Figured I would just make a thread to share the day to day stuff I am doing around the mill. I am a huge fan of pictures and posting stuff I do so I figured someone may be interested and I am sure I will learn from what others will have to say about what I am doing!
To start off, Here is what I milled yesterday evening after finishing up the horses for the day.
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And Here is some stickers I sawed, 1" by 1".
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:P with interest ;D
Quote from: plowboyswr on August 25, 2015, 12:54:36 PM
:P with interest ;D
I knew some would find it interesting! :D Hang in for the ride lol 8)
Wallee,
Interesting so far. Can you update your profile to show what kind of mill and support equipment you are using? Will help us understand the challenges and accomplishments better.
Nice!
Glad to see another miller who is not claiming to average 2,000 ft per day on hardwoods
Amen!!! One man band, happy to saw 600bf
Good job Wallee.Take this for what it's worth but i started making all my stickers and dunnage the same length .Every thing is around 48 in.You get better air flow and when loading a trailer it fits .Your packs will look neater as well. It's good to see your progress and your interest in making a good product.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on August 25, 2015, 05:27:48 PM
Wallee,
Interesting so far. Can you update your profile to show what kind of mill and support equipment you are using? Will help us understand the challenges and accomplishments better.
Sure I will update some of that tonight!
Quote from: petefrom bearswamp on August 25, 2015, 05:32:44 PM
Nice!
Glad to see another miller who is not claiming to average 2,000 ft per day on hardwoods
Ha ha oh yeah no where near that!
Quote from: slider on August 25, 2015, 09:03:49 PM
Good job Wallee.Take this for what it's worth but i started making all my stickers and dunnage the same length .Every thing is around 48 in.You get better air flow and when loading a trailer it fits .Your packs will look neater as well. It's good to see your progress and your interest in making a good product.
Thanks! Yeah this is the first stuff I have really tried to keep neat and stacked and stickered like what I want. I am thinking of taking the chainsaw and sawing off all the excess stickers that are hanging out. Would that be a bad idea lol?
Good idea. A battery powered circle or reciprocating saw also works. ;D
Quote from: Magicman on August 25, 2015, 11:01:15 PM
Good idea. A battery powered circle or reciprocating saw also works. ;D
Im liking the reciprocating saw idea! I have one of those I love running it for some reason lol
Also here is a video from around the mill I made. Cutting some logs to length and a little rambling at the end!
https://youtu.be/OSGpK92YhJI
Here is a question I bet tons of you can help a rookie with. I am wondering how much water to run on my blade. A slow drip? or more? Reason I am asking is because I notice I have to scrub wet sawdust off every board... That is annoying lol. If I run the water more it seems to not be as bad. SO what is the effects of too much water vs. too little?
Wallee...nice thread. I saw dry most of the time. When sawing white oak and pine, I will occasionally have to clean the blade. when I do, I use a diesel wipe. A clean blade is a happy blade. 8) ;)
I was using water in the beginning because I thought it was the thing to do, I've found it's not needed for what I do and run it occasionally if I make more passes than usual. Maybe that will change when I start on some white pine. Besides sawdust sticking, it freezes it to the board in the winter.
i just run a slow drip unless i start to see buildup on blade the i will run alot (1/8" steady stream) until i finish that log. had an ash log cause major buildup yesterday bad as pine never had that happen in ash before :)
Wallee how do you like the the log clamp on your mill I seen you had one break but do they do a pretty good job.
Quote from: East ky logging on August 26, 2015, 08:15:16 AM
Wallee how do you like the the log clamp on your mill I seen you had one break but do they do a pretty good job.
They do a good job! I was over clamping in the beginning. I guess I was thinking of using it as a dog on a carriage when it indeed was as it was called and just a clamp. So I have been using it lately just slightly snugging up my cant and it has got a lot better.
Quote from: sandsawmill14 on August 26, 2015, 07:39:49 AM
i just run a slow drip unless i start to see buildup on blade the i will run alot (1/8" steady stream) until i finish that log. had an ash log cause major buildup yesterday bad as pine never had that happen in ash before :)
Do you have a lot of sawdust sticking to your lumber?
This is a good idea. ;D
Wallee, try a drying stick on the ends of your stacks 2"-4" in from the ends, it helps prevent checking if your staking bunks on top of each other. Your shins will appreciate cutting the excess lengths back. I have settled in on 42"-44" drying sticks. I try to grade them clear of knots so they don't fall apart.
Quote from: Wallee on August 26, 2015, 10:08:36 AM
Quote from: sandsawmill14 on August 26, 2015, 07:39:49 AM
i just run a slow drip unless i start to see buildup on blade the i will run alot (1/8" steady stream) until i finish that log. had an ash log cause major buildup yesterday bad as pine never had that happen in ash before :)
Do you have a lot of sawdust sticking to your lumber?
there is quite a bit of dust on the lumber but its not wet and you can drop the board on its edge and it will almost all fall off. my feed rate may be enough faster than yours to keep dust from getting wet and sticky. today i sawed 54 7x9s and a total of a little over 3800 bd ft today ;D i love sawing big gum. my numbers are about half that in white oak and even less in hickory when my wife gets her new camera i will try to get a video posted of it sawing
Yes, the first sticks need to be at the ends of your boards.
Very nice stack of wood for an evenings work, especially from a manual mill. As far as lube water -- just enough, but not too much. If your mill has a tension gauge, keep an eye on it. Dropping tension means the band is getting hot -- run more water. Watch for sap on the band, add more water. If in doubt......add more water. You'll get a feel for it over time. Cool clean bands are what you want.
Quote from: sandsawmill14 on August 26, 2015, 05:41:30 PM
Quote from: Wallee on August 26, 2015, 10:08:36 AM
Quote from: sandsawmill14 on August 26, 2015, 07:39:49 AM
i just run a slow drip unless i start to see buildup on blade the i will run alot (1/8" steady stream) until i finish that log. had an ash log cause major buildup yesterday bad as pine never had that happen in ash before :)
Do you have a lot of sawdust sticking to your lumber?
there is quite a bit of dust on the lumber but its not wet and you can drop the board on its edge and it will almost all fall off. my feed rate may be enough faster than yours to keep dust from getting wet and sticky. today i sawed 54 7x9s and a total of a little over 3800 bd ft today ;D i love sawing big gum. my numbers are about half that in white oak and even less in hickory when my wife gets her new camera i will try to get a video posted of it sawing
Heck yes to the video idea! Man o man you was getting it at 54 7x9's! Ha ha I would love to be able to saw that many! In time, In time I will!! I cut my first few gums about a week ago and it went alot faster than these pin/red oaks I have been in!
Quote from: WDH on August 26, 2015, 09:43:23 PM
Yes, the first sticks need to be at the ends of your boards.
Note taken! I will add some in there!
Quote from: mesquite buckeye on August 26, 2015, 10:33:21 AM
This is a good idea. ;D
Thanks! I will post tons of pics! I will even post a few of my logging adventures from time to time!
Nice to see people posting pics and vids, especially others with a similar mill.
The water drip depends on the species, in a fresh hardwood log that has plenty of moisture in it I might not run any at all. If there starts to be some build up I'll add a slow drip. In pine with a lot of sap I add Pinesol and run a small stream on the blade if it is really building up. Just have to figure it out a little as you go, there's really no right or wrong answer.
As for stickers, I cut all my stickers, stacking sticks (2x3's used between stacks to get the forks in), and blocks (4x6's used on the ground, on truck beds etc) to about 42-44". This works for my operation because my forks are 42" and therefore I try to make my stacks that wide as well. Two stacks side by side are about 7' and fit well on a truck or trailer bed.
I need more shed storage space! For the time being, what are my options for keeping my stacked lumber in its best shape outside? Tarps? Tin on top?
Good solid, level bunks on the bottom for foundation (10-12" space above ground to first wood layer), stickers in direct vertical line above each bunk and 12-24" spacing between stickers, with waterproof cover above the stack about 6-8" air space. Weights on top to hold everything down tight.
Stack located for good air movement through the stack.
For starters.. ;)
Quote from: beenthere on August 29, 2015, 01:35:50 AM
Good solid, level bunks on the bottom for foundation (10-12" space above ground to first wood layer), stickers in direct vertical line above each bunk and 12-24" spacing between stickers, with waterproof cover above the stack about 6-8" air space. Weights on top to hold everything down tight.
Stack located for good air movement through the stack.
For starters.. ;)
Ha ha post a pic!!
I need to visualize this!
Here is a pic of a stickered stack with a solid, level foundation. Can't help you with the top covering except to say that if you are serious about sawmilling, you are going to need an air drying shed. The foundations take a lot of time to make and do it right, so you don't want to be moving them. Therefore, if you are not going to be moving them, you may as well build a permanent roof.
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Quote from: Wallee on August 29, 2015, 12:47:11 AMI need more shed storage space! For the time being, what are my options for keeping my stacked lumber in its best shape outside? Tarps? Tin on top?
That is the other reason that I got out of the lumber business. No storage shed and no place to build one.
What i do is sticker stack lumber on long pallets ive built so i can move them easy with loader. Then i put a row of spacers on top, and put a piece of tin or plywood, or stagger stack slabs two layers thick. I aim to shed the bulk of the rain and allow airflow. Not saying this is proper, but it works for me for the time being.
Quote from: 4x4American on August 29, 2015, 05:31:13 PM
What i do is sticker stack lumber on long pallets ive built so i can move them easy with loader. Then i put a row of spacers on top, and put a piece of tin or plywood, or stagger stack slabs two layers thick. I aim to shed the bulk of the rain and allow airflow. Not saying this is proper, but it works for me for the time being.
I might do something like this to get me by! I am going to clean out my old barn and get it back up and going so I can store a few thousand feet! I am not cutting random lumber to sell just having a lot of side cuts from sawing cross ties. I just want to maximize what a log brings me $ wise and stacked barn sidding might just be the "market" for it around! I have had several calls about buying a mbf of mixed hardwood by wood workers but no one has showed up yet... talk is cheap ;) :D
sho ams!
another thing, you dont half two use pallets, i just think they're convenient. I also saw out 3x6 dunnage and set lumber on top of chunks of them. I've found that when you stack em on the soft ground the stack will self level if you put enough weight on it. I've heard of folks breaking out a stringline, but just get it close as you can and let gravity work the rest out. It depends what you have for dirt though.
wallee heres the pic of how im set up now
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i dont know how well it would work without hydraulics though
Quote from: sandsawmill14 on August 29, 2015, 11:36:17 PM
wallee heres the pic of how im set up now
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i dont know how well it would work without hydraulics though
Nice! Biggest hydraulic upgrade I want is a hydraulic clamp!
Hydraulic clamps are standard on LT40's. ;D
Quote from: Magicman on August 30, 2015, 02:20:39 PM
Hydraulic clamps are standard on LT40's. ;D
Ha ha my wife would get you for encouraging me to spend money lol! But on a serious note, I cut a 4x6 cant tonight and it was all over the place. This mill is consistently cutting 2 16ths off.... Two middle bunks every single time are 2/16ths from touching the cant at the deck.
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What species are you cutting? Are you keeping a sharp blade on it? Does it ever cut perfect or is it off 1/8" every single doggone time? Have you stringlined the mill to check the deck when there's a log off it and on it? Also try moving the head down the track while you have the stringline on it. Once the deck is crossed off the list, check your headrig alignment, to be sure. If it's still doing it then you might better sell it and get a 40. lol
Go back and review your support under the sawmill bed verifying that the bed is level and solidly supported. Then measure the distance from the blade to each bunk, measuring from each blade guide. I suspect that you are overlooking something simple.
I have a suspicion that you are missing the subtle signs of stress being released as you remove boards from the log/cant. You can not prevent this, but you have to react when you see an end (or center) lifting from the sawmill bed by turning the cant 180° and removing boards from the opposite side. Often after removing only one board. I have a huge C clamp that I sometimes have to use to pull the center down to the bed after turning.
Quote from: 4x4American on August 31, 2015, 07:44:40 AM
What species are you cutting? Are you keeping a sharp blade on it? Does it ever cut perfect or is it off 1/8" every single doggone time? Have you stringlined the mill to check the deck when there's a log off it and on it? Also try moving the head down the track while you have the stringline on it. Once the deck is crossed off the list, check your headrig alignment, to be sure. If it's still doing it then you might better sell it and get a 40. lol
Mostly oak and a few gums so far. Have changed blades several times. its 1/8" every single cant always in the center. I tightened the blade once and cut a cant that was 1/16th off but this mill has never to this day cut a single cant that was a solid number from end to end. I understand pressure in a log a bit now but that plain out isnt the case here. This mill cuts consistantly OFF! I will recheck the bed today but I have been through this before, the thing is level as it can be, and besides where it seemed a little off before I tried to lift that specific spot with a jack and it in turn lifted the entire mill bed. I haven't pulled a string yet so that will be my first thing to do today and see if I can find it there. Going to cut 3 1" blocks and pull a string and see if it somthing off there like some of you guys suggested in one of my other threads.
Quote from: Magicman on August 31, 2015, 09:48:13 AM
I have a suspicion that you are missing the subtle signs of stress being released as you remove boards from the log/cant. You can not prevent this, but you have to react when you see an end (or center) lifting from the sawmill bed by turning the cant 180° and removing boards from the opposite side. Often after removing only one board. I have a huge C clamp that I sometimes have to use to pull the center down to the bed after turning.
I will have to cut another today and see what I can figure out. It may be this. But I wouldn't think so unless it does this on every single log out there!
Quote from: Wallee on August 31, 2015, 10:09:07 AMBut I wouldn't think so unless it does this on every single log out there!
Since it is sawing consistently and to an exact pattern, then the sawmill is sawing in exact accordance with the way it is set up, adjusted, and aligned.
If the bed is
level and on a
solid foundation, and then if the blade measures the exact same distance from
each bunk as it is rolled from one end of the bed to the other, then the sawmill should be OK. That would mean that the blade is consistently rising or diving in the cut which seems highly unlikely. Sharp blades and
properly aligned blade guides, plus proper blade tension and drive belt tension will prevent blade diving and waves.
You have not pulled the string yet?
Pretty simple thing to do, and it will tell you a lot :).
Quote from: Magicman on August 31, 2015, 03:30:52 PM
Quote from: Wallee on August 31, 2015, 10:09:07 AMBut I wouldn't think so unless it does this on every single log out there!
Since it is sawing consistently and to an exact pattern, then the sawmill is sawing in exact accordance with the way it is set up, adjusted, and aligned.
If the bed is level and on a solid foundation, and then if the blade measures the exact same distance from each bunk as it is rolled from one end of the bed to the other, then the sawmill should be OK. That would mean that the blade is consistently rising or diving in the cut which seems highly unlikely. Sharp blades and properly aligned blade guides, plus proper blade tension and drive belt tension will prevent blade diving and waves.
Proper drive belt tension, how do I know it is right? I haven't noticed it slipping. I did however adjust it tighter while on the phone with a woodmizer consultant when trying to trouble shoot this before.
Pulled a string the other day and here is what I found. I pulled the string tight from the last bunk on each end, and it was pretty much hanging 1/16 to 2/16 all the way down the bed...
There's your problem! Now fix it!
Shim it in the low spots.
Quote from: WDH on September 04, 2015, 08:09:38 PM
Shim it in the low spots.
Going to do just that! But seems like shims would easily fall out when handling heavy logs?
Then try to unshim your high spots! If every bunk is low besides the end two, seems to me that the ends are too high.
You can also use long shims and nail them in place. Or glue.
Quote from: Wallee on September 05, 2015, 12:07:03 AM
Going to do just that! But seems like shims would easily fall out when handling heavy logs?
I did not have a problem with that.
I have been a builder for over 30 years .
String lines and plumb bobs never lie !
Jim/Bruno
Strings are good for straight in the horizontal, but always droop in the vertical due to the weight of the string. May not be enough droop to matter in this case.
Quote from: 4x4American on September 05, 2015, 07:00:30 AM
Then try to unshim your high spots! If every bunk is low besides the end two, seems to me that the ends are too high.
Think that would be easier to do than shimming it all over. Going to take my shovel to those two end bunks this evening and see what I can come up with! I think this is a simpler solution. We shall see!
Doesent anyone use a water level any more...
A bucket of water and two hoses works wonders...
Or a lazer....
keep us updated!
Wallee
Earlier this summer you posted a pic of your beginning foundation. Is it still the same, and sitting on the 6x6 blocks?
What is the ground like under these blocks, and is it possibly changing from time to time as logs are loaded and sawn??
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Quote from: beenthere on September 05, 2015, 07:45:21 PM
Wallee
Earlier this summer you posted a pic of your beginning foundation. Is it still the same, and sitting on the 6x6 blocks?
What is the ground like under these blocks, and is it possibly changing from time to time as logs are loaded and sawn??
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Only thing different is, I added another level of 4x6's longways to get the mill up higher. Underneath is just dirt that has been under that shed for years. I suspect that its hard being it has been there so many years and been walked on so much when the last mill was set up there.
So what have ya come up with?
Quote from: 4x4American on September 08, 2015, 08:02:52 AM
So what have ya come up with?
Been logging a bit and haven't fired the mill up till about 2 days ago! So I took the advice and unwedged the ends and sawed a cant.... and I was within a 1/16 all the way! Way closer. Hopefully with a little last adjustment, I should be in the clear!
So since all I have is some logging pics, I will share!
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Still out here cutting some pine. Did mill some of the saw logs up for a barn project!
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Looking good! How's she sawing?
Just a reminder that if you get involved with any "plantation planted" Pine logs, expect much stress/tension and plan to turn them 180° after each board is removed. Those fast growing with ½" growth rings are misery.
Quote from: 4x4American on September 25, 2015, 07:05:35 AM
Looking good! How's she sawing?
Honestly... I have cut a cant 1/16 out and felt like I was getting close only to cut another right after back to the 1/8 crap in the middle. But, I haven't sawed much due to being on a mostly pine/hardwood pulp track of timber. I will have a few loads of pallet cant logs to saw up here in a few days and I plan to see if I can dial it in. I still need to unwedge the upper end a bit. Weird thing to me is, is the frame really flexing a 1/8" and dropping. I mean it looks like it would be solid enough metal to hold itself up.
Quote from: Magicman on September 25, 2015, 08:48:51 AM
Just a reminder that if you get involved with any "plantation planted" Pine logs, expect much stress/tension and plan to turn them 180° after each board is removed. Those fast growing with ½" growth rings are misery.
I will definitely heed your advice Magicman! Are you attending the woodmizer show in quitman, Ms. tomorrow?
I wanted to, but the wife's blood pressure is whacko and I am staying close.
Sorry to hear that magician! Will keep her in my prayers. Hope all is well!
Quote from: Wallee on September 25, 2015, 11:30:54 PM
Sorry to hear that magician! Will keep her in my prayers. Hope all is well!
X2
Prayers for Pat from Linda and Pete
Got a custom ERC job this morning. Cut a few mantles and some 1" live edge stuff!
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good looking cedar looks pretty sound :) how milling working out for you so far?
Quote from: sandsawmill14 on September 28, 2015, 11:25:13 PM
good looking cedar looks pretty sound :) how milling working out for you so far?
Absolutely love it! Would love to develop a relationship with some reliable loggers! Been cutting all my own and milling what I can. I got a HUGE barn build coming up here in the near future so the mill will come in handy! I did get a few leads on some good loggers who cut a lot of hardwood today while out horseshoeing so maybe I will get some tie logs in soon!!!!!
Noticed when I was cutting that cedar the other day it was kinda cutting a bit wavy or rather not so smooth, if you look closely in the pics you can see what I am talking about. Usually I would say its probably a dull blade but surely that isnt the case because all that blade has cut is a single 15" dia, pine log.
maybe it will work out for you :)
it could very well be the blade i would try a different blade and see if that fixed it you can always put the blade back on later if it turns out not to be the problem
Quoteif you look closely in the pics you can see what I am talking about.
Wallee
Point out the pic that we should look closely at, just so we know which one for sure you mean.
You can dull a blade in one pass. Another way to tell is by looking at the teeth. A dull tooth will shine, or have a peened over corner. Sharp has a black line. That goes with anything from your pocket knife to your chainsaw.
If you're looking for a good logger, get on facebook and join logging and forestry community group (add me first, then I can add you in, its a closed group) another one you can join is eastern loggers, or loggers of the east. Alot of folks on there always posting throughout the day, I've gotten logs that way before I'm sure it could work for you.
Quote from: Wallee on September 29, 2015, 11:34:48 PMNoticed when I was cutting that cedar the other day it was kinda cutting a bit wavy or rather not so smooth,
You do not have a good closeup picture but what I am seeing is some tooth marks indicating that you have a tooth out of set on the blade. Notice that every time that tooth comes around it leaves an uneven mark and the distance apart is determined by your feed speed.
Quote from: Magicman on September 30, 2015, 09:16:30 AM
Quote from: Wallee on September 29, 2015, 11:34:48 PMNoticed when I was cutting that cedar the other day it was kinda cutting a bit wavy or rather not so smooth,
You do not have a good closeup picture but what I am seeing is some tooth marks indicating that you have a tooth out of set on the blade. Notice that every time that tooth comes around it leaves an uneven mark and the distance apart is determined by your feed speed.
This man here has a sharp eye! I noticed when I was running it, that I could change the spacing if I ran the saw head faster or slower. Experience is a great thing Magicman, and I appreciate you educating me!
Quote from: 4x4American on September 30, 2015, 09:00:31 AM
You can dull a blade in one pass. Another way to tell is by looking at the teeth. A dull tooth will shine, or have a peened over corner. Sharp has a black line. That goes with anything from your pocket knife to your chainsaw.
If you're looking for a good logger, get on facebook and join logging and forestry community group (add me first, then I can add you in, its a closed group) another one you can join is eastern loggers, or loggers of the east. Alot of folks on there always posting throughout the day, I've gotten logs that way before I'm sure it could work for you.
what's your name on fb? I will add you!
pm sent
Quote from: Magicman on September 30, 2015, 09:16:30 AM
Quote from: Wallee on September 29, 2015, 11:34:48 PMNoticed when I was cutting that cedar the other day it was kinda cutting a bit wavy or rather not so smooth,
You do not have a good closeup picture but what I am seeing is some tooth marks indicating that you have a tooth out of set on the blade. Notice that every time that tooth comes around it leaves an uneven mark and the distance apart is determined by your feed speed.
Agreed. That's not a wavy cut, that's a tooth issue.
So, here is the happenings around the mill this evening. I was having trouble with the way my dead deck was set up. It would fall as it was just sitting on top of some blocks. So I concreted in these today at 2' deep with 80# of quickcrete. Finishing them up tomorrow with some bolts and bracing!
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Then I finally tackled completely going through and leveling the mill out. After deck is back up tomorrow I hope to cut some and see if I have finally tamed this beast lol!!
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Progress!
You are on the right track.
looking good smiley_thumbsup
Quote from: WDH on October 01, 2015, 07:25:09 AM
You are on the right track.
Thanks guys, as far as the bed goes, it has never been more level! So I am hoping she will cut perfect!
She will.
Cut the biggest pine so far on the mill yesterday 27" on the but end. Not huge but big as I have cut on this little mill yet.
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Brought a load of wood into the mill today. Mostly pine, a few oak sticks and some hackberry I think??!! Someone fill me in on what those rough things are lol.
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QuoteSomeone fill me in on what those rough things are lol.
The rough things ?? Firewood prolly the wrong answer.. ;D ;D
Those rough bark ridges on some logs do look like they be hackberry.
Ha ha I thought so! They are 9" maybe 10" dia so maybe they will take it for pallet stock!
Actually, they are probably sugarberry. Practically indistinguishable from hackberry except for site and geographic location. The boards will warp just as bad, too :D. If this is your first time sawing hackberry/sugarberry, get ready for a stressful experience, as in stress in the log. Drying that stuff straight is even more stressful :).
Quote from: WDH on October 03, 2015, 08:12:50 PM
Actually, they are probably sugarberry. Practically indistinguishable from hackberry except for site and geographic location. The boards will warp just as bad, too :D. If this is your first time sawing hackberry/sugarberry, get ready for a stressful experience, as in stress in the log. Drying that stuff straight is even more stressful :).
Danny, My standing dead hackberry slabs and the ones from live logs that I let lay for 9-10 months are still drying very well: no cup, twist, or bowing. My best friends son just did all the woodwork in his new house with some of my spalted hackberry: stairs, countertops, etc. His builder really liked working with it. Oklahoma hackberry may just behave better than Georgia sugarberry:)
Quote from: WDH on October 03, 2015, 08:12:50 PM
Actually, they are probably sugarberry. Practically indistinguishable from hackberry except for site and geographic location. The boards will warp just as bad, too :D. If this is your first time sawing hackberry/sugarberry, get ready for a stressful experience, as in stress in the log. Drying that stuff straight is even more stressful :).
Ha ha oh no! Well I will say the persimmin I cut a while back was useless lol. It dried pretty wrecked.
Quote from: gfadvm on October 03, 2015, 08:36:53 PM
Oklahoma hackberry may just behave better than Georgia sugarberry:)
Andy,
I believe that you are right. Also, the smaller logs that I have sawn seem to be much worse than the large logs.
Smaller logs give the most misery regardless of the species. :-\
Quote from: WDH on October 04, 2015, 07:23:38 AM
Quote from: gfadvm on October 03, 2015, 08:36:53 PM
Oklahoma hackberry may just behave better than Georgia sugarberry:)
Andy,
I believe that you are right. Also, the smaller logs that I have sawn seem to be much worse than the large logs.
My hackberry is mostly in the 14-24" diameter range. The smaller stuff just doesn't seem to sell nearly as well so it becomes BTUs in the wood stove.
I'm hoping to get mine cut this week so we will see how it does! I got a lot more of it in the track I'm cutting.
With Hackberry, sweep the sawdust and sticker immediately to prevent discoloration.
Quote from: Magicman on October 04, 2015, 02:23:33 PM
With Hackberry, sweep the sawdust and sticker immediately to prevent discoloration.
Thanks magicman, will do! Mainly want the cants. Got to find a market for my side lumber!!!
Persimmon, pecan ( smiley_devil), hackberry, sycamore, and sweetgum will test ones drying mettle :).
How well/ easily does walnut dry? Friend of mine is taking down two big ones today he wants me to saw them into stuff for a table he's gonna build for his house. The table top will be 2" thick, 4x4s for uprights I think he's gonna whittle them into something fancy. Is anchorseal a must? I don't have any, he said he was gonna just slap some latex paint heavy on them, will that do much? If we saw them 2 weeks after he drops them is it less of a concern to coat the ends? How long do you figure it'll take to air dry the 2" tabletop pieces and the 4x4s?
Latex paint as an end sealer is not useless, just close. You need to buy some anchorseal for future use. 2" walnut will take at least 9 - 12 months to air dry here in Georgia, depending on the season. We get some air drying in the winter, you probably don't being glaciated, so it might take longer in the frozen, Great, White North.
Thanks. So how hard is walnut to tame when drying?
Does anchorseal have anything to do with sealing boat anchors and this just happens to be a good use for it?
Walnut is one of the nicest hardwoods to dry. Behaves very well if properly stickered.
awesome. thanks.
While we are on the drying topic, I'm getting ready to start cutting this pine for my 10 stall barn. So how long will it take for it to dry if stacked and stickered? Anyway to prevent blueing? Fill me in!
With this cooler weather, it should not mildew. Of course, it could already be blue, but that has no effect on the lumber's strength. Saw and sticker it now, and build in the Spring.
With a strong fan blowing on the stack , it will air dry in this nice Fall weather in 8 to 10 weeks.
Shoot I'd put it up green! Well at least I would with EWP not sure how SYP takes to going up green.
Quote from: 4x4American on October 07, 2015, 09:07:58 AM
Shoot I'd put it up green! Well at least I would with EWP not sure how SYP takes to going up green.
we built a small barn with loft out of syp 2x for framing it was sawn and dead stacked for about 2 weeks. other than being heavy we had no problems with twist or anything. never used it for siding so dont know how 1x would act green but not very well if in the sun would be my guess ???
Quote from: sandsawmill14 on October 07, 2015, 08:13:30 PM
Quote from: 4x4American on October 07, 2015, 09:07:58 AM
Shoot I'd put it up green! Well at least I would with EWP not sure how SYP takes to going up green.
we built a small barn with loft out of syp 2x for framing it was sawn and dead stacked for about 2 weeks. other than being heavy we had no problems with twist or anything. never used it for siding so dont know how 1x would act green but not very well if in the sun would be my guess ???
Well I am working with southern pine. I dont imagine it would do well on the 1x stuff in the sun. I think I am going to go with what WDH said here.
Quote from: WDH on October 06, 2015, 08:39:56 PM
With a strong fan blowing on the stack , it will air dry in this nice Fall weather in 8 to 10 weeks.
Now this method is in a coverd area I presume?
Quote from: Magicman on October 06, 2015, 05:18:19 PM
With this cooler weather, it should not mildew. Of course, it could already be blue, but that has no effect on the lumber's strength. Saw and sticker it now, and build in the Spring.
Going to start sawing some this weekend for it! It will be a few months before any major building goes on. I still got to tear down one old shed where it will then be erected after some dirt work!
I got a semi large order of cedar to cut this weekend. Got the wood for free off of a site I'm logging out. Owner asked if I wanted the cedar, I was like hmmm well I guess I could take it! Lol. So I got a order of 58 1/2x8x10' cedar boards to cut for a guy to redo his closet in cedar.
Here is the wood I will be carving said boards from.
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good looking logs :)
Pulled the biggest out of a pile where the property line was bull dozed prior to me coming in. Talk about a possible waste!
Clear cuts are where a great majority of the ERC that I saw comes from. My customer is a logger.
Property line or corner trees may have nails or fence staples. :o
Quote from: Magicman on October 24, 2015, 08:27:05 AM
Clear cuts are where a great majority of the ERC that I saw comes from. My customer is a logger.
Property line or corner trees may have nails or fence staples. :o
I hate metal in trees! ah ah I will check these over now that you mention that!
Pretty ERC!!! Wish I could get some...biggest one I've had was 7" on the fat butt end...a real monster!!!
Quote from: bkaimwood on October 25, 2015, 06:57:49 AM
Pretty ERC!!! Wish I could get some...biggest one I've had was 7" on the fat butt end...a real monster!!!
I been lucky then, I have had the pleasure of cutting several 18" and up!
Does this seem normal? Am I looking for perfection and that's not real?
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Wallee ,so far it seems that you have checked everything others have suggested.Be sure after each pass that you check under the cant for it lifting ,on the ends or in the middle.Tension in the cant will do this every time.If you see this flip and trim like mm said.al
I'm willing to bet it's tension in the cant. Ruff sawn lumber isn't perfect either keep in mind. That's why they made planers and jointers
4x4 that's what I was thinking but I will tell you this I was experimenting with this can't and I flipped it like every few cuts and still ended up like this.
The start of my order of cedar. Finishing up today, delivering it Wednesday!
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In my experience, it would be very unusual for ERC to show signs of stress, but you are sawing fresh felled, which I normally do not saw.
Quote from: Magicman on October 26, 2015, 11:24:28 AM
In my experience, it would be very unusual for ERC to show signs of stress, but you are sawing fresh felled, which I normally do not saw.
Magicman what's your thoughts on those tape measurements?
I have done much head scratching on this one. First, you have assured us that you have a firm foundation. If you measure the exact same from the blade to each of the bed rails (bunks) and the cant is resting firmly on each of the bed rails, then it has to saw uniformly. If the cant ends or center lift up off of the bed rails, then that portion of the cant will be thinner.
It is hard for me to imagine that every board off of every cant is thinner in the center. Would that mean both width and thickness?
For all practical purposes, your lumber is OK, but it still is a mystery if this measurement is consistent. The problem is elusive but the answer will be very simple. It's like finding something that is lost. It's always in the last place that we look. :)
Spongy ground that sinks with the weight of the head?
Quote from: Magicman on October 26, 2015, 02:11:16 PM
I have done much head scratching on this one. First, you have assured us that you have a firm foundation. If you measure the exact same from the blade to each of the bed rails (bunks) and the cant is resting firmly on each of the bed rails, then it has to saw uniformly. If the cant ends or center lift up off of the bed rails, then that portion of the cant will be thinner.
It is hard for me to imagine that every board off of every cant is thinner in the center. Would that mean both width and thickness?
For all practical purposes, your lumber is OK, but it still is a mystery if this measurement is consistent. The problem is elusive but the answer will be very simple. It's like finding something that is lost. It's always in the last place that we look. :)
Turned out a good bit of lumber today for the cedar order. Going to go through it all and measure it to see where we stand. Woodmizer officials are swearing its tension.
Last cant of the day was out at a most in the center of 1/4 inch. I am going to call woodmizer one more time tomorrow and explain to them it isn't stress in the logs. You know for a company who prides itself in after sale support, I haven't had a single person really tell me anything. I am at a loss on what it could be. I would be absolutely glad if someone out there in this world could just see the problem and make me feel like a complete idiot, cause at this point I don't care I just want it fixed!
Recheck your center bunks. Use a pen lazar. Myself, now and then I do get a cant that will rise in the center or one of the ends that will throw everything off somewhat. Always cutting fresh fell logs. I see this more on oak then any other logs.
What kind of soil do you have below the mill? How did you set up the dunnage on the ground for the mill?
Quote from: 4x4American on October 28, 2015, 08:09:03 AM
What kind of soil do you have below the mill? How did you set up the dunnage on the ground for the mill?
ground is seemingly solid. It's been shed covered and walked on 20+ years. I wouldn't think it was the ground. And honestly I have scotched up the center before with wedges, in my head keeping it from sinking to no avail anyways.
Yea, I wouldn't think so either. Long as you didn't dig out for the dunnage and then go too deep and backfill a little bit. If you just set it on virgin earth should be fine. So you're making hourglass shaped cants?
Quote from: 4x4American on October 28, 2015, 11:10:04 AM
Yea, I wouldn't think so either. Long as you didn't dig out for the dunnage and then go too deep and backfill a little bit. If you just set it on virgin earth should be fine. So you're making hourglass shaped cants?
yep up to 1/4" out. Same thing every cant so I know something is off somewhere
Talked to the woodmizer location in which I bought my mill. He gave me a idea and I think I might have found it. Time will tell! Soon to try this out!
I kinda wish you would have shared what the ideal was. Even if it doesn't work for you, it might help me.
Thanks
gww
Curious to hear also. Let us know how it works out, I know you will anyways!
maybe take a straight true cant lay it on the deck drop down from the top one inch make a bold pencil mark on the cant right where yore sawblade is to run the maybe with someone running the saw and watching the blade and the pencil mark might give you an idea as to what is happening just a thought I had might b worth a shot
Quote from: 4x4American on October 28, 2015, 10:36:42 PM
Curious to hear also. Let us know how it works out, I know you will anyways!
Ha ha indeed I will! What I actually did was get a string out, laid it down on the actual frame down the side, not the center bunks this time. Found that right where I was having the dip, I had a dip in the bed to the string. Grabbed a wedge and drove it in, and watched as the bed rose to the string. Pulled the string down the other side and it was correct. Now to just fire her up and see what we have. :D everyone cross your fingers!
Fingers crossed :)
No milling just yet but on a side note here is a picture of a table I built for my wife and me a new computer desk! Figured some of you might like to see what some of the side cuts have went on to. Been logging a good bit should be back to the mill this weekend!
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Good job feller
That is neat, and thanks for the pictures showing the building progress. Doesn't it make you feel proud to run your hands across it knowing that you took if from to tree to desk. smiley_thumbsup
Quote from: Magicman on November 06, 2015, 08:13:23 AM
That is neat, and thanks for the pictures showing the building progress. Doesn't it make you feel proud to run your hands across it knowing that you took if from to tree to desk. smiley_thumbsup
Absolutely the best feeling ever!!! Pretty nice feeling my wrist has as I am typing this message 8)
Alright I got some pine on the deck to be sawed! IF you look real close you can see a new barn in those logs 8)
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Pretty nice hoss of a pine here.
Here is the spot where I burned the old barn and cleaned up for new construction!
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Ok I can't help myself. Got to know about the log truck. Just from the outside I'm guessing 65-66 c70. Just a tag axle haven't seen many tandems? I wish my 51 looked that nice.
Quote from: bigred1951 on November 10, 2015, 09:57:46 PM
Ok I can't help myself. Got to know about the log truck. Just from the outside I'm guessing 65-66 c70. Just a tag axle haven't seen many tandems? I wish my 51 looked that nice.
1966 c60 inline 6 292. 1 set of drag axles. Been a beast for the past 25 years. My Grandfather built the log bed at his shop with nothing but a torch and welder. Sadly after tons of work into the brakes and too much searching for parts, I have decided to get a newer International 4700 to convert and put my grandfathers bed on.
Sadly my 51 sits more then it's used. Seemed like if it sat for any amount of time you would have to redo the brakes. I spent almost $800 a few years ago to recore the radiator
Nice logs, I could be wrong but it looks like the bolts on the log deck are waiting to eat some ones shin. I think I do see a barn.
Tim
Quote from: TimGA on November 11, 2015, 03:15:13 PM
Nice logs, I could be wrong but it looks like the bolts on the log deck are waiting to eat some ones shin. I think I do see a barn.
Tim
Ha ha they are not as long as they appear! but still might could snag ya!
Started the tall order of my barn cutting today. Got the pad smoothed out with the dozer and am getting anxious to begin construction. Check out what this toad of a pine log produced, 1 log.
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Also while I had my hands on the dozer I made my log yard a little bigger lol.... Where the logs are sitting in the distance use to be the wood line :D
I think I added a whole acre and a half.
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Looks like you are staying busy. Good job.
gww
Hi wallee...Another thought on your thick/thin problem. In one of your above pics, your movable guide is not tight to the cant. The further apart they are, the lower the beam strength of the blade. this can can cause the blade to either rise or drop in the cut under certain situations. Always have those guides up tight to the cant. on a manual mill, this may take a little extra time, but it eliminates or at least minimizes the trouble you've been seeing.
BTW...those are some awful nice logs you've got there. :)
Quote from: 5quarter on November 12, 2015, 09:24:37 AM
Hi wallee...Another thought on your thick/thin problem. In one of your above pics, your movable guide is not tight to the cant. The further apart they are, the lower the beam strength of the blade. this can can cause the blade to either rise or drop in the cut under certain situations. Always have those guides up tight to the cant. on a manual mill, this may take a little extra time, but it eliminates or at least minimizes the trouble you've been seeing.
BTW...those are some awful nice logs you've got there. :)
Thanks for the tip there! I will try and see if that helps! Yeah these logs are turning out some pretty lumber!
I passed close to you going and returning from the wwsjr project, but no time to stop. Maybe next time.
Quote from: Magicman on November 14, 2015, 11:17:08 AM
I passed close to you going and returning from the wwsjr project, but no time to stop. Maybe next time.
Stop in next time!!! I would have loved to shown you around the mill and got some experienced advice!
I'm glad I found your thread! It's nice to see yet another member somewhat close and you have TONS of pictures which is helping me out tremendously. Keep the pictures coming/updates coming!
Quote from: dukecrazy on November 17, 2015, 09:52:29 AM
I'm glad I found your thread! It's nice to see yet another member somewhat close and you have TONS of pictures which is helping me out tremendously. Keep the pictures coming/updates coming!
I will definitely do that! I am glad my thread is helping someone out! I very much enjoy picture and videos! I will be doing a lot more videos in the near future. Everyone can check out my youtube page as well, as I will be adding more and more videos there in the near future. Got a lot of new toys coming and will update soon! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCENzErnhubwrFNwXbN2J88A
Been working a good bit at the mill the past 2 days!
One returning customer getting a load of wood for his house!
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Here is what we a currently cutting, some tie logs! All on the small side but make for quick ties. Most of these will be 6x8.
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Now in this photo below, you can see to the left of the end of the mill closest to the camera operator just to the left of the mill I plan to add 2 sections of roller conveyors here to push my ties and timbers off the mill onto to make it easier to roll them down and out of the mill to be stacked.
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Here is a nice little 6x8!
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And the side cut lumber stack is piling up, what to do with all this random 4/4 stuff.....
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Annnndd for those wondering on how the cutting for the new barn is coming, I think I have most of my rafters sawed. Now to move onto sawing some 4x6 pine timbers.
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Took this one just as I was leaving the mill this evening. This little setup sure makes me smile. I just know my grandpa is smiling down on me following in his footsteps. ;D
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I like your progress. I often think of my Granddad when I am sawing.
Looks awesome, I can see you're still pretty wet from the little storm we had a couple days ago.
;D 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) :snowball:
I really like seeing pictures.
Thanks
gww
Quote from: dukecrazy on November 20, 2015, 10:17:44 AM
Looks awesome, I can see you're still pretty wet from the little storm we had a couple days ago.
For sure on the wetness! I think we got a couple of inches. Good thing I had 4 truck loads of clay gravel dumped around the mill access road 2 days before. If not I would have had to be in some real wet situations. I would settle for a drought after these past few weeks.
Quote from: gww on November 20, 2015, 11:50:30 AM
I really like seeing pictures.
Thanks
gww
I will keep them coming!
Quote from: Magicman on November 20, 2015, 08:17:54 AM
I like your progress. I often think of my Granddad when I am sawing.
I do anytime I am around anything that has to do with trees. I honestly think that man bled sawdust lol. He was hooked on cutting trees and sawing them. He loved more than anything to build houses out of his lumber. He bought a track of timber, cut it, built my dad and mom their house, and sold the rest of the lumber from that track to pay for the entire track. He built the house lumber wise, for free. He use to stand back and look at the 2 story house that he built for us, and tap me or whoever might have been over visiting (he had millions of friends) and would say "just look at it, I wish I could build just one more and I would do this or that different" he was infatuated with carpentry. If I could one day say that I had 1/4 of his knowledge of the wood industry, I would feel as if I had made it. He was a big inspiration in my life and by far the most humble and honest person to probably ever walk this part of Mississippi.
I'm so glad everything is working out for you. Your operation looks a lot like mine and there's not anything better than at the end of the day setting around with my son talking about how the day went and what we're going to do tomorrow and teaching him everything I possibly can while We're working together
Your Granddad was a special man, for sure.
Quote from: WDH on November 22, 2015, 07:43:35 AM
Your Granddad was a special man, for sure.
Thanks! I sure miss his instruction from time to time :D
So here is what I have been up to this past week. Just finished building this international log truck to replace the old 66. Also I added in some new support equipment!
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Me and my buddy had to do some modifications to the forks to get them on the Massey, should be finished welding tomorrow!
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Looking good. Just keep trucking.
gww
Got the tractor in use already!
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Just curious, those front tractor tires seem kinda small?
Quote from: Magicman on November 30, 2015, 08:13:53 AM
Just curious, those front tractor tires seem kinda small?
Exactly what I was thinking Magicman. Dont know why because thats the factory setup.
Having good support equipment sure does make things go more smoothly. 8)
Question on the truck though, why the tag axle? Is it to meet axle weight requirements on the roads? When I got my C60 the first thing we did was cut the tag axle off an return it to a single axle. In the woods and around the farm it gets stuck a lot less without the tag axle.
Keep the pics coming we all enjoy them.
Quote from: Verticaltrx on December 01, 2015, 07:26:09 PM
Having good support equipment sure does make things go more smoothly. 8)
Question on the truck though, why the tag axle? Is it to meet axle weight requirements on the roads? When I got my C60 the first thing we did was cut the tag axle off an return it to a single axle. In the woods and around the farm it gets stuck a lot less without the tag axle.
Keep the pics coming we all enjoy them.
For weight requirements on the road. That load pictured scaled out to 10.2 tons 8)
There's a deal nearby with a Chevy C60 gasjob 350 motor, its going for a good price. I am thinkin about getting it to haul dirt, logs, and firewood. What made you retire yours?
Quote from: 4x4American on December 02, 2015, 07:06:28 AM
There's a deal nearby with a Chevy C60 gasjob 350 motor, its going for a good price. I am thinkin about getting it to haul dirt, logs, and firewood. What made you retire yours?
Absolute pain in the but to keep the brakes stopping well. Wheel cylinders on the rear are 200+ apiece as well. I mostly just wanted something more reliable.
Quote from: Wallee on December 02, 2015, 12:41:48 AM
For weight requirements on the road. That load pictured scaled out to 10.2 tons 8)
I see, 10 tons is getting up there. I've had that much on mine before but 8-9 tons is more comfortable, that said mine has farm tags and therefore no weight restrictions.
Quote from: 4x4American on December 02, 2015, 07:06:28 AM
There's a deal nearby with a Chevy C60 gasjob 350 motor, its going for a good price. I am thinkin about getting it to haul dirt, logs, and firewood. What made you retire yours?
I can say that the newer ('73 and up) C60's are easier and cheaper to find parts for. Carquest, NAPA, and Oriely's can get most parts if you have the P/N. I redid my rear wheel cylinders a year ago, and they were about $10 each, rebuild kit for $5, and master cylinder was $80. Mine is a '75 C60 with a 350, 4spd and 2spd rear, 14' dump bed with a twin cylinder hoist. It's a huge asset around the farm and sawmill.
Thanks for your guys' inputs, sure does help!
Quote from: 4x4American on December 02, 2015, 07:30:23 PM
Thanks for your guys' inputs, sure does help!
Np at all!
Quote from: Verticaltrx on December 02, 2015, 05:43:57 PM
Quote from: Wallee on December 02, 2015, 12:41:48 AM
For weight requirements on the road. That load pictured scaled out to 10.2 tons 8)
I see, 10 tons is getting up there. I've had that much on mine before but 8-9 tons is more comfortable, that said mine has farm tags and therefore no weight restrictions.
Quote from: 4x4American on December 02, 2015, 07:06:28 AM
There's a deal nearby with a Chevy C60 gasjob 350 motor, its going for a good price. I am thinkin about getting it to haul dirt, logs, and firewood. What made you retire yours?
I can say that the newer ('73 and up) C60's are easier and cheaper to find parts for. Carquest, NAPA, and Oriely's can get most parts if you have the P/N. I redid my rear wheel cylinders a year ago, and they were about $10 each, rebuild kit for $5, and master cylinder was $80. Mine is a '75 C60 with a 350, 4spd and 2spd rear, 14' dump bed with a twin cylinder hoist. It's a huge asset around the farm and sawmill.
I actually am getting a farm tag on my truck as well. We can get a farm 40k here in ms.
i have a 78 c65 that i had a 56000 farm tag on (that what it is here) but a little over 53000 is all i could ever get on it according to scales at hankins pulp yard though ;D
Quote from: sandsawmill14 on December 03, 2015, 12:14:16 AM
i have a 78 c65 that i had a 56000 farm tag on (that what it is here) but a little over 53000 is all i could ever get on it according to scales at hankins pulp yard though ;D
Ha ha the more the merrier! :D
I try and get a good load to make it worth the drive each time.
Check out the brand new paint
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Cant wait to put it to use tomorrow!
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i never had a winch but that one looks good to me smiley_thumbsup
:) Looks like a bit more than "paint" to me. smiley_thumbsup
Quote from: Magicman on December 05, 2015, 09:04:03 AM
:) Looks like a bit more than "paint" to me. smiley_thumbsup
Ha ha indeed it is more!
Well I scored some big pine on a little urban logging. Old growth, tight rings, I can't wait to make siding out of this stuff!
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Speaking of paint, with logs like that you will soon wear the paint off of that LT15. ;D
Quote from: Magicman on December 07, 2015, 10:54:59 PM
Speaking of paint, with logs like that you will soon wear the paint off of that LT15. ;D
Lol Magicman, I am pretty sure I have already cut several thousand feet on that lt15. If the good lord sees fit in the future I would love to upgrade to at least a lt40. The lt15 does the job though! I am saving those pretty logs for all siding for the barn. And I have something big in store for that Lt15 here in the next year. I hope to use it to build a new house and get out from under the mortgage monster ;D
Those logs are very elliptical. ;D 8) 8) 8) :snowball: :snowball: :snowball:
Very nice looking load on your new logging truck.
Do you have an idea of the net weight of that load is.
Have really enjoyed your thread and thank you for posting for us.
I am in an area where it is all large logging operations and I think there is a
big niche for what you are setting up.
Quote from: garre1tt on December 08, 2015, 12:36:18 PM
Very nice looking load on your new logging truck.
Do you have an idea of the net weight of that load is.
Have really enjoyed your thread and thank you for posting for us.
I am in an area where it is all large logging operations and I think there is a
big niche for what you are setting up.
Thanks for reading through! Man you would be surprised, when people found out I was doing small acreage logging... my phone exploded :D
Tons of people in my area were being turned down by the big timers and also some people are just wanting their little 2 acre patch clear cut for pasture or yard, I love those jobs because its free wood. I go in those and haul all the hardwood to my sawmill and all the pulp wood and trash to the log yard and sell it off. I got 2 jobs coming up where I will be getting 50+ tie logs out of small patches around these peoples 2 acres, all massive hardwood. Be on the lookout and I will definitely post up some pics of those jobs. I was at the log yard today and the man who works there asked me about cutting and selling him a couple thousand feet of pine 1x6 siding for his porch he is working on. Hope he goes through with it!
Just sat here and read all 10 pages of this thread and enjoyed it muchly. Subscribed to your YouTube channel and am looking forward to seeing more. Keep up the good work!
Darrel
Quote from: Darrel on December 08, 2015, 11:56:13 PM
Just sat here and read all 10 pages of this thread and enjoyed it muchly. Subscribed to your YouTube channel and am looking forward to seeing more. Keep up the good work!
Darrel
Thanks I appreciate it so much! Will keep all you guys posted in my journey!
Quote from: Wallee on December 08, 2015, 08:50:09 PM
Quote from: garre1tt on December 08, 2015, 12:36:18 PM
Very nice looking load on your new logging truck.
Do you have an idea of the net weight of that load is.
Have really enjoyed your thread and thank you for posting for us.
I am in an area where it is all large logging operations and I think there is a
big niche for what you are setting up.
Thanks for reading through! Man you would be surprised, when people found out I was doing small acreage logging... my phone exploded :D
Tons of people in my area were being turned down by the big timers and also some people are just wanting their little 2 acre patch clear cut for pasture or yard, I love those jobs because its free wood. I go in those and haul all the hardwood to my sawmill and all the pulp wood and trash to the log yard and sell it off. I got 2 jobs coming up where I will be getting 50+ tie logs out of small patches around these peoples 2 acres, all massive hardwood. Be on the lookout and I will definitely post up some pics of those jobs. I was at the log yard today and the man who works there asked me about cutting and selling him a couple thousand feet of pine 1x6 siding for his porch he is working on. Hope he goes through with it!
When I first bought my property several years ago it had sat unused for over 20years and had grown up quite a lot. I called around to different loggers asking them if they wanted to come clear the land for me for no charge and every single one of them told me they would have to clear all 15acres of mine for it to be worth there while. I turned every single one of them down bc I didn't want all my acreage cleared only about 5acres worth. Had there been people like you around my area I would've called you in a heartbeat! However, it worked out for me bc now I'm getting into cutting my own lumber from my property which may not have happened had I brought someone in to do clearing for me. Great idea on the small acreage farming! Maybe one day I might get the equipment to do that around my area :)
Log yard is growing quite a bit this week 8)
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Also here is a pic of that new skidding winch earning its keep
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And for those interested here is a new video kind of showing a overview of the logging process.
https://youtu.be/asA9aX_1-fQ
Also got a very good call today. Looks like 2500 bf of that pine pictured above will be turned into 1x12x10 siding with 1x4x10 battons. Biggest order yet!
Good job. smiley_thumbsup
Nice little operation you've got there.
I love to see a plan come together.
Quote from: Darrel on December 10, 2015, 09:28:38 PM
Nice little operation you've got there.
Thanks! Im pretty proud of it.
Quote from: Magicman on December 10, 2015, 09:43:25 PM
I love to see a plan come together.
You and me both brother! I will have some pics of that big stack of 1x12's here soon!
I have asked this before in threads but from a couple people on here I want a simple yes of no to the question I am about to ask. Is 1/8 out acceptable, in various places throughout a cant? Yes or no?
Who do you want the answer from?
Will any two be sufficient ?
Quote from: Wallee on December 12, 2015, 02:05:48 PM
I have asked this before in threads but from a couple people on here I want a simple yes of no to the question I am about to ask. Is 1/8 out acceptable, in various places throughout a cant? Yes or no?
I can't speak for others, but on my mill no. That being said, you need to understand that a perfect cant or timber is not always possible. When a log is cut, internal stress is relieved and things move, e.g. the can't, board, or slab. When cutting large timbers, I have had them move as much as 1/2 inch. Is that acceptable? No. Do I have any control over it? Not much.
So if I'm 1/8" off and the mill is the cause, I will fix it every time. My mill only cuts perfectly because I make sure that it is adjusted and or tuned perfectly. Is all the lumber coming off my mill perfect? No, because the logs going on my mill are not perfect.
So I deal with it.
I say yes.... It's rough cut not finished...
yes 1/8 is fine :)
Ha ha ok I was just making sure. I'm a chronic overthinker when it comes to these things. I just want to produce the best I can!
If anyone bothers you about it, it's rough sawn lumber, they make planers for a reason, but X2 to what Darrell said.
If I off by 1/8, I am looking for the cause. I plane thousands of BF of lumber. Variations of 1/8" in pile of boards makes it difficult to plane if some are on dimension and some are fat by 1/8". The fat ones can bog my planer down if the boards are wide. If you got a really big planer, it probably does not matter as much.
I want to refine my answer. If it's off 1/8" all the time I would look for the problem.
If it's only every so often I would no worry about it.
Quote from: Kbeitz on December 13, 2015, 01:13:38 PM
I want to refine my answer. If it's off 1/8" all the time I would look for the problem.
If it's only every so often I would no worry about it.
I am cutting a 2500 bf order of 1x12s and I am going to measure the boards at random and see what we got.
Some pics of the siding order!
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Looking good!! I wanted to mention, I was reading the latest issue of sawmill
and woodlot and they covered the portable sawmill shootout in ohio. What I noticed was, the WM LT 15 sawed at a rate of 897 bdft/hr and the LT70 super sawed at 1231 bdft/hr. That's not too much of a differnce between WM's second smallest mill and their largest portable unit. Granted they both had edgers behind them. I thought you might find that interesting.
Nicely prepared lumber.
On my LT15, I averaged a little over 100 BF per hour. After adding the powerfeed and edger, production went up 50%.
Yea, I'm sure that WM used every trick up their sleeve but still, I thought it was interesting.
Quote from: WDH on December 15, 2015, 07:30:20 AM
Nicely prepared lumber.
On my LT15, I averaged a little over 100 BF per hour. After adding the powerfeed and edger, production went up 50%.
Thank you! I'm averaging about 150+BF a hour on nice pine. It cuts like butter compared to my tie logs. This old growth siding is turning out fantastic looking. 1000 BF left to cut today and tonight so I got to get after it lol!
Quote from: 4x4American on December 15, 2015, 07:52:36 AM
Yea, I'm sure that WM used every trick up their sleeve but still, I thought it was interesting.
That is super neat! I plan to get a edger really soon. I highly dislike edging on the mill. I came from my grandfathers old mill with a 3 blade edger to no edger. I'm considering buying the wm single balde edger for my first edger.
That's some beautiful pine. There's nothing prettier than lumber right off the mill!
Quote from: Darrel on December 15, 2015, 12:43:40 PM
That's some beautiful pine. There's nothing prettier than lumber right off the mill!
Honestly it's some of the best I have ever cut/seen. Saving some of these logs for personal use for sure! I got a barn and house to build! Barn first unfortunately lol
The grain in the old growth pine is spectacular.
Man that's some pretty lumber and I'm tickled to death that everything is working out for you
1/8 out NO
Quote from: Peter Drouin on December 16, 2015, 06:18:23 AM
1/8 out NO
checked some of my lumber and most of it was pretty much on. I think I am overthinking the trueness of rough cut because I mean it's not s2s. The guy checked everything over and was super happy with his order so I'm in the good for now. Still learning everyday.
Here is a pic as the 2500 BF order left out.
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That was a work out lol
Quote from: East ky logging on December 15, 2015, 08:53:26 PM
Man that's some pretty lumber and I'm tickled to death that everything is working out for you
thanks! Yeah we have been blessed this first few months. Word is spreading about the mill and calls coming in. I need a few more 2500 BF orders! Was a lot of work but payday was well worth it. Still learning the milling curve. Figuring out my mill has been fun. Sometimes frustrating lol. I had it dive once today in a pretty straight cant, and my diagnosis was to tighten the blade ever so much, like a 1/2" turn if that much and it went back to doing right. I did have a board or two that was slightly thicker on a end or what not, my guess was maybe that was stress?!
Wallee
Taking your pics with the volume button down doesn't work with your iphone? They show up sideways, just FYI.
How do you keep your truck from falling off that cliff. ;D :snowball: :snowball: :snowball:
Quote from: beenthere on December 17, 2015, 01:36:30 AM
Wallee
Taking your pics with the volume button down doesn't work with your iphone? They show up sideways, just FYI.
Huh? They appear in the correct orientation to me on my phone.
Quote from: mesquite buckeye on December 17, 2015, 10:00:47 AM
How do you keep your truck from falling off that cliff. ;D :snowball: :snowball: :snowball:
What cliff? Lol
QuoteHuh? They appear in the correct orientation to me on my phone.
Look at your above Reply #224 from your PC and then you will know. ;D
They are straight from my phone too
:D
We can tell...
Quote from: Magicman on December 17, 2015, 07:46:05 PM
QuoteHuh? They appear in the correct orientation to me on my phone.
Look at your above Reply #224 from your PC and then you will know. ;D
I noticed some are wrong from pc to phone? Why
Wallee
Here is a clue, and a fix when taking pics.
http://iphonephotographyschool.com/iphone-photos-upside-down/
Tis why I asked the question in post 226 ;)
You can fix them by going to your gallery (might need to be in a PC) and clicking the pic, then clicking on the "Crop and rotate" button underneath it. Rotate them and click "save". They will be correct but you may have to re-paste them in your modified post.
It wasn't too long ago that they were wondering how the logs stayed on my mill, it was the same exact thing.
Well the father in law to the 2500bf order just called in a 4000bf order! Time to fire up the ole lt15 after Christmas!! Really excited about staying busy, lt15 is trying to pay itself off early!
Yup, you will be cruising the For Sale board. ;D
Quote from: Magicman on December 23, 2015, 07:15:40 PM
Yup, you will be cruising the For Sale board. ;D
Ha ha I am dying for a upgrade now! I would love some hydraulics. Question I have is, would an lt35hd be a big enough upgrade? How much faster is the lt35 vs. the lt15 on cut speed? Theses are pretty important questions to me because the lt15 is not a problem in the sense of hydraulics.... I have 2 good helpers who are always with me when sawing. The slowest portion for me is mill head speed, once I have a cant to spec, it would definitely be nicer to be able to push the mill head faster thus increasing my production. Now hydraulics would be very nice because I would be able to probably saw faster without having to stop other and coordinate them with the cant hooks and what not. plus the hyd clamp would be awesome!
Set it up with the power feed. That will increase your cutting speed.
I believe that the LT35 has a smaller throat diameter than the LT40.
I understand the logs that you get and will potentially get. The LT35 has to be a good sawmill, personally I would skip over it. I would set my sights on the LT40 SuperHydraulic.
With my manual mill the time that the blade is actually in the wood cutting is short compared to the stopped time loading, turning and positioning the logs or cants.
Quote from: WDH on December 24, 2015, 08:01:45 AM
Set it up with the power feed. That will increase your cutting speed.
I believe that the LT35 has a smaller throat diameter than the LT40.
I have the power feed option. Its nice, would have the lt15 without it. However it would be better if woodmizer would have went with a chain rather than a rope. It tends to need adjustment from time to time. Less lately after most of the stretch has came out of the rope. Still I think it would have been better if they would have used the set up like the simpleset works and chain system used on the lt35 manual. Now lets talk hp, how much more cutting speed is offer by say going with the upgraded engine options with wm mills. Like for example would anything have been gained in cutting speed by going with the 16.8 diesel engine over the 19hp gas on the lt15?
The way your sawing business is growing plus the potential for further growth, I would hate to see you have to upgrade a second time. I regularly get calls from the Starkville area. Matter of fact, I have one scheduled there for after the first of the year.
Quote from: Magicman on December 24, 2015, 11:37:38 AM
The way your sawing business is growing plus the potential for further growth, I would hate to see you have to upgrade a second time. I regularly get calls from the Starkville area. Matter of fact, I have one scheduled there for after the first of the year.
that is very true! I'm just scared to get in over my head in debt ya know?
Quote from: Magicman on December 24, 2015, 08:56:53 AM
I understand the logs that you get and will potentially get. The LT35 has to be a good sawmill, personally I would skip over it. I would set my sights on the LT40 SuperHydraulic.
Quote from: Magicman on December 24, 2015, 11:37:38 AM
The way your sawing business is growing plus the potential for further growth, I would hate to see you have to upgrade a second time. I regularly get calls from the Starkville area. Matter of fact, I have one scheduled there for after the first of the year.
lot of knowledge and wisdom there. :) if I remember correctly another member he advised to use their current mill to pay for the new one. If the jobs line up enough you will be able to upgrade in a short time.
There's a diesel 40super for sale in the for sale section up in spooner wisconsin, asking price is like $14k or something. Seems like a good deal.
Quote from: plowboyswr on December 24, 2015, 02:09:13 PM
Quote from: Magicman on December 24, 2015, 08:56:53 AM
I understand the logs that you get and will potentially get. The LT35 has to be a good sawmill, personally I would skip over it. I would set my sights on the LT40 SuperHydraulic.
Quote from: Magicman on December 24, 2015, 11:37:38 AM
The way your sawing business is growing plus the potential for further growth, I would hate to see you have to upgrade a second time. I regularly get calls from the Starkville area. Matter of fact, I have one scheduled there for after the first of the year.
lot of knowledge and wisdom there. :) if I remember correctly another member he advised to use their current mill to pay for the new one. If the jobs line up enough you will be able to upgrade in a short time.
What are the perks of a 40 over a 35?
LINK (http://woodmizer.com/us/Portals/0/pdfs/hydraulicSpecs.pdf) Four more inches of log diameter, and a much larger engine option. Of course you start tacking on the $$$ with the options, but bells and whistles do much more than make noise. I would seriously shop for a used sawmill, but I realize that few are available. They also hold their value quite well. I would be very hesitant to sell mine for what I paid for it used 14 years ago.
There are two LT40 SuperHydraulic mills listed in the For Sale Board, and you could also look at Forum Sponsor "Sawmill Exchange".
Maybe I'm crazy, but I don't think you'd see much improvement in productivity with an LT35 w/ 16.8 diesel vs your current setup. FYI, the cutting head is basically the same on the LT15/LT28/LT35, only difference is the bed and the options. If you plan on staying stationary I think the LT15 is a fine mill for an operation like yours.
I'd look at the way your operation/layout is setup to increase productivity before spending more money on a larger mill, especially if you aren't paying cash for your upgrade. Now that
I have power feed on my mill and can easily average 250bf/hr, by myself, including stacking and stickering. With a good helper, good logs, and a few more improvements to my mill area layout I think I could do over 300bf/hr pretty easy. That's sawing a mix of framing lumber and 1" siding, generally between 10-16' long. Lest we forget that the LT15 is capable of huge production numbers (IIRC it was close to 900bf/hr with an edger at the latest sawmill shootout), but it does take an extremely efficient layout, operator, and helper(s).
Quote from: Verticaltrx on December 25, 2015, 10:18:32 AM
Maybe I'm crazy, but I don't think you'd see much improvement in productivity with an LT35 w/ 16.8 diesel vs your current setup. FYI, the cutting head is basically the same on the LT15/LT28/LT35, only difference is the bed and the options. If you plan on staying stationary I think the LT15 is a fine mill for an operation like yours.
I'd look at the way your operation/layout is setup to increase productivity before spending more money on a larger mill, especially if you aren't paying cash for your upgrade. Now that
I have power feed on my mill and can easily average 250bf/hr, by myself, including stacking and stickering. With a good helper, good logs, and a few more improvements to my mill area layout I think I could do over 300bf/hr pretty easy. That's sawing a mix of framing lumber and 1" siding, generally between 10-16' long. Lest we forget that the LT15 is capable of huge production numbers (IIRC it was close to 900bf/hr with an edger at the latest sawmill shootout), but it does take an extremely efficient layout, operator, and helper(s).
I think by paying cash and adding a edger I could up the production quite a bit. However the turning capabilities of the lt35hd and the roller toe boards for taking cants off the mill would be quite nice.
Yes they would and I was astounded by the increased productivity that an edger provides. Remember that there is an edger listed in the For Sale board. ;D
Quote from: Magicman on December 25, 2015, 04:26:28 PM
Yes they would and I was astounded by the increased productivity that an edger provides. Remember that there is an edger listed in the For Sale board. ;D
Going to check that out!
An edger will increase production but if you are cutting very much hardwood it will also increase yield.
Quote from: customsawyer on December 26, 2015, 07:49:04 AM
An edger will increase production but if you are cutting very much hardwood it will also increase yield.
In what way? Being able to salvage more per log?
When you edge on the mill, it is much harder to get the board on the mill at just the right angle, and if you are edging a bunch of boards together, you kind of just get what you get. With an edger, you can send the board through so you get the maximum width that the board will allow, and you set the edger for best yield. Softwoods I cut in even inch widths, as it is very often used without further processing, like siding or sheathing. Hardwoods, you take the maximum width you can get without getting too much wane. All those extra 1/4 or 1/2 inches add up when scaling. I like to stock pile all of my edger boards, then fire up the edger at the end of the sawing session. If you have a tail man, you can edge a lot of lumber in 20 minutes.
I've never seen an edger work in person. Can one cut out perfectly straight framing lumber, say a 16 foot 2x6 out of a 16 foot 2" flitch? Seems to me there would have to be a long fence inside the edger to do this? :P :P :P
If it's feeding correctly, it will cut very straight lumber. On my WM ED26, there is an infeed fence to start one edged lumber. Once the feed rolls grab it, it will feed straight. If you are using both blades, then you just eyeball it so it goes through where you want it. The bigger issues is, will the board stay straight when it dries.
Quote from: Dave Shepard on December 26, 2015, 12:04:40 PM
When you edge on the mill, it is much harder to get the board on the mill at just the right angle, and if you are edging a bunch of boards together, you kind of just get what you get. With an edger, you can send the board through so you get the maximum width that the board will allow, and you set the edger for best yield. Softwoods I cut in even inch widths, as it is very often used without further processing, like siding or sheathing. Hardwoods, you take the maximum width you can get without getting too much wane. All those extra 1/4 or 1/2 inches add up when scaling. I like to stock pile all of my edger boards, then fire up the edger at the end of the sawing session. If you have a tail man, you can edge a lot of lumber in 20 minutes.
After thought about it, we had a saw horse built just off the side of our old edger of my grandfathers and he would have the offbearers stacking them there till we finished the logs up. Then we did just as you said and he would come select the sizes and shoot the board down through the edger and we would separate the board from the two flitches. I think I could do the same with a woodmizer single blade edger and pay cash for the edger and increase productivity substantially. Instead of stopping and stacking the boards on the mill I could wait and fire up the edger and take care of that at the end and keep the logs rolling on the mill. One other thing I am highly considering is ordering the trailer package for my lt15.
Broke my first blade today. Even kinked it up... Lol what causes this?
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Here is a pile of ties I cut today. Hope to deliver 35 to the yard by Tuesday! I averaged 30 min per tie today. Way faster than when I started it took me over a hour lol. Figuring things out!
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QuoteFiguring things out!
Hate to bug you about it, but take pics on your iphone with vol. button "down".. ;D
I think that solves the problem of sideways pics.
Quote from: Wallee on December 26, 2015, 11:39:47 PMBroke my first blade today. Even kinked it up... Lol what causes this?
Inertia as in momentum. It made you jump didn't it. :D
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Blades traveling that fast have to go somewhere.
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Here is one that made it past the fingers and exited the sawdust chute.
Ya DanG right it will make you jump. smiley_blue_bounce
Quote from: beenthere on December 27, 2015, 12:46:48 AM
QuoteFiguring things out!
Hate to bug you about it, but take pics on your iphone with vol. button "down".. ;D
I think that solves the problem of sideways pics.
Orientation is correct from my phone but again it's different on the comp. apparently I need To take them upside down. But then wouldn't it be upside down in the phone?
Wallee
QuoteOrientation is correct from my phone but again it's different on the comp. apparently I need To take them upside down. But then wouldn't it be upside down in the phone?
The key is to take the pic with the volume button down. Within the iPhone system, your pic will be corrected for up/down/sideways. Once out of that system, the pic tag that makes the correction is lost.
Hope that helps you understand it better.
Quote from: beenthere on December 27, 2015, 12:49:18 PM
Wallee
QuoteOrientation is correct from my phone but again it's different on the comp. apparently I need To take them upside down. But then wouldn't it be upside down in the phone?
The key is to take the pic with the volume button down. Within the iPhone system, your pic will be corrected for up/down/sideways. Once out of that system, the pic tag that makes the correction is lost.
Hope that helps you understand it better.
Volume is on the side so I should take sideways shots with the volume facing the ground?
Quote from: Magicman on December 27, 2015, 08:23:53 AM
Quote from: Wallee on December 26, 2015, 11:39:47 PMBroke my first blade today. Even kinked it up... Lol what causes this?
Inertia as in momentum. It made you jump didn't it. :D
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Blades traveling that fast have to go somewhere.
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Here is one that made it past the fingers and exited the sawdust chute.
Oh yeah I jumped!!! Lol
QuoteVolume is on the side so I should take sideways shots with the volume facing the ground?
Yup, volume buttons down always.
Quote from: Magicman on December 27, 2015, 01:33:42 PM
QuoteVolume is on the side so I should take sideways shots with the volume facing the ground?
Yup, volume buttons down always.
Note taken! ;D
ok..... Planning on upgrading or at least talked to woodmizer today and will be discussing possibilities here soon. Someone more knowledgeable than me on these mills fill me in. Lt35hd vs. lt40hd. What are the hard fact differences between the two? I watched the videos on both and seems like the both are really similar. One difference I seen was the 40 came with the g26 kohler vs the 35 had a g25 kohler. 40 has more options you can add like control station options such as walk along or stationary and the 35 doesn't offer that. The 40 is 9000$ more..... IS it worth that?
40 has a bigger throat I believe. Also, look at the mast on the 35 vs the 40. The 35 has one upright in the center and the 40 has two uprights. The number on the mill actually denotes how many women you can bring to your millyard with the mill on a yearly basis. So that alone says the 40 is worth it. lol
Quote from: 4x4American on December 28, 2015, 10:41:14 PM
40 has a bigger throat I believe. Also, look at the mast on the 35 vs the 40. The 35 has one upright in the center and the 40 has two uprights. The number on the mill actually denotes how many women you can bring to your millyard with the mill on a yearly basis. So that alone says the 40 is worth it. lol
that last part ahahahahah.
You've got a good thing going right now, don't burden yourself with a mountain of debt.
Look at increasing profits instead of production.
I started out with a manual mill. I was to the point to quit all together because of the turning factor and clamping. I even added a pineywoods turner and clamp to my mill to ease the burden some. I was able to find a older LT40 for a reasonable price and bought it. That helped. I have actually picked up another one and my son now runs one with me. We still only run about 3k ft a day with 2 mills but it is much easier on my body.
Don't get hasty here. It is a place where you could run a muck with too much debt and not enough income. I remember 2009.
BTW where do you sell ties at that will take 30? I have to saw a semi load or at least 20 in a bundle.
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Quote from: paul case on December 29, 2015, 09:55:59 AM
I started out with a manual mill. I was to the point to quit all together because of the turning factor and clamping. I even added a pineywoods turner and clamp to my mill to ease the burden some. I was able to find a older LT40 for a reasonable price and bought it. That helped. I have actually picked up another one and my son now runs one with me. We still only run about 3k ft a day with 2 mills but it is much easier on my body.
Don't get hasty here. It is a place where you could run a muck with too much debt and not enough income. I remember 2009.
BTW where do you sell ties at that will take 30? I have to saw a semi load or at least 20 in a bundle.
pc
North American tie, my grandfather sold to the buyer under another company years ago. He told me he would buy 6 or 600 to just drop them off! I have delivered as little as 5 and as many as one bundle so far. Got my check a week later each time. 8)
31 ties loaded and headed out in the morning!
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Nice load ready to go... good tie prices now?
Another ooops on the second pic... remember "vol. button down"... ;)
Quote from: beenthere on December 30, 2015, 12:25:34 AM
Nice load ready to go... good tie prices now?
Another ooops on the second pic... remember "vol. button down"... ;)
ha ha dang it! I rememberd on the first one! 7x9-33$ 6x8-16.50$
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Anyone need firewood lol
Ok guys, got to the mill today and was preparing to get everything ready to start a 4200 bf order of pine. Took 3 blocks all the same diameter and took 1 to each end of the mill, pulled string tight and used the third to check along all the bunks and rail that it was sitting level. I found it to be pretty much perfect all the way down the rail and all the way down the center of the bunks. So I throw my first log of the 4200bf order on there. 16'6" and about 11" in diameter. slab it 4 times and get to the 6 inch cant. I found it to be odd looking, out of square. SO I pull my square out and sure enough it is 1/8 out..... I believe my last little order of some 2x2 cedar blanks looked the same... What are some of the things that could be occurring?? Mill bed is level I thought?!
Is it staying level after the weight is put on it ?
Its easy to put a Lazer level one one end and walk
along the bed with a tape measure checking from
the bed up to the light.
"Out of square" My first guess would be clamping too tight against the stops.
But don't know your routine, just a guess from reading others' posts over time and how easy that can happen.
In most cases of out of square, the root cause is over clamping. This can lead to bent backstops. Once that happens, it is very difficult to saw square cants. I am in the process of overhauling an lt40 for a friend. He complains the mill just won't saw square. All 4 backstops were bent outward as much as 3/4 inch. When you cut the second face after rolling the log, the face of the first cut MUST be absolutely vertical to the bunks. If you can't see what is happening, open the first face, roll and clamp the log. Then use a framing square to measure first face to bunk. If that measurement is off, find out why and correct it before putting the blade to the wood.
Out of square is mostly an operator problem....
Quote from: pineywoods on January 05, 2016, 09:50:01 AM
In most cases of out of square, the root cause is over clamping. This can lead to bent backstops. Once that happens, it is very difficult to saw square cants. I am in the process of overhauling an lt40 for a friend. He complains the mill just won't saw square. All 4 backstops were bent outward as much as 3/4 inch. When you cut the second face after rolling the log, the face of the first cut MUST be absolutely vertical to the bunks. If you can't see what is happening, open the first face, roll and clamp the log. Then use a framing square to measure first face to bunk. If that measurement is off, find out why and correct it before putting the blade to the wood.
Out of square is mostly an operator problem....
Not to sound smart, but its not an operator problem here. Unless you say that not checking the backstops with the square is operator error. I have done several really large logs and they could have messed with the backstops. You brought up something here that I feel will be the solution. I will post this evening and let you know if so, I am going to check and make sure the backstops are still square to the bunks. They have adjustment in the back with a bolt if I remember correct. And for the thoughts on clamping. TO be honest I have got to where I hardly clamp the logs until they get down really small, because I have found that most of the time the weight of the cant is sufficient to keeping the cant in place throughout the head travel.
The operator does need to check... often. No one else will be around to make the cant square. ;)
Quote from: beenthere on January 05, 2016, 11:46:22 AM
The operator does need to check... often. No one else will be around to make the cant square. ;)
Indeed my friend!
So I put another log up and it was all good. I actually believe I was experiencing stress in that long small log. I did however as told and made sure the backstops were square to the bed and I did make a 1/16 adjustment on like one or two of them. They were pretty much on just by taking the advice posted above I caught them before they were bad off. I got some set up things I am going to be changing on the mill soon. I have the mill laying flat on the bed rails and not on the feet that are sent with the mill. I am considering putting the feet on so I can make minute adjustments to the bed with the turn of a wrench. I want to get the trailer package to make the mill mobile and easier to adjust but things keep popping up and we will see in time. I sawed 1000 bf today for the 4200 bf order. Worked at the mill 5 hours. Averaging 200 bf a hour seems decent to me. I spent a good bit of time on this one log cause it was max the mill could handle and was hard for me to handle. Imagine turning a 29" pine without hydraulics! I even had to break out the chainsaw and do some fancy shaving in places. But I couldn't be happier with the 74 1x6x10 boards it produced 8)
I don't care who you are, that is excellent production on a LT15. That is getting it done.
Quote from: WDH on January 06, 2016, 07:48:22 AM
I don't care who you are, that is excellent production on a LT15. That is getting it done.
I think his age has a lot to do with that productivity :)
Quote from: WDH on January 06, 2016, 07:48:22 AM
I don't care who you are, that is excellent production on a LT15. That is getting it done.
Thanks! I try and pump it out!
Quote from: gfadvm on January 06, 2016, 09:23:26 AM
Quote from: WDH on January 06, 2016, 07:48:22 AM
I don't care who you are, that is excellent production on a LT15. That is getting it done.
I think his age has a lot to do with that productivity :)
Also good help! I honestly think I could have upped it a good bit if I would of had an edger. Stopping to edge and then losing so much waste by edging a lot at once makes me sick.
I agree with pineywoods concerning out of square and an operator problem. On my LT40 if I clamp too hard on a perfectly square cant, the cant will tend to lift up on the clamp side, throwing every thing out of square. So don't over do it. I am definitely an living operator problem, but I sure enjoy it.
That is great production man. In terms of over clamping on a hyd mill on a square cant, I generally clamp in and then bump the clamp down seems to work for me. The hardest part is when you're squaring the cant on ether the second or third face (I usually do the third face) and your log stops are halfway up then it's hard to tell where square is because it dont always sit flush against the stops. You can try to look for daylight but can be hard if its only a sliver off.
Quote from: WDH on January 06, 2016, 07:48:22 AM
I don't care who you are, that is excellent production on a LT15.
It is, smiley_thumbsup
Quote from: 4x4American on January 06, 2016, 07:06:22 PM
That is great production man. In terms of over clamping on a hyd mill on a square cant, I generally clamp in and then bump the clamp down seems to work for me. The hardest part is when you're squaring the cant on ether the second or third face (I usually do the third face) and your log stops are halfway up then it's hard to tell where square is because it dont always sit flush against the stops. You can try to look for daylight but can be hard if its only a sliver off.
Yeah I have noticed through sawing a couple thousand bf here lately that you really have to watch yourself lol. And sometimes the more tired you are.... the mistakes pour out lol
You'd be less tired with an lt40! ;D
Here is some pics of the 1000bf leaving out today.
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Here is that beast of a pine.
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Quote from: 4x4American on January 06, 2016, 10:55:24 PM
You'd be less tired with an lt40! ;D
Lol indeed! I just cant afford one, new at least lol. I am looking at options for sawmill changes in the near future. Maybe even something simple as adding a edger and some roller beds :o
Wallee, At 24 years old, you seem to be doing something right to have the equipment you have. Keep up the good work.
Wallee
I also think you are doing and excellent job with your Lt15. Sawing those large
logs your backstops will never stay square. I made a square to use to check the
log to open second face. And other mod. that has helped a log turner and clamp
both powered by 12vdc winch. Edging boards on the mill is the pits i'm with you
at this point I think an edger would help.
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Elk42, I like your log turning setup. I had a similar setup on my LT10.
I also like that log turning setup... This coming summer I'm building a mill planner and I think
I'll make two machines in one. I wild not be to hard for you to make a planning attachment
for your log roller.
Wallee,
Man I have really enjoyed reading through your thread the past couple days. Bud, you are really getting after it!
Thanks for sharing with everyone!
Quote from: Wallee on December 28, 2015, 08:39:51 PM
ok..... Planning on upgrading or at least talked to woodmizer today and will be discussing possibilities here soon. Someone more knowledgeable than me on these mills fill me in. Lt35hd vs. lt40hd. What are the hard fact differences between the two? I watched the videos on both and seems like the both are really similar. One difference I seen was the 40 came with the g26 kohler vs the 35 had a g25 kohler. 40 has more options you can add like control station options such as walk along or stationary and the 35 doesn't offer that. The 40 is 9000$ more..... IS it worth that?
Quote from: Wallee on January 06, 2016, 11:30:58 PM
Quote from: 4x4American on January 06, 2016, 10:55:24 PM
You'd be less tired with an lt40! ;D
Lol indeed! I just cant afford one, new at least :D . I am looking at options for sawmill changes in the near future. Maybe even something simple as adding a edger and some roller beds :o
I was referencing that first quote I thought you were looking!
You're definitely gettin after it!
Do you have hired help helping or is it just friends?
An yea I gotta say I like this thread for some reason or another.
I don't know how but I had not read this thread until last night. Spent about an hour reading and really enjoyed it. I started out with a LT15 sawing ties so there are some similarities. You're doing a great job.
Happy bday tyler, you're now 1/4 of a century old!
Quote from: Deese on January 07, 2016, 11:59:31 AM
Wallee,
Man I have really enjoyed reading through your thread the past couple days. Bud, you are really getting after it!
Thanks for sharing with everyone!
Thanks for reading through! I am doing my best to help others by learning from my mistakes :D
I have enjoyed learning and this forum has been the biggest help to me by far!
Quote from: Ohio_Bill on January 07, 2016, 07:35:33 PM
I don't know how but I had not read this thread until last night. Spent about an hour reading and really enjoyed it. I started out with a LT15 sawing ties so there are some similarities. You're doing a great job.
Awesome! I wondered if there were any other folks out the like me sawing ties on such a small mill! Looks like Im not the only one addicted to hard work 8) Would love to see how you had yours set up!
Quote from: 4x4American on January 08, 2016, 01:05:08 PM
Happy bday tyler, you're now 1/4 of a century old!
Now that you put it that way it kinda makes me feel older lol! Thanks for wishing me a happy birthday!
I started out sawing out a house on a manual mill the ez boardwalk 40. almost from the day the mill came home folks were bringing me logs to saw for them. Upon completing the house I sawed ties, pallet lumber and cants for a shipping skid. It quickly became too much for this round farm boy and I traded up to a used LT 40 hd. Now I have 2 '94 LT40 hd mills and a baker edger sawing anything I can get to sell to 3 or 4 local markets. My 20 yo son and I make somewhere around 6k to 8k ft a week depending on how much I saw between dealing with maintenance, deliveries, customers and log sorting, grading and stacking. I know no pics and it didn't happen so here ya go.
PC
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That's a hydraulic toe board on a manual mill.
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This is a load of some 3x4 shipping cants. I still cut these for a customer, but now it is 450 at a time.
Thanks Wallee for this thread. I have really enjoyed your progress.
Paul case
QuoteThat's a hydraulic toe board on a manual mill.
I have the same hydraulic toe board on my home made mill.
wallee, I can't believe how much production you get. I can get 100 board foot if I work at my pace for two days and the logs are at the mill. I must take more breaks :) Even that hurts me, You impress me with your hard work.
Cheers
gww
Quote from: gww on January 14, 2016, 10:04:34 AM
Paul case
QuoteThat's a hydraulic toe board on a manual mill.
I have the same hydraulic toe board on my home made mill.
wallee, I can't believe how much production you get. I can get 100 board foot if I work at my pace for two days and the logs are at the mill. I must take more breaks :) Even that hurts me, You impress me with your hard work.
Cheers
gww
Thanks! We try and pump it out while we are running! I have been doing some updates on the mill lately. Got the feet wm supplies actually on the mill now so I can make adjustments easier but now it slides when a heavy log is put up there....... So not sure how much I like that lol.
Here is some 2x4s and 1x6's we cut yesterday for a order!
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How are you putting a heavy log on the mill? Rolling it off a log deck shouldn't move the mill.
You boys sure boogy! 8)
I did not like the screw feet. Even turning a big log could cause those feet to crab, shifting the mill. A solid foundation with the mill at about knee to mid thigh high worked best for me.
Quote from: WDH on January 14, 2016, 08:44:50 PM
I did not like the screw feet. Even turning a big log could cause those feet to crab, shifting the mill. A solid foundation with the mill at about knee to mid thigh high worked best for me.
So did you just let it rest on the frame?
Yes . But in WDH's case he put the tracks higher on blocking .
Drill a hole with a forsner bit a ½" deep for the leg to set into.
I built a solid foundation with beams that I cut on the mill. Put the frame directly on the beams. Leveled the frame with a string, using shims where needed to get all the bunks perfectly level and flat. Your foundation has to be rock solid.
Quote from: WDH on January 15, 2016, 08:30:07 AM
I built a solid foundation with beams that I cut on the mill. Put the frame directly on the beams. Leveled the frame with a string, using shims where needed to get all the bunks perfectly level and flat. Your foundation has to be rock solid.
That is the way I had mine at first. Shims kept backing out. Have the feet on now and seems to be ok. I put some blocking around the feet so they dont move too much anymore. I want a trailer package I think.
Wallee this is the way my sawmill bed is connected to the H beam.
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Quote from: elk42 on January 15, 2016, 11:43:57 AM
Wallee this is the way my sawmill bed is connected to the H beam.
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Awesome! Thanks for sharing your setup!
Quote from: Peter Drouin on January 15, 2016, 06:31:11 AM
Drill a hole with a forsner bit a ½" deep for the leg to set into.
This would work. The EZ boardwalk mill I started with had a plate with a 1'' pipe welded to it and holes to screw the plate down.
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I think you should be able to nail or screw down the shims to keep them under there too if you choose to go that way.
I would suggest for you to get that mill up so as to make it easier on you and your helpers backs. I had the bed of my mill about knee high or a little more. That made it so much easier to edge, clamp and turn, Then you will have room for that hydraulic toe board. ;D
PC
Good idea Paul, smiley_thumbsup
Quote from: Peter Drouin on January 16, 2016, 09:40:58 PM
Good idea Paul, smiley_thumbsup
Yep I like that idea as well!
Wallee
An edger would help your production with the least amount of investment.
You could hire a kid after school to help you edge at the end of a day and in an hour you could run a lot of boards thru.
I had an edger on the back end of my mill and about 25-30% of my production came off the edger.
I had 2 pilers off the back end of my mill and they ran the slabs over the edger right off the mill.
If you look around you can maybe find an old edger you can pick up cheap.
If it has no motor, hook it up to the PTO of your tractor.
Just my 2 cents.
Woodmizer uses more track sections to edge boards at the Sawmill Shootout. You can also cut more logs with more track . I believe each trach section is about $600 .
Plus, there is an Edger for sale fairly close to you. wwsjr's Edger (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,87254.msg1337103.html#msg1337103)
I was hoping to see some more action here. How's it going Wallee?
PC
Quote from: paul case on January 26, 2016, 08:53:50 AM
I was hoping to see some more action here. How's it going Wallee?
PC
Sawed some 1x12x10 today! Also a few 1x4x10. Averaged 240bf a hour today!
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Also thought you guys should know that a new mill is still a strong possibility in the near future. Got a local bank cooking something up for me and I think we are going to make a deal. I am strongly liking the idea of hydraulics and I can't get it out of my head lol!!
It's good to see someone make a go of milling. Some areas have a good demand for rough lumber. 8)
8)
I still like the logging truck. ;D
Thanks Wallee, sat so long reading my back side hurts!!! People like you are going to cause me to buy one these saw dust makers.
Great thread,
Terry
Quote from: tnaz on January 26, 2016, 10:20:12 PM
Thanks Wallee, sat so long reading my back side hurts!!! People like you are going to cause me to buy one these saw dust makers.
Great thread,
Terry
I'm glad you enjoyed it! It's been a fun journey and I can't wait till I get some time to put some of this wood I'm always cutting to use on my own house!
Just for fun how about we all share some pics of our loaders/mill support equipment? I love seeing what others are using!
Ok I confess I am addicted to support equipment.
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Nice pics is the wheel loader a Allis Chalmers? I have a 545 B looks the same maybe little bigger.
Quote from: hacknchop on January 27, 2016, 11:38:37 PM
Nice pics is the wheel loader a Allis Chalmers? I have a 545 B looks the same maybe little bigger.
Yep Sure is a Allis 840
Quote from: Ohio_Bill on January 27, 2016, 11:29:17 PM
Ok I confess I am addicted to support equipment.
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Ha ha I think I am addicted to it as well! I love that wheel loader!!
So I'm driving down the interstate and I notice a truckload of these oak timbers. At least 10x10 around 12-14 feet long. What on earth are they for?!
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They mill low grade oak into timbers like that for drag line mats around here.
One company that I supply oak timbers to makes these kinds of mats. I have seen them made with out the steel and just bolted together.
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Quote from: Ohio_Bill on February 01, 2016, 12:09:34 AM
One company that I supply oak timbers to makes these kinds of mats. I have seen them made with out the steel and just bolted together.
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That is some sturdy looking mats!
Those must be some kind of loading ramp or something like that. ???
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Power Co. around here uses them as a base when they reconstruct utility poles in wet areas.
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Quote from: Magicman on February 02, 2016, 09:09:05 AM
Those must be some kind of loading ramp or something like that. ???
Our area has experienced a boom in oil well drilling and these mats are what they call rig mats. The mats are interlocked to make a large area around the drilling area. Which is several thousand sq ft.
Quote from: Ohio_Bill on February 03, 2016, 09:11:19 AM
Quote from: Magicman on February 02, 2016, 09:09:05 AM
Those must be some kind of loading ramp or something like that. ???
Our area has experienced a boom in oil well drilling and these mats are what they call rig mats. The mats are interlocked to make a large area around the drilling area. Which is several thousand sq ft.
I seen thousands of mats when they brought a gas line through our town. I need to find who is buying so I can fill some orders!
Some more 1x12's from today!
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Check out these gems my buddy dropped off today!
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wallee
You impress me. Your boards look really clear, must be some quality logs. I always end up with some rot following a limb to the heart or on the ends. You sure seem to git er done.
gww
Quote from: gww on February 04, 2016, 08:56:12 AM
wallee
You impress me. Your boards look really clear, must be some quality logs. I always end up with some rot following a limb to the heart or on the ends. You sure seem to git er done.
gww
Top quality logs here, I lucked up upon them and got them at a heck of a deal. They were only fell a month or so back. I wish I could luck up on some more like it soon!
More giant pine on the mill!
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Check out this little gem I found inside said pine.
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And leaving out Monday at 3, 1300bf of pine B and B siding!
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Way to go. You are giving that LT15 a workout. 8)
Very nice operation Dr
Well Done
Quote from: Magicman on February 05, 2016, 08:19:04 PM
Way to go. You are giving that LT15 a workout. 8)
Ha ha I'm pretty sure if this lt15 could talk he or she would be like lay off me man! I wasn't built for this much!
Quote from: Wallee on February 06, 2016, 02:39:42 PM
Quote from: Magicman on February 05, 2016, 08:19:04 PM
Way to go. You are giving that LT15 a workout. 8)
Ha ha I'm pretty sure if this lt15 could talk he or she would be like lay off me man! I wasn't built for this much!
You'd be surprised, in a lot of third world countries they run LT15's day in and day out producing large volumes of lumber. With plentiful/cheap labor you can saw a lot of lumber on a manual mill.
I think you'll get tired long before that mill. :D
I think she likes it! Remember it's a Wood-Mizer if it could talk it'd prolly be saying comeon hurry up let's go that all you got! Chicken! hahah :D :D
Quote from: Verticaltrx on February 06, 2016, 06:49:58 PM
Quote from: Wallee on February 06, 2016, 02:39:42 PM
Quote from: Magicman on February 05, 2016, 08:19:04 PM
Way to go. You are giving that LT15 a workout. 8)
Ha ha I'm pretty sure if this lt15 could talk he or she would be like lay off me man! I wasn't built for this much!
You'd be surprised, in a lot of third world countries they run LT15's day in and day out producing large volumes of lumber. With plentiful/cheap labor you can saw a lot of lumber on a manual mill.
Well I have to say mine has cut a lot! You know with some hydraulics to turn the logs, I could mill a whole lot with this lt15!
Quote from: Dave Shepard on February 06, 2016, 06:55:32 PM
I think you'll get tired long before that mill. :D
We will see! I am a resilient hard headed young buck!
Quote from: 4x4American on February 07, 2016, 10:03:44 AM
I think she likes it! Remember it's a Wood-Mizer if it could talk it'd prolly be saying comeon hurry up let's go that all you got! Chicken! hahah :D :D
You are probably right! Well I know one thing, if I don't get an upgrade I really wont care because I have seen what a lt15 and 2 men can do if they want. May not be big production to some but I am just looking to make a living and feed my family and the lt15 has done that for me. of coarse I have my logging and horses supporting me as well but I can assure you one thing, whenever one thing was going a little slack, the lt15 has sure helped fill in the gaps and paid its way!
Wallee, have you put some thought into putting a pineywoods log turner on the L15?
Quote from: plowboyswr on February 08, 2016, 06:23:11 PM
Wallee, have you put some thought into putting a pineywoods log turner on the L15?
Haven't heard of it! Do tell?
Wallee,
How is your shoulder holding up?If you are committed to keeping the Lt15 there are many log turner possibilities.Pineywoods and Elk42 both have mods that bear looking at.Elk42's fits right on the Lt15 track but would require a track extension to ''park'' it.
Check out there galleries and do you search,lotta possibilities.
Nice work.
Wallee, go here. https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,39860.0.html
The original is on my wm lt40, there once was a guy in Raymond that had one on a lt28. I'm about a 2 hour drive from you, welcome to come look...
Quote from: pineywoods on February 10, 2016, 09:56:51 AM
Wallee, go here. https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,39860.0.html
The original is on my wm lt40, there once was a guy in Raymond that had one on a lt28. I'm about a 2 hour drive from you, welcome to come look...
I might take you up on that pineywoods!
Waiting to hear something from bank right now, still considering a upgrade.
In the meantime here is the load I sent out yesterday!
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Good Looking Lumber Let me guess 1875 bf .
Quote from: pineywoods on February 10, 2016, 09:56:51 AM
Wallee, go here. https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,39860.0.html
The original is on my wm lt40, there once was a guy in Raymond that had one on a lt28. I'm about a 2 hour drive from you, welcome to come look...
yep that's the one. Paul Case had one one his EZ Boardwalk that he hooked up to his tractor remotes. That would get ya started and cut a little cost to start.
Wallee, you are really getting after it! 8)
I mean, wow :o
Am I the only one that gets really tired just seeing what all he does? What it would be like to be that age again huh?
Quote from: KirkD on February 10, 2016, 04:27:02 PM
Am I the only one that gets really tired just seeing what all he does? What it would be like to be that age again huh?
Well let me make you more tired lol! This is what I cut and loaded today!
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And here is my work horse!
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Quote from: Ohio_Bill on February 10, 2016, 10:35:39 AM
Good Looking Lumber Let me guess 1875 bf .
Close! It was actually right at 1500bf!
Nice to see a man with some Giddyup. smiley_thumbsup
wallee has the exact same equipment i started with except i had ford 555 backhoe for loading and no winch on my tractor for skidding i worked 3 days a week logging and 3 days a week sawing oh and i had a 8 hp hudson manual mill but that was before the forum and all the mills i had seen were homemade so i though i was on top and i could see no reason to spend an extra 6 grand for hydraulics :D :D :D if i only knew then what i know now ::) ;D ;D ;D
wallee go for the up grade while you still feel like running it if you have the work and can swing the payment. ties are looking good for a while from what they are telling me BUT remember cheap gas is a double edge sword and i can remember ties being under $20 so bear that in mind when making you decision :) looks like you have it going good just have to decide if can double production and make more money ;D or if it would be less :( good luck with whatever you decide :)
Quote from: sandsawmill14 on February 11, 2016, 07:16:16 AM
wallee has the exact same equipment i started with except i had ford 555 backhoe for loading and no winch on my tractor for skidding i worked 3 days a week logging and 3 days a week sawing oh and i had a 8 hp hudson manual mill but that was before the forum and all the mills i had seen were homemade so i though i was on top and i could see no reason to spend an extra 6 grand for hydraulics :D :D :D if i only knew then what i know now ::) ;D ;D ;D
wallee go for the up grade while you still feel like running it if you have the work and can swing the payment. ties are looking good for a while from what they are telling me BUT remember cheap gas is a double edge sword and i can remember ties being under $20 so bear that in mind when making you decision :) looks like you have it going good just have to decide if can double production and make more money ;D or if it would be less :( good luck with whatever you decide :)
Thanks buddy! Looking at mills the mill of my choosing would be double the price per month so I just don't know if I want to do that to myself. Thinking about throwing a trailer package on my lt15 to be mobile and buying an edger. Thoughts?
I know a trailer package would be wonderful , but I moved my LT 15 several times with a flat bed 14 ft trailer and it was very easy .
Get some lights and saw 24 hours a day
Whatcha looking at for an upgrade (ifn ya dont mind me asking of course) unless it's a surprise lol
Quote from: 4x4American on February 11, 2016, 08:29:25 PM
Whatcha looking at for an upgrade (ifn ya dont mind me asking of course) unless it's a surprise lol
Ha ha Everything! I just cant stand the thought of taking on too much payment per month. My thought process is that hydraulics would be wonderful but is it cost effective for me? Sure I am busy now, but what about the future? If I go hydraulic, I would be looking at pretty much double the payment of my lt15 no matter how you look at it and whatever color mill. I like the idea of a mill with a trailer package and the shape of the woodmizer frame looks good for offbearing. The lt28 looks like I could get a winch log turner, which could help with the bigger logs to turn (I try and stay away from overly large logs). Going up to that mill would allow me to have the trailer package, bed shape, upgrade to the 25hp kohler over my current 19hp, 1 post cantiliver head, and of course the log deck package. So I am leaning this way to see if I can push my business along with the mill for a while longer till I can justify paying so much a month for a hydraulic mill. I mostly have been milling at my site and have the support equipment there. What is everyone's thoughts to my ponderings?
Quote from: red on February 11, 2016, 11:11:54 AM
Get some lights and saw 24 hours a day
I have lights and have sawed up until 10pm ;D
i personally would not upgrade until i could go to a full hyd mill. the extra 6 hp wont pay the difference in a 100 yrs ;D if portable is the direction you want to go thats different but instead for trading mills i would get 2 sticks of 6" channel iron an axle and a set of magnetic tail lights and make it portable. if you buy a new break axle you will still be less than a 1000 bucks :) thats what i did on the hudson minus the breaks. mill, trailer and all is way less than 3000 lbs so no need for them. portable sawing brings on a whole different bunch of headaches but some like magicman like it and are great at it. its not for me but you might like it :)
I would look at a good used hyd. mill. You should be able to find one that would be close to the price of a LT28. Hyd. will make a much better improvement than 6 hp.
I'd keep bustin butt with the 15 til you find a good used 40 hyd for the right price. That 15 ain't a year old yet is it?
I agree with the last few posts. Push this mill until you can make a big jump for an upgrade. I've always been amazed what an LT15 can do with a couple of strong backs. I think you will need to go to at least an LT40 hydraulic to start noticing a big difference in production, although any hydraulic will be easier on the back. The reason is that a manual mill is pretty fast to turn and clamp, just takes oomph. If your demand continues to improve, then I think something like an LT40 Super would be a good target, as it has twice the hydraulic capacity. And I wouldn't be the least bit worried about a used mill, unless it's been really abused.
x 2 on the used mills there is a lot of them out there and most are several years old with less than 1000 hrs on them witch is nothing just look at jakes lt70 and its still running strong :) i have never had a wm mill but i would if i hadnt found a timberking first ;D you cant go wrong with timberking or woodmizer there are other good mills out there to these are just the most common :)
i must say i like the 4 post mills the best but it wont change my mind if/when i get ready to trade mills :)
Quote from: 4x4American on February 12, 2016, 07:07:44 AM
I'd keep bustin butt with the 15 til you find a good used 40 hyd for the right price. That 15 ain't a year old yet is it?
it's not. Only problem with going with used is how the bank looks at the equipment. I'm needing something in the 15k range and I have to sell my lt15 or if buying from woodmizer they would take it and give me 300 in equity.
Do you think you could keep running the 15 and get it paid off and then when you've established your business better and can swing it from company funds then start looking for an upgrade? It just seems to me that if you could do it that way, you might sleep easier. If you waited til you could buy it outrght with company funds than you wouldn't have to worry about a payment, and then you can sell the 15 after you've gotten the new mill and gotten all the bugs worked out, so that you're not without a mill. And that lt 15 selling money could be used to buy logs or to help recoup the losses from upgrading. It seems like you are keeping busy and if you give it some time I'm sure you can build up enough working capital to get to that point. Keep up the good work bud!
Just food for thought as to how I see it.
I agree with some of the previous posters, keep running the LT15 until it is paid for AND put enough cash in your pocket to upgrade without debt. You might look at increasing your prices slightly or offering higher value products to get to that point quicker. With some of the really high value specialty stuff that you could mill it wouldn't be impossible to pay that LT15 off in a couple weeks to a month.
Also, don't mix up equipment wants vs needs. For someone in good health and with a helper I see nothing wrong with a manual mill until you really start to get into the very large logs or high production. Lest we forget that the old on-farm circle mills that built much of rural America were mostly manual...
Wallee. We are on a "mission" and we spent last night at Legion State Park. move_it
Quote from: Verticaltrx on February 12, 2016, 06:31:24 PM
I agree with some of the previous posters, keep running the LT15 until it is paid for AND put enough cash in your pocket to upgrade without debt. You might look at increasing your prices slightly or offering higher value products to get to that point quicker. With some of the really high value specialty stuff that you could mill it wouldn't be impossible to pay that LT15 off in a couple weeks to a month.
Also, don't mix up equipment wants vs needs. For someone in good health and with a helper I see nothing wrong with a manual mill until you really start to get into the very large logs or high production. Lest we forget that the old on-farm circle mills that built much of rural America were mostly manual...
Amen to this entire quote! My grandfather's old handset circle mill was nice! Manual but effective as everything. Now I can find a circle mill like a old frick or something similar for about as cheap as a new lt15.... So why not go that route? Any cons?
I too was thinking that at some point in my life I want to restore an old circle mill. The biggest minus I can think of is that you have to go through a whole nother learning curve, hitting metal is more of a big deal, and there will
be ladies from all over flocking to the mill to see how a burly man does it, too many girly men in circulation nowadays lol
Quote from: 4x4American on February 13, 2016, 06:45:33 AM
there will be ladies from all over flocking to the mill to see how a burly man does it, too many girly men in circulation nowadays lol
:D :D :D
note to self; quit drinking while reading the forum. Root beer burns the sinuses!
Quote from: 4x4American on February 13, 2016, 06:45:33 AM
there will
be ladies from all over flocking to the mill to see how a burly man does it
Good luck with that plan, let us know how it works out :)
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Quote from: 4x4American on February 13, 2016, 06:45:33 AM
there will
be ladies from all over flocking to the mill to see how a burly man does it
Good luck with that plan, let us know how it works out :)
if he's not careful the women may be burly as he is :o :D :D :D
Quote from: sandsawmill14 on February 14, 2016, 11:33:20 AM
Quote from: terrifictimbersllc on February 14, 2016, 10:53:41 AM
Quote from: 4x4American on February 13, 2016, 06:45:33 AM
there will
be ladies from all over flocking to the mill to see how a burly man does it
Good luck with that plan, let us know how it works out :)
if he's not careful the women may be burly as he is :o :D :D :D
Easiest way for anyone to look burly is with a LogRite! :D
Quote from: sandsawmill14 on February 14, 2016, 11:33:20 AM
Quote from: terrifictimbersllc on February 14, 2016, 10:53:41 AM
Quote from: 4x4American on February 13, 2016, 06:45:33 AM
there will
be ladies from all over flocking to the mill to see how a burly man does it
Good luck with that plan, let us know how it works out :)
if he's not careful the women may be burly as he is :o :D :D :D
Ahahahahahahahahahah these past few comments are one of the many reasons I love this forum!
Soooooo I couldn't help myself and I got a good deal. I bought a new lt28 25hp, log deck package, and power feed. I feel like it is going to help me continue what I am doing and make it a little easier on me. Maybe not increase very much but the bed design and true cantilever head design was enough to pull me in. On some of the big pine logs I was tackling the second post got in the way a lot and that wont be as much of a problem anymore. Plus the mobile milling option is always there even though that is not my end game goal so much. Ha ha so don't throw rocks at me for going ahead and getting the 28 and not keeping the 15 teeter_totter
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Way to go...
No stones being thrown, Wallee, just throwing congratulations!!! I'm within my one year anniversary of taking the plunge myself, into debt and an LT40... It's still paying for itself and a bit more a times....wish I would have done it sooner...only downfall is now there's no slack, no easing up...it takes dedication... You are a dedicated fella and should have no problems. Good luck!!
Bk
Got a Good Deal ? Then it's All G O O D
Congrats on the upgrade. Was it in stock or are you now waiting?
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Did you get the simpleset? If you did you'll love it compared to using the scale
I do not see that SimpleSet is an option on the LT28. ??
I guess not, I figured it was available since it's the same head and frame as the LT35.
Quote from: Magicman on February 19, 2016, 08:07:42 AM
Congrats on the upgrade. Was it in stock or are you now waiting?
unfortunately it wasn't in stock so they are having to ship one. Woodmizer Georgia is seeing wether they can get it to them or the Mississippi location faster, in which I will go to whichever location gets it. I hope to know a date today, it should be anywhere from 2-6 weeks.
I Just got the 35HD a week ago,love it but I am inches away from swapping it out for a 40HD.
Congratulations. I was told 6 weeks when I wrote the check for my lt50. A few days later it moved to 9-10 weeks. Still waiting!
Quote from: Seavee on February 19, 2016, 03:35:37 PM
Congratulations. I was told 6 weeks when I wrote the check for my lt50. A few days later it moved to 9-10 weeks. Still waiting!
I hope that is not the case for me..... lol
I went from a LT15 to the LT28. I felt like driving a Yugo to a Caddy. I don't know if it is the height difference or the power drive. I also have a Woodmizer EG50 single blade edger which really helps. If I have help you can really boost production.
I enjoy reading about your experences in sawing, keep them coming.
Quote from: Wallys World on February 21, 2016, 06:59:04 PM
I went from a LT15 to the LT28. I felt like driving a Yugo to a Caddy. I don't know if it is the height difference or the power drive. I also have a Woodmizer EG50 single blade edger which really helps. If I have help you can really boost production.
I enjoy reading about your experences in sawing, keep them coming.
Thanks! Will keep everyone posted. I am glad to hear you enjoyed the upgrade! I think I am going to find it nice as well. Talked with woodmizer today and Im looking at about mid march for a delivery. I am very anxious lol.
While I'm waiting delivery of my new lt28, business must go on! Here is a little cedar order I worked up last night.
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Also while I'm waiting, been doing a little bit of logging for those who are interested in that as well!
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From your picture, your cedar looks pretty knot free compared to what I am used to. Makes a pretty sawdust pile though it probly won't be as pretty when you are moving it.
Cheers
gww
Looking good! How are you liking the International? Does that have a 366 or 466 or something else?
Gonna miss the 15 are ya?
Cedar looking purdy :o
That's some pretty cedar. Ours is rarely that clear.
Wow Wallee,
Had to read the entire thread in one sitting. I really appreciate you posting all of your successes and tribulations. I am waiting on my "starter mill" now. I am starting with a small manual bandsaw and I hope to upgrade to a fully hydraulic model later this year.
I have learned a lot reading your thread. Please keep the posts coming. I am cheering you on from Louisiana.
Doc
Quote from: SkyDoc on February 28, 2016, 07:36:59 PM
Wow Wallee,
Had to read the entire thread in one sitting. I really appreciate you posting all of your successes and tribulations. I am waiting on my "starter mill" now. I am starting with a small manual bandsaw and I hope to upgrade to a fully hydraulic model later this year.
I have learned a lot reading your thread. Please keep the posts coming. I am cheering you on from Louisiana.
Doc
Thanks for reading! I'm glad you enjoyed it! It sure has been a fun ride so far! Can't wait to get my lt28 in!
Quote from: 4x4American on February 28, 2016, 04:06:09 PM
Looking good! How are you liking the International? Does that have a 366 or 466 or something else?
Gonna miss the 15 are ya?
Cedar looking purdy :o
It's got a 7.3 in it! Same as the ford 1 tons from the 90's and early 2000's. I love the truck!
Probably won't miss the 15 when I get the 28!
Duh lol it prolly has that blue/green looking T444E..
What are the main features you're looking forward to gaining with the 28?
Quote from: 4x4American on February 28, 2016, 11:16:22 PM
Duh lol it prolly has that blue/green looking T444E..
What are the main features you're looking forward to gaining with the 28?
Mobile, bed frame design, and the cantiviler head design.
Remember that even that LT28 frame has to be supported. If the ground is soft I put boards under the outriggers to keep them from sinking into the ground. I periodically check them to verify that they are all still carrying weight.
Wow, Wally!!! That cant is bleeding!!! I've never seen ERC that big or clear...
Quote from: Magicman on March 01, 2016, 05:30:12 PM
Remember that even that LT28 frame has to be supported. If the ground is soft I put boards under the outriggers to keep them from sinking into the ground. I periodically check them to verify that they are all still carrying weight.
Thanks for that tip! I will have to cut me some boards to go under them feet!
Quote from: bkaimwood on March 01, 2016, 06:56:17 PM
Wow, Wally!!! That cant is bleeding!!! I've never seen ERC that big or clear...
I cut some ERC at a small job a few weeks ago that was 36" at the butt and around 26" at the 16'6" mark. It did have a bit of rot though. I got a job coming up that is going to have some pretty nice cedar on it. Will be hauling a bit to my mill and some of it is going to another mill at tree length. The other mill is using it for some type perfume or something??! Anywho they are paying good and take it tree length so thats a plus!
So no milling to speak of till monday but look what I found at an estate sale this morning!
xl12
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Got it to fire off then it went to spitting raw fuel out the exhaust when I tried to start it again. Thinking I need to check the carb over, may be something sticking or a bad dia. Will get some carb cleaner tomorrow and give her a once over. But hey it was only 12 bucks! Im a sucker for old saws!
Quote from: Wallee on March 06, 2016, 12:56:54 AM
So no milling to speak of till monday but look what I found at an estate sale this morning!
xl12
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Got it to fire off then it went to spitting raw fuel out the exhaust when I tried to start it again. Thinking I need to check the carb over, may be something sticking or a bad dia. Will get some carb cleaner tomorrow and give her a once over. But hey it was only 12 bucks! Im a sucker for old saws!
I just put a new old stock saw like that in the trash. It was never used untill I got it.
I used it for about one hour before it quit. I found out it needed a new gas line.
The line just fell apart. After about an hour of trying to replace the line it went to the trash.
The line was made in the block where you would need to take every nut bolt and whatever
off just to get to it. Wasnt worth it to me. After I trashed it I thought that maybe that
I could have ran the line on the outside of the case. Oh well I got to many saws now.
Quote from: Kbeitz on March 06, 2016, 06:25:35 AM
Quote from: Wallee on March 06, 2016, 12:56:54 AM
So no milling to speak of till monday but look what I found at an estate sale this morning!
xl12
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Got it to fire off then it went to spitting raw fuel out the exhaust when I tried to start it again. Thinking I need to check the carb over, may be something sticking or a bad dia. Will get some carb cleaner tomorrow and give her a once over. But hey it was only 12 bucks! Im a sucker for old saws!
I just put a new old stock saw like that in the trash. It was never used untill I got it.
I used it for about one hour before it quit. I found out it needed a new gas line.
The line just fell apart. After about an hour of trying to replace the line it went to the trash.
The line was made in the block where you would need to take every nut bolt and whatever
off just to get to it. Wasnt worth it to me. After I trashed it I thought that maybe that
I could have ran the line on the outside of the case. Oh well I got to many saws now.
Got it out today, started on 2nd pull. Runs like a top! Thinking about full restore and making it a shelf queen/ play with saw!
Kbeitz,hang it from the ceiling. ;D
Got to many hangers now....
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Have you got any more pictures of the one with bicycle wheels and a set of handle bars ? :D
Quote from: losttheplot on March 06, 2016, 10:24:04 PM
Have you got any more pictures of the one with bicycle wheels and a set of handle bars ? :D
I saw that too, and wondered if it was a bicycle hanging behind it, or a crazy people eater power saw lol
Wallee, that's impressive it started on the second pull! Don't feed it ethanol gas!
I'll take some more pictures of one I do have with handle bars.
You might like this one to...
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I think this is the one you thought had the handle bars. Thats just an old trike behind it.
But I do have ones with handle bars.
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K, I admire your various collections. smiley_thumbsup smiley_thumbsup
A gas powered circular saw...
Way too cool Kbeitz!
That thing is bad to the bone! Be perfect for building a cabin way back in the woods
Quote from: 4x4American on March 07, 2016, 06:24:47 PM
That thing is bad to the bone! Be perfect for building a cabin way back in the woods
Wouldnt it?
kbeitz, your collection is beyond fantastic! I cant wait to build upon mine! I have a utter fascination with old logging/forestry equipment. From log trucks to saws, loaders, winches, and you name it!
Alright, talked with Wm about my new mill and looks like it is going to be brought down on the 16'th. One of the representatives is actually driving down from the main office to go over some training things with the Ms woodmizer and he is going to be bringing my mill behind his truck! I am really excited to get it in! Thinking of ways to set up my milling shed to help with productivity of my new mill. Thinking of changing directions of the setup I am currently using. Going to have to build a new dead deck as well! I will be building a much larger dead deck this go around to hold more logs. I got quite a bit of sawing coming up this summer as I have got a LOT of hardwood logging going on right now and am going to be stock piling logs for cross ties. 8) Long sweaty days ahead!
wallee you need to seriously consider one of these
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i average bdft went up about 100 bdft per hour :o no other changes even the same off bearer :o and it cost less than 500 bucks to build ;D there are more pics of it in my gallery :)
Maybe so, but looking through your Gallery for something and I may not know what it is when I find it is confusing. smiley_dizzy
sorry about that mm :-[ im not very good with computers and dont know how to organize it :-\ only in the last 2-3 weeks did i learn how to get pics in the gallery :o my 13 yo daughter has been doing it for me and even put them post for me for a long time. i will try to get her to help me how to straighten it out though ;D but i do know what your talking about i have a hard time finding what i am wanting to post sometimes :o :-[ :D
i gotta give jeff credit though as long as your just using text ff is so easy anyone can figure it out smiley_dunce
thanks jeff smiley_clapping smiley_thumbsup 8)
Quote from: sandsawmill14 on March 12, 2016, 12:18:29 PMsorry about that mm
Oh please, no apology. I was just nudging you a bit. :) ;D
I've been trying to figure out how to make a new gallery or album or whatever it's called so I can organize mine..I figured it out one day apparently as I have 3 albums...but that day is long gone!
Quote from: sandsawmill14 on March 12, 2016, 12:40:16 AM
wallee you need to seriously consider one of these
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i average bdft went up about 100 bdft per hour :o no other changes even the same off bearer :o and it cost less than 500 bucks to build ;D there are more pics of it in my gallery :)
This is something I haven't considered! Do you roll your cants right off the mill onto that? Does it have a drive system or just roll?
it is powered by a 12 volt atv winch but if you have electricity i would use it. i take the log turner and push the ties off onto the chain and stack them at the end saves a lot of heavy lifting but where it saves the time is the off bearer can pull board off the cant onto the chain instead of have to wait for him to pick it up and move it. start timing what takes how long when you get the new mill and see where and how you can improve. saving even 10 seconds off of even 1 step will make a big difference at the end of a full days sawing :)
here is a pic of the drive
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the winch motor is under the plate steel so it doesnt get something dropped on it :)
I like the idear of using the wheeler winch..
the only thing i had to do to the winch was pull cable off and turn spool down to fit the bore of the sprocket it aint perfect but it works ;D :D :D :D
Redneck Ingenuity at it's best! Good stinkin smiley_thumbsup
;D :D :D :D
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Look what I got!
It is time to dance in the street!
How exciting.
gww
Nice looking mill. More shiny new paint on the forum. Good luck with it.
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Another Sawmill Honeymoon
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almost matches the truck
We will dance in the street for with you. 8)
Quote from: Magicman on March 22, 2016, 09:12:23 PM
We will dance in the street for with you. 8)
Thanks everyone for sharing in my excitement! I sawed my first log on it today and man am I ever pleased! Its just built so much more rigid feeling compared to the 15. Also the log deck package is an absolute back saver! I got it home, sawed a 22" pine log and it turned it with ease! Exactly what I was needing. I love how the power feed system is chain driven and not rope like the lt15. It honestly felt like a completely different beast in a sense. I feel as if this was a very good idea! 8)
We already know what your next upgrade will be. smiley_curtain_peek :D
Quote from: Magicman on March 23, 2016, 08:00:18 AM
We already know what your next upgrade will be. smiley_curtain_peek :D
A super 40 or a 50 maybe ;D
I'm thinking WM 4000 lol
Congrats. Glad you are happy with it!
So as you guys know it's a lot higher up then how I had my 15 set up. So I did some work on my log deck today getting it ready for a big load of tie logs coming in tomorrow. Pics to follow! Stay tuned!
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Quote from: paul case on March 26, 2016, 08:57:55 AM
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Log deck coming together! Rain first part of the week so we expect to do some sawing! Trying to finish this deck today!
Congratulations Wallee... Nice looking machine... I see great things!!!
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Annnnd finally doing its job!
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I really like what you've done there. It gives me some ideas for how I am going to set up my operation. When I get everything moving....
Thanks
wallee
Since you have all those lights on I assume you have been burning the midnite oil to get it done. As always, you impress me with your willingness to put the action behind the thought.
gww
looks great food for thought though take a sawzaw or cutting torch to that 6in of redee rod or carriage bolts that are sticking out (personal experience) I cut several jean pants and gashed my leg on mine....
Quote from: killamplanes on March 27, 2016, 09:15:57 AM
looks great food for thought though take a sawzaw or cutting torch to that 6in of redee rod or carriage bolts that are sticking out (personal experience) I cut several jean pants and gashed my leg on mine....
Oh yeah! I would be the one to get hung on it!
Quote from: gww on March 27, 2016, 08:48:54 AM
wallee
Since you have all those lights on I assume you have been burning the midnite oil to get it done. As always, you impress me with your willingness to put the action behind the thought.
gww
Yep I been getting it done! No idle hands here!
Video update! Subscribe to my youtube page for more future videos!
https://youtu.be/xfixZHG3J08
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Cut a few ties and some 5/4 white oak flooring. Found a flooring mill to buy my side cuts! Excited!!
Also lucked up on several really nice cherry logs on one of my logging jobs. The wife has already claimed theses first few boards as her new dining table ;D
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I believe that to be red oak, not cherry :).
Hey Wallee,
That's some real nice sawing and nice material there. I too think that may be RO.
The tie on top of the stack looks like you sawed right through the heart on it. Will your tie buyer take that? Mine might reject it. That means he would pay $4 instead of $28.75. I don't know what the other side looks like but the lumber would have probably been better from the other side. I am guessing you may have made 2 ties from the same log? I have given up on doing that unless it is a real rough big log. I don't get a lot of them.
Has the price you get for ties changed?
What's up with that tie with the pith right at the top for the whole length?
PC
Cherry it may not be but I am 100% it is not RO. My tie buyer is in a great need so yes two ties, same log. Now I need to figure out what species this wood is!
Cherrybark Oak, which is the "high dollar" Red Oak.
Quote from: Magicman on March 31, 2016, 11:46:37 AM
Cherrybark Oak, which is the "high dollar" Red Oak.
Talked to my forester friend and he thinks the same Magicman! I believe it is pretty nice! Soooo take what others said here (red oak) and me (cherry) and we are all halfway right lol !!!
Quote from: WDH on March 31, 2016, 07:29:55 AM
I believe that to be red oak, not cherry :).
wallee that is what we call cherry bark red oak but is red oak for sure :)
There is a reason that it is called cherrybark oak :). The very best Southern bottomland red oak. Shumard oak is a close second.
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Quote from: WDH on March 31, 2016, 07:29:55 AM
I believe that to be red oak, not cherry :).
wallee that is what we call cherry bark red oak but is red oak for sure :)
I am learning everyday! I like it a lot better than our regular red oak. Seems like the grain pops out more!
Quote from: WDH on March 31, 2016, 08:45:24 PM
There is a reason that it is called cherrybark oak :). The very best Southern bottomland red oak. Shumard oak is a close second.
Ha ha it has to take some years of experience to learn all these species! Shumard oak?! Never heard of it till today! This literally is why I have the upmost respect and love for our forestry forum community. It truly is a wealth of knowledge!
The Red Oak that you used to seeing is probably Water Oak. Generally smoother bark and leaves that look like duck tracks. It's a Red Oak, but much less quality.
Cherrybark oak, southern red oak, and shumard oak have a pinkish redish color in the heartwood. Water, willow, and laurel oak, common in the bottomlands, have more of a brown heartwood, and are prone to mineral stain and bacterial stain. Here is some bacterial stained laurel oak.
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Upon drying, that red color fades to brown.
So, so far this has been a very eventful week! I made some deliveries of ties and lumber. Toured a GIGANTIC hardwood sawmill. I even got carried through the grading process of my lumber I sold them and got to talk to the grader who schooled me on hardwood grading and taught me A LOT! Of course I took pictures of it all! It wouldn't be me if that didn't happen!
Here is the beginning, some logs sitting on my deck.
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Here is some pics of some of my side cut lumber being destacked and graded.
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From there it was stacked and stickered, then dipped!
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Overall it was a very informative/fun process to see! Also opened up some new doors for future business!!!
That's awesome...that stickering interests me...did a person do it halfway and then they polished it up mechanically?
Quote from: 4x4American on April 05, 2016, 09:59:46 PM
That's awesome...that stickering interests me...did a person do it halfway and then they polished it up mechanically?
Exactly how it was done man! guys set the stickers and the machine did the rest. The mill had several million bf stacked and air drying. They air dry six months then hit the kiln for four days.
You may have learned a lot touring and getting to see their equipment, but the most important thing you may have done is build a relationship with the grader. I have found that the relationship between people make much more difference than with the big company. I have had people who worked for big companies that bought lumber, cants, and logs from me or sold me logs that helped me sell my lumber even when it wasn't to them.
Relationships are the most important. Even when you have got the grading slip go buy and ask the grader how your lumber was. IMO you want to know what he thinks of it. He can tell you if there is something you need to do different.
Oh and you want them to want to buy your lumber.
PC
Quote from: paul case on April 06, 2016, 08:47:41 AM
You may have learned a lot touring and getting to see their equipment, but the most important thing you may have done is build a relationship with the grader. I have found that the relationship between people make much more difference than with the big company. I have had people who worked for big companies that bought lumber, cants, and logs from me or sold me logs that helped me sell my lumber even when it wasn't to them.
Relationships are the most important. Even when you have got the grading slip go buy and ask the grader how your lumber was. IMO you want to know what he thinks of it. He can tell you if there is something you need to do different.
Oh and you want them to want to buy your lumber.
PC
WEll he wants to come out and visit my milling operation! Said he would share with me how to get the most out of my logs! I got a bunch of logs coming in this friday so more milling to come! He said he liked my lumber as well!! MY favorite thing to hear was....... SO when you bringing me a couple thousand more bf??
That'll give ya the warm fuzzies!
Sounds to me like you will be signing a contract, well really think about were u want your operation to be in say a year. Thats my advice. Just remember that in ur discussions sometimes people want things that don't work well for the us.. been there down that school of hard nocks
I'm not tryin to be negative..
Sounds like he/ they are interested enough to take time to spend on you. And they want to buy your lumber. And when are you bringing more.
Good going. That's how you get started.
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PC
Quote from: paul case on April 06, 2016, 11:59:57 PM
Sounds like he/ they are interested enough to take time to spend on you. And they want to buy your lumber. And when are you bringing more.
Good going. That's how you get started.
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PC
Yeah, I felt like the showing me the grading process and the offer of coming next time and visiting the flooring mill as a investment in me. He was showing me how to make my lumber better/explaining how to grade lumber so I would better know what I have! I'm delivering them around 10 tons of hardwood saw logs in the am as well. They gave me a great per ton price that I'm ecstatic about to say the least. Family run sawmill, got my lumber check in 2 days too! Written write on the fold of that envelope was the biggest boldest lettering of god bless you, that meant a lot to this small town southern man.
Good stuff Wallee!
Oh boy! I like that too.
I am selling to a family run flooring outfit near me too and they treat me like family too. I got a call from them one week when I was doing some custom sawing and hadn't taken them any lumber to see if I was OK? Nice to deal with people who care.I have certainly had my fill of those who don't.
It is a real exception to the rule among lumber buyers that you would get a check in a couple days. I think on ties I can get paid within a week as the buyer can come by once a week, and the flooring plant I sell to pay on Friday of the week they grade your lumber, so I get a check in the mail on Monday or Tuesday. Most of the folks I know that sell tractor trailer loads of lumber are on 6 weeks to pay. That would be tough on a small operator. One sawyer told me the only way he may ever make any money is to quit as the checks should keep coming for another 6 weeks.
Many of the sawmills in my area remember when Nor Pac in Springfield, MO was seized by federal marshalls more than a decade ago. Can you imagine why?
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Quote from: paul case on April 08, 2016, 10:03:01 AM
Oh boy! I like that too.
I am selling to a family run flooring outfit near me too and they treat me like family too. I got a call from them one week when I was doing some custom sawing and hadn't taken them any lumber to see if I was OK? Nice to deal with people who care.I have certainly had my fill of those who don't.
It is a real exception to the rule among lumber buyers that you would get a check in a couple days. I think on ties I can get paid within a week as the buyer can come by once a week, and the flooring plant I sell to pay on Friday of the week they grade your lumber, so I get a check in the mail on Monday or Tuesday. Most of the folks I know that sell tractor trailer loads of lumber are on 6 weeks to pay. That would be tough on a small operator. One sawyer told me the only way he may ever make any money is to quit as the checks should keep coming for another 6 weeks.
Many of the sawmills in my area remember when Nor Pac in Springfield, MO was seized by federal marshalls more than a decade ago. Can you imagine why?
PC
Family run business is the best to support big and small! They told me today when I was dropping logs off that if I wanted to deliver on Saturdays and no loader operator was there, I was welcome to hop on the loader and unload!
It has been another very productive week at the sawmill! We sawed ties and grade lumber 5 hours yesterday another 5 today. Headed to drop off these ties in the morning at the tie yard. Starting in the morning on about 1000bf of cedar orders. I logged and brought this load pictured below this past monday.
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Time to roll some cants out!
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My 5yr old and 2yrs old would have a hay day with that set of rollers. But than the hospital visit 8)
Quote from: killamplanes on April 20, 2016, 11:18:31 PM
My 5yr old and 2yrs old would have a hay day with that set of rollers. But than the hospital visit 8)
Ha ha Im sure my 3 year old will try and ride a board or two down :D
I know a 22 y.o. or two that like to ride the roller tables lol
in 20 more years you will prefer to ride belts instead of rollers they are harder to fall off of :D :D :D
lol
Quote from: sandsawmill14 on April 23, 2016, 07:26:16 AM
in 20 more years you will prefer to ride belts instead of rollers they are harder to fall off of :D :D :D
Hahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha!!!
Wallee
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How's it going down there?
Quote from: 4x4American on May 22, 2016, 09:43:14 PM
Wallee
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How's it going down there?
Been so busy I haven't posted in a while.... Prepare for picture overload lol
Bring um on Wallee. 8)
We miss you Wallee
I passed through Louisville last week and I thought about you but I was on a "mission". Maybe some day.
Sounds great always good to hear from the Young Guns
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Quote from: Magicman on July 20, 2016, 01:53:58 PM
I passed through Louisville last week and I thought about you but I was on a "mission". Maybe some day.
I wish you could have stopped by! Make it a point next time your up!
So I have got a new toy at the mill!
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Prentice 180. Man O Man does it help with loading and unloading trucks!
Here is some 2x4's I sawed last week. 500 to one person!
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I got a large order of cedar to get cut in the morning! pics to come!
Looking good Wallee. 8)
Nice loader Wally!
Anything to make the job easier.
Quote from: 4x4American on July 30, 2016, 08:00:54 PM
Nice loader Wally!
Thanks man! It sure has been a help!
Sooooo here we go again, Im looking to upgrade mills :D 8)
I have outgrown my small non hydraulic mill. I need to get more footage, faster. I have been tossing a million ideas around my head and figured I would bounce a few around on here and see what responses I would receive. 1st thought, get a lt40hd and set it up with every bell and whistle offered including the stationary command center. 2nd possibly get a lt50 due to the chain log turner and vertical back stops.(I dont want to spend what it costs) 3rd I am thinking really hard about going up to a circle mill. Now my reason for this is because I have been studying the market of used sawmills and it seems as far as production goes I can get double or more for 1/3 of the price going with a circle set up. I could possibly get a full hyd circle with a few extras for 20k ish. vs. a lt40 being over 30k. Decisions, Decisions. Give me something to think about. Btw we mostly saw ties,cants, and the occasional custom order.
I know you just came back from a months vacation on your 90 ft yacht. But we need to see actual piles of Cash or Gold Bars . Just buy LT 70 and get it over with. Glad to hear your still growing a business.
I love circle mills. But I am a one man operation so its a bandmill for me. If you have the manpower and you are doing cants and ties seems circle is the way to go. I have seen automatics for sale in the12-20K range. Biggest thing with a circle is support equipment, manpower and lots of sawdust to deal with. Paul Case saws lots of ties and uses WM mills. Keep us posted.
I know a guy up north of here who has a full hydraulic bandmill, and an old circle mill, handset carriage and no turner. His bandmill doesnt get used
much. He can't produce half of what he can with the circle mill on his bandmill. And he works alone.
They are called circle mills because they run circles around our little bandsaws.
But its gonna be a whole nother thing to learn.
I know that it seems like you could saw a lot more with a circle mill, and you can. You will need a few good helpers. It also takes quite a bit more to get a circle mill set up right. Also I think they are much more dangerous to work around.
I kinda keep track of production at my mill. I can tell you that when we went from a manual to hydraulic bandmill our production was up 150%. Then in April of this year we upgraded from a 94 LT40hd 25hp to a 2013 LT40 super hd 25E we doubled our production. So I decided to work on the old 94' LT40 hd that I had put a 15hp electric motor on. I souped up the hydraulics from 1 gpm to 3.5 gpm. I call it the LT40 Souper dooper hd. I have sawn ties on it that have 2 or 3 boards on each side in 8 minutes by my self. Before I could only do 4 an hour.
Think about a used hydraulic bandmill. Maybe adding hydraulics to yours like the pineywoods turner/clamp. 1 of the things that I do to get more production out of the newer mill we have is keep Scott sawing at it by loading logs up, hauling out slabs and lumber from it, or helping with blade changes to speed things along.
PC
Quote from: paul case on September 10, 2016, 08:56:13 AM
I know that it seems like you could saw a lot more with a circle mill, and you can. You will need a few good helpers. It also takes quite a bit more to get a circle mill set up right. Also I think they are much more dangerous to work around.
I kinda keep track of production at my mill. I can tell you that when we went from a manual to hydraulic bandmill our production was up 150%. Then in April of this year we upgraded from a 94 LT40hd 25hp to a 2013 LT40 super hd 25E we doubled our production. So I decided to work on the old 94' LT40 hd that I had put a 15hp electric motor on. I souped up the hydraulics from 1 gpm to 3.5 gpm. I call it the LT40 Souper dooper hd. I have sawn ties on it that have 2 or 3 boards on each side in 8 minutes by my self. Before I could only do 4 an hour.
Think about a used hydraulic bandmill. Maybe adding hydraulics to yours like the pineywoods turner/clamp. 1 of the things that I do to get more production out of the newer mill we have is keep Scott sawing at it by loading logs up, hauling out slabs and lumber from it, or helping with blade changes to speed things along.
PC
How many bf a day could you saw on the lt40 super? I have 2 men working other than myself.
I'm not sure how to excelsior for your situation, but this winter with one helper I cut 700 feet an hour cutting white pine timbers from 10 to 16 feet. There was a lot of side lumber, and cutting timber framing timbers means I was squaring to the bed with a framing square a lot. I also have a twin blade edger. With two guys, one of them handy on a loader, I would think 400 feet per hour as a long term average would be safe, considering cleanup and maintenance. Any more would be a pleasant surprise. Adding an edger and roller tables, and you could certainly improve on that.
Scott working on the saw in a 7 hour day cut 28 7x9-8 ties and 700 ft of 4/4 side lumber. I may have loaded some for him. That was with logs already trimmed to 8'8''. No chainsaw work.
PC
Quote from: paul case on September 10, 2016, 12:30:22 PM
Scott working on the saw in a 7 hour day cut 28 7x9-8 ties and 700 ft of 4/4 side lumber. I may have loaded some for him. That was with logs already trimmed to 8'8''. No chainsaw work.
PC
That is pretty good. I saw him wrestling those ties. Bet he slept good.
He will be 22 on Tuesday. I have heard him tell his wife''I will rest when I'm dead''.
I think he has more energy than he should. He has had my dad and I helping him build a barn after sawing during the week. I call it his Johnny cash barn, as he took it home from the mill just 1 piece at a time!
PC
I wish I had that kinda energy....but at my age, I'm just glad to be able to do what I can.
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Just wait until after your next birthday. :D
I don't think my computer can take much more!!! :D :D :D
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So I found a circle mill that I am planing on going to look at this friday. Im taking a trailer and truck but thats just in case. Not set in stone Im buying but if all the parts are there and everything is remotely tight, I might be bringing back a 00 frick and a few extras ;)
Here are what pics I have of a few parts.
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Quote from: paul case on September 11, 2016, 08:50:54 PM
He will be 22 on Tuesday. I have heard him tell his wife''I will rest when I'm dead''.
I think he has more energy than he should. He has had my dad and I helping him build a barn after sawing during the week. I call it his Johnny cash barn, as he took it home from the mill just 1 piece at a time!
PC
That way dad won't know how much lumber is missing till the barn is done :D
It looks like the only things there is no picture of is the power unit and the track, cable and pulley system. I like that it is on all steel.
I know a lot of folks , myself included, have set a circle mill up and sawed enough with it to heat the blade and cup it some because the power unit wouldn't keep up with feed speed. Help setting it up and learning to run it would have been very valuable to me. If it doesn't have a power unit and you can get 3 phase, go electric. More efficient and less expensive.
PC
Quote from: Wallee on September 12, 2016, 12:00:18 AM
So I found a circle mill that I am planing on going to look at this friday. Im taking a trailer and truck but thats just in case. Not set in stone Im buying but if all the parts are there and everything is remotely tight, I might be bringing back a 00 frick and a few extras ;)
Here are what pics I have of a few parts.
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Hey Now, I've been watching that mill for a while now trying to make up my mind :D Let me know how good it looks
Quote from: paul case on September 12, 2016, 09:04:25 AM
It looks like the only things there is no picture of is the power unit and the track, cable and pulley system. I like that it is on all steel.
I know a lot of folks , myself included, have set a circle mill up and sawed enough with it to heat the blade and cup it some because the power unit wouldn't keep up with feed speed. Help setting it up and learning to run it would have been very valuable to me. If it doesn't have a power unit and you can get 3 phase, go electric. More efficient and less expensive.
PC
I got some pics of track and rest of it. Has a old moline power unit but it's to small and old to use day to day I believe. Where could I buy a good electric motor for cheap? What size would it need?
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Quote from: paul case on September 12, 2016, 09:04:25 AM
It looks like the only things there is no picture of is the power unit and the track, cable and pulley system. I like that it is on all steel.
I know a lot of folks , myself included, have set a circle mill up and sawed enough with it to heat the blade and cup it some because the power unit wouldn't keep up with feed speed. Help setting it up and learning to run it would have been very valuable to me. If it doesn't have a power unit and you can get 3 phase, go electric. More efficient and less expensive.
PC
I got some pics of track and rest of it. Has a old moline power unit but it's to small and old to use day to day I believe. Where could I buy a good electric motor for cheap? What size would it need?
If you get it send me a pm and I know a guy who sells 3 phase motors for 10.00 per hp.
So for now Im working with what I have. Haven't found what Im looking for and plan to keep a eye out. So while I have this, I am going to make the best of it and do a little changing. I need to make it more suited for my needs. Here is what I have started.
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Changed direction of mill in relation to placement in shed. As well as added a bed to roll cants off.
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16' two strand log deck going in here, holes already punched.
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Roller beds going out the building. Layed them out on the ground to get the idea. Building a nice frame to support them.
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I know that you have been busy, but it's good to see you come back up for air.
How about updating your sawmill in your profile. ;)
That is the stuff you need anyway. A lot of what you are doing will serve you well for years to come and help save your back some misery.
I find myself doing some fixing up on handling problems from time to time. It is time well spent.
Looking good.
PC
Quote from: Magicman on September 24, 2016, 07:59:00 AM
I know that you have been busy, but it's good to see you come back up for air.
How about updating your sawmill in your profile. ;)
Yes sir, I need to update quite a bit of my equipment! Hurry up and come up my way and check out the mill!!
I will and that is a promise. :)
Got some new support equipment today!
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DanG -your getting after it!
510? Should have a D-239. Those front mount cabs take some getting used to.
That is some serious iron. :o
The one with the most toys wins
Quote from: Dave Shepard on September 27, 2016, 08:04:21 PM
510? Should have a D-239. Those front mount cabs take some getting used to.
Indeed a 510b! Im trying to find some specs on it and cant seem to find any. Im wondering on oil capacity. I plan to change all fluids tomorrow! Got it off the truck today and moved a big pile of dirt that has been stuck by the mill shed.
That is NICE! Put forks on it and you have a log and lumber handler deluxe!
PC
Did a little work today!
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More to come tomorrow.
Material handling makes a huge difference with any size mill. 8)
X2
I like it when a well thought out plan comes together .
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Rails installed!
Your beams would have been much stronger if you mounted them with the flat up...
Makes it easy to roll logs the way he has it.
I bet it would... If you would drill some holes in the middle you could stick a point
of the cant in and push...
How come didn't just do that out of lumber?
Lumber is good.
Some situations make steel much better. The repeated beating it will take makes steel a much better option for those runs. A neighbor of mine had railroad iron for his log ways to the mill. They never broke.
Those I beams will get so slick that if it wont roll it will probably slide. I like it.
PC
Quote from: paul case on October 01, 2016, 09:01:45 AM
Lumber is good.
Some situations make steel much better. The repeated beating it will take makes steel a much better option for those runs. A neighbor of mine had railroad iron for his log ways to the mill. They never broke.
Those I beams will get so slick that if it wont roll it will probably slide. I like it.
PC
exactly what I was thinking! Plus this is done when I'm finished, no going back and adjusting!
Quote from: Kbeitz on October 01, 2016, 04:30:48 AM
Your beams would have been much stronger if you mounted them with the flat up...
Exactly!
I was thinking that you put the I beams the way that you did so that you could put a chain in the center and have a live log deck
Quote from: 4x4American on October 01, 2016, 06:28:33 PM
I was thinking that you put the I beams the way that you did so that you could put a chain in the center and have a live log deck
That's the plan. Also the main reason they are turned that way. And because they make turning/sliding the logs easy that way. They are supported at 8 foot intervals which is by all means gracious of plenty enough to support a few logs.
Fixed up the roller beds today as well!
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Looking Good, The rollers will make a big difference and your wheel loader with forks can move a lot very fast . I really enjoy watching your progress . Good job !
Finished the log deck for now. Im sure I will modify it over time to make it better. For now its ready to put some logs on!
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The log deck looks nice,good job of bracing.
How do you like the skate rollers?I've never used them for lumber moving but they seem easier to come by than roller conveyors?
give him a minute to use em first lol lol
Quote from: 4x4American on October 05, 2016, 06:39:02 AM
give him a minute to use em first lol lol
Sawed a few on them today! Love them. Effortless rolling!
Anyone have any budget minded ideas for a saw dust blower? I want to get it out of the way. I have a small trailer built that I could use to transport it away from the mill.
Quote from: Wallee on October 11, 2016, 10:53:44 PM
Anyone have any budget minded ideas for a saw dust blower? I want to get it out of the way. I have a small trailer built that I could use to transport it away from the mill.
Cragslist...
For a temporary solution you can use a big landscaper walk behind leaf blower . But you really don't want to be breathing in that much sawdust blown in the air . Going cheap will always cost you in the long run.
So far I have had good luck with a Harbor Freight blower (This is only temporary until i find a better blower) and some flex-able dust collector hose that hangs from a cable the length of my mill shed and rides on some small pulleys I got from the hard ware store. Used a downspout to 4 inch pipe adapter with a hing on it to replace the factory chute from Woodmizer. The only issue I had was fibers plugging up the screens on the blower so I cut them out. Then I ran a length of hose to an old gravity box outside. Seams to be holding up pretty good but you are doing a lot more production then I am a week. I think I have about $200-$300 in it not counting the gravity wagon. Big thing to remember is if you go with PVC pipe or something similar to run a bare copper wire inside as ground for static electric build up.
This was brought up by 4x4 american somewhere lately.
I have a grizzly 2 hp 220v blower from one of their dust collector setups. Pretty durable and reasonable. I wouldnt go smaller for any type of production sawing. 4'' corrugated flexible sewer pipe will work for quite a while for a suction hose or for that matter the exhaust as well. And it is cheap. Comes in 100 ft rolls at your local big box store.
I have ran this kind of set up for 4 years and have never had a problem with static electricity. Some of the red oak lumber I cut right off the mill tests at 48% moisture. I think that is the reason static has not been a problem for me.
I did find a blower on craigslist that happened to be exactly like what I have and I bought it for $100. It is like brand new. Well it was. That was before we used it to catch the dust from sarge's mill for the last 7 months. Still looks like new and runs just as good as new.
PC
Harbor freight dust collector blower and 6 inch metal stove pipe. Couple of short pieces of flex hose where needed. Pics in my gallery and post in the sawmill threads..I just blow it in a pile out in the woods. The only problems I have had is a bad switch on the blower and the flex hose tearing after several years of use. Not much over $200 invested..
A lot of people don't know about this neat little item...
Swivel Ball Joint
Grizzly tools sells it.
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Quote from: pineywoods on October 12, 2016, 09:26:33 AM
Harbor freight dust collector blower and 6 inch metal stove pipe. Couple of short pieces of flex hose where needed. Pics in my gallery and post in the sawmill threads..I just blow it in a pile out in the woods. The only problems I have had is a bad switch on the blower and the flex hose tearing after several years of use. Not much over $200 invested..
Looked at yours in your gallery! I liked how it looked. Did it have enough power to blow it a good ways away from the mill?
Quote from: Wallee on October 12, 2016, 11:21:27 PM
Quote from: pineywoods on October 12, 2016, 09:26:33 AM
Harbor freight dust collector blower and 6 inch metal stove pipe. Couple of short pieces of flex hose where needed. Pics in my gallery and post in the sawmill threads..I just blow it in a pile out in the woods. The only problems I have had is a bad switch on the blower and the flex hose tearing after several years of use. Not much over $200 invested..
Looked at yours in your gallery! I liked how it looked. Did it have enough power to blow it a good ways away from the mill?
Plenty of power. The output side is about 35 feet. I had to put an elbow on the exit end to keep the sawdust in one pile. Otherwise it blows 50 feet or so from the exit end. I left the coarse filter in the inlet to the blower. Sometimes a piece of bark will hang there and plug things up. Better there than plug up the blower impeller...
Piney, did you run some ground wire?
So today I had a logger delivering me a truck of logs and while we was chewing the fat he mentioned that he worked at a pallet mill back yonder and he said that had a elephant trunk pipe coming off the sawdust chute, had some pendulum type weight thing on one end that would pick it up when the headrig went fore or aft, and that it didn't have no blower, just the wind and chips flying from sawing pushed it out and he said it was slicker than the devil wearing velvet britches dipped in a pool of baby oil
Quote from: 69bronco on October 13, 2016, 12:09:08 PM
Piney, did you run some ground wire?
Nope, not needed, the pipe is metal...
Quote from: 4x4American on October 13, 2016, 08:10:27 PM
So today I had a logger he said it was slicker than the devil wearing velvet britches dipped in a pool of baby oil
That is pretty slick!
PC
I would say so! I think that may be slicker than snot on a slip'n'slide, but I'm not 100% sure on that
Dad would always say ''slicker than greased owl dodo''.
pc
Quote from: paul case on October 14, 2016, 08:12:52 PM
Dad would always say ''slicker than greased owl dodo''.
pc
Exactly as my grandpa would describe something!
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Tried my new set up today and I'm loving it so far!
8) 8) 8) Looking great Wallee!
What do you do with the jacket boards?
Quote from: 4x4American on October 14, 2016, 10:45:25 PM
8) 8) 8) Looking great Wallee!
What do you do with the jacket boards?
I have a few lumber buyers. One for all the red/white oak, and another for the mixed species. Mixed usually winds up at covered furniture folks. I have a poplar buyer coming out to grade some logs and possibly start sawing for come Monday. Keep your fingers crossed for me in that one, I hope to develop a good working relationship with that company as well!
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Got a sharpener yesterday! Sharpened my first lad today! Problem is I don't know how much set to run in my 9 degree blades... can't find it anywhere online either. I set my caliper today and they are all reading .020 to .022
What should it be? Tried cutting with it and it ran uphill in first 5 inches. So I figured the set was out?
Those 9 degree blades are useless anyways, IMO, scrap em! I usually target .024". Set gets blamed for things it didn't do alot of the times. First, make sure it's charp...make sure all the teeth are evenly sharpened too. But check the blade on the mill, put it up to tension and spin it around if you care to seat it. Then take you a brandy new razor and set it across the blade, in the gullet, and shine a light. If there is a crown, there's your problem. You want it to be flat or a slight dish. I'm not farmiliar with that sharpener, so I can't offer anything there
I do not resharpen and set, but the 9° blade was not the problem. Yes it has a shallower gullet, but I assume that you have been using 9° because you obviously ordered a 9° grinding wheel.
Go back to square one and verify that every tooth both left and right were set properly.
Quote from: Magicman on October 22, 2016, 11:10:26 PM
I do not resharpen and set, but the 9° blade was not the problem. Yes it has a shallower gullet, but I assume that you have been using 9° because you obviously ordered a 9° grinding wheel.
Go back to square one and verify that every tooth both left and right were set properly.
that's the thing I'm doing tomorrow evening. I checked them at the above mentioned specs. Didn't know how much to put and left them at that. From further investigation tonight, I'm thinking I need to put the blade back on the setter and go over them all at around .025 hopefully this will solve it. On a side note... I noticed when my last band came off the mill, the last cant seemed to have a slight arch in the center at the end of the cut. Blade had to be raised 3/16 to clear. Causes?
dull blade
I've cut with a blade set at .012" before for frozen. I sawed with one at .015" the other day, I do notice that it leaves me a dish on the cant when I have too little set. Maybe it would rise if you pushed the raker teeth all to one side..
Just a suggestion but aren't cinder blocks supposed to be turned "holes up" to be stronger.
How do you like your skate rollers. I was looking to to the same.
Yes,turned up to be stronger,but down down flat so they don't sink down into the ground.
I built a Women Cave the same way. Blocks about every 3 feet,no footing,just blocks. Not like 10,000 pounds is going to be on each one.
Quote from: dean herring on October 23, 2016, 09:03:14 AM
Just a suggestion but aren't cinder blocks supposed to be turned "holes up" to be stronger.
How do you like your skate rollers. I was looking to to the same.
Here in Pa if you put the holes up and don't fill the holes or cover them
They will freeze brake.
Long story short. Set was out. Fixed it and have sawed a bunch. Sharpened it again and still going strong!
Anyone ever looked at baker bandmills? The 3638g seems to have a lot going for it at its price point.
So you went looking at Baker Sawmills and then never heard from again ?
How about an update here?
How is the tie selling going in your area? I hear some smaller mills are cut off from selling ties on your side of the big river.
Are you still able to keep logs coming in?
PC