, is the site safe to go to now?.................. :-\
Probabley is .If your computor goes bonkers though it might be a bad idea . :D
Quote from: old 030 on November 13, 2013, 04:30:13 PM
well it's been just over two months since the hack, is the site safe to go to now?.................. :-\
As of now it's good to go.
Check again,
it now wants you to upload flash,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,in Spanish?
I would be leary of doing that!
Man, AS not getting any breaks it seems. Not sure if it's the same source but this doesn't bode well. Will be monitoring it thru the day to see if any progress has been made.
Looks like they are working on solving things again. Got to be getting old!
I have been having a copy of Firefox loaded for a long time. I installed the noscript add-on that gives me control of what scripts can run. It also lets me see all scripts trying to run. This can block some redirects, don't know about all redirects.
I'm on limited downloads with a satellite out here in the country and even the news feeds playing video and ads I don't want burns a lot of usage in a month. I'm swapping to Firefox for my browsing more and more.
Hu
Quote from: motard on November 15, 2013, 08:22:25 AM
Check again,
it now wants you to upload flash,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,in Spanish?
My friend Norton told me not to, so I didn't! ;)
I just got a message that they unavailable for a while. Somebody most assuredly has screwed Daren good. Noboyd should have to endure this torture. What jerks there are in the world.
there's hacking and such but for some reason, this strikes me as personal. there's some serious ill intent going on and I hope Darin can weather the latest storm.
Someone has a real problem with the power that be over there.
I have a few suspicions?
Quote from: SawTroll on November 15, 2013, 10:10:58 AM
Quote from: motard on November 15, 2013, 08:22:25 AM
Check again,
it now wants you to upload flash,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,in Spanish?
My friend Norton told me not to, sp I didn't! ;)
Norton told me the same thing. I'm liking this place better all the time.
Quote from: gologit on November 15, 2013, 11:58:01 AM
Quote from: SawTroll on November 15, 2013, 10:10:58 AM
Quote from: motard on November 15, 2013, 08:22:25 AM
Check again,
it now wants you to upload flash,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,in Spanish?
My friend Norton told me not to, so I didn't! ;)
Norton told me the same thing. I'm liking this place better all the time.
Fixed both my own and your post.
Again? Get a "account suspended" message....
Why is that site having so many issues?
I get a screen saying this account has been suspended.
John
? same here????
Yeah, I see it's wigged out again.
I think somebody don't like somebody.
Yup...here we go again. I just read the FB page and nobody has been able to get on.
I agree. Somebody is seriously messing with them. I'd hate to see AS go down the tube but after all this trouble I wouldn't blame Darin for just washing his hands of the whole thing.
Crap. I was hoping it was just me. Then I came herew ans hung my head when I saw this thread.
I really hope that doesn't happen. I thought we were back to normal. I'm so disappointed.
That is too bad to hear of trouble again.
I don't have any trouble at all... ??? ??? ???
7
strange, but it's back up
Working for me. If not I have "plan B" in place now, Firefox and Noscript. Prevents the redirects.
Hu
double tap apparently. Sorry!
fine until a few seconds ago. now can't connect to the server. is *IT* back ?
Quote from: z71mike on December 07, 2013, 09:01:16 AM
I really hope that doesn't happen. I thought we were back to normal. I'm so disappointed.
Well, pull up a chair and start an oil thread or lament about the lack of almost free CL saws in pristine condition. It'll be like it never went away all over again.
Just kidding, although an oil thread is always fun.
OH SNAP :D
Suspended it is eh .Hmm I got expelled . :D
Tried to get on AS a few minutes go! No dice!!!
Al,I thought you was here for the Oil War. :D Someone did mention it.
Somebody sure has AS in the crosshairs.
Its offline right now huh?
Up, down, hick-ups, up at the moment but they are sure having their share of grief lately.
Hu
Quote from: thecfarm on December 08, 2013, 08:49:47 PM
Al,I thought you was here for the Oil War. :D Someone did mention it.
Well that is good sport if I do say so myself .I enjoy reving up the purple gang and the 100 to 1 crowd .
Really though makes me not a hill of beans what they use .If tuna fish oil would work have at it but it would likely draw every cat within a country mile .
No I was here long before being exiled from the site everyone is lamenting about .I have my theory on that but for arguments sakes have decided to refrain from comment on same . In other words I'll not argue,simple as that ;D
And I enjoy watching you rev them up. ;D
I haven't had a single issue on the AS in some time now, but I may not have logged on in the "right" time to see it?
Anyway, the change to the new software means that a lot of good and important info is lost - so I am really not happy at all - the change is a major loss of info that members have put a lot of effort into posting there.... :'( >:(
Quote from: SawTroll on December 12, 2013, 01:52:21 AM
I haven't had a single issue on the AS in some time now, but I may not have logged on in the "right" time to see it?
Anyway, the change to the new software means that a lot of good and important info is lost - so I am really not happy at all - the change is a major loss of info that members have put a lot of effort into posting there.... :'( >:(
Really messed up some good threads. I was digging for some stuff today. With all the pictures missing that the text refers to and a lot of the links not working it definitely took a lot away from the forum. The sorry bottom feeding hacker was pretty successful.
There have been some site upgrades shutting things down for a few hours and some work done that was not caused by fresh attacks, just tweaking the new software. Aside from any issues with the site I am on satellite where I am at and the bad weather we have had a lot of lately could be impacting my access sometimes.
Hu
Would be interesting if a read only copy of the old version could be setup?
7
Quote from: 7sleeper on December 12, 2013, 05:58:55 AM
Would be interesting if a read only copy of the old version could be setup?
7
I haven't messed with such things since the 90's, I'm pretty out of date on everything these days, but it seems like dumping everything into a read only archive might be possible. Might have to log into it separately but that wouldn't be that big of a deal.
Hu